Cancer lady, firstly
Moderator: SadLuckDame
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Went to the theaters last night at the midnight showing for Alice in Wonderland.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
- stilltrucking
- Posts: 20646
- Joined: October 24th, 2004, 12:29 pm
- Location: Oz or somepLace like Kansas
I would like to see that.
Read an interesting review of it.
Read an interesting review of it.
Algebra in Wonderland
By MELANIE BAYLEY
Published: March 6, 2010
Oxford, England
SINCE “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland” was published, in 1865, scholars have noted how its characters are based on real people in the life of its author, Charles Dodgson, who wrote under the name Lewis Carroll. Alice is Alice Pleasance Liddell, the daughter of an Oxford dean; the Lory and Eaglet are Alice’s sisters Lorina and Edith; Dodgson himself, a stutterer, is the Dodo (“Do-Do-Dodgson”).
But Alice’s adventures with the Caterpillar, the Mad Hatter, the Cheshire Cat and so on have often been assumed to be based purely on wild imagination. Just fantastical tales for children — and, as such, ideal material for the fanciful movie director Tim Burton, whose “Alice in Wonderland” opened on Friday.
Yet Dodgson most likely had real models for the strange happenings in Wonderland, too. He was a tutor in mathematics at Christ Church, Oxford, and Alice’s search for a beautiful garden can be neatly interpreted as a mishmash of satire directed at the advances taking place in Dodgson’s field.
In the mid-19th century, mathematics was rapidly blossoming into what it is today: a finely honed language for describing the conceptual relations between things. Dodgson found the radical new math illogical and lacking in intellectual rigor. In “Alice,” he attacked some of the new ideas as nonsense — using a technique familiar from Euclid’s proofs, reductio ad absurdum, where the validity of an idea is tested by taking its premises to their logical extreme.
Early in the story, for instance, Alice’s exchange with the Caterpillar parodies the first purely symbolic system of algebra, proposed in the mid-19th century by Augustus De Morgan, a London math professor. De Morgan had proposed a more modern approach to algebra, which held that any procedure was valid as long as it followed an internal logic. This allowed for results like the square root of a negative number, which even De Morgan himself called “unintelligible” and “absurd” (because all numbers when squared give positive results).
The word “algebra,” De Morgan said in one of his footnotes, comes from an Arabic phrase he transliterated as “al jebr e al mokabala,” meaning restoration and reduction. He explained that even though algebra had been reduced to a seemingly absurd but logical set of operations, eventually some sort of meaning would be restored.
Such loose mathematical reasoning would have riled a punctilious logician like Dodgson. And so, the Caterpillar is sitting on a mushroom and smoking a hookah — suggesting that something has mushroomed up from nowhere, and is dulling the thoughts of its followers — and Alice is subjected to a monstrous form of “al jebr e al mokabala.” She first tries to “restore” herself to her original (larger) size, but ends up “reducing” so rapidly that her chin hits her foot.
Alice has slid down from a world governed by the logic of universal arithmetic to one where her size can vary from nine feet to three inches. She thinks this is the root of her problem: “Being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.” No, it isn’t, replies the Caterpillar, who comes from the mad world of symbolic algebra. He advises Alice to “Keep your temper.”
In Dodgson’s day, intellectuals still understood “temper” to mean the proportions in which qualities were mixed — as in “tempered steel” — so the Caterpillar is telling Alice not to avoid getting angry but to stay in proportion, even if she can’t “keep the same size for 10 minutes together!” Proportion, rather than absolute length, was what mattered in Alice’s above-ground world of Euclidean geometry.
In an algebraic world, of course, this isn’t easy. Alice eats a bit of mushroom and her neck elongates like a serpent, annoying a nesting pigeon. Eventually, though, she finds a way to nibble herself down to nine inches, and enters a little house where she finds the Duchess, her baby, the Cook and the Cheshire Cat.
Chapter 6, “Pig and Pepper,” parodies the principle of continuity, a bizarre concept from projective geometry, which was introduced in the mid-19th century from France. This principle (now an important aspect of modern topology) involves the idea that one shape can bend and stretch into another, provided it retains the same basic properties — a circle is the same as an ellipse or a parabola (the curve of the Cheshire cat’s grin).
Taking the notion to its extreme, what works for a circle should also work for a baby. So, when Alice takes the Duchess’s baby outside, it turns into a pig. The Cheshire Cat says, “I thought it would.”
The Cheshire Cat provides the voice of traditional geometric logic — say where you want to go if you want to find out how to get there, he tells Alice after she’s let the pig run off into the wood. He points Alice toward the Mad Hatter and the March Hare. “Visit either you like,” he says, “they’re both mad.”
The Mad Hatter and the March Hare champion the mathematics of William Rowan Hamilton, one of the great innovators in Victorian algebra. Hamilton decided that manipulations of numbers like adding and subtracting should be thought of as steps in what he called “pure time.” This was a Kantian notion that had more to do with sequence than with real time, and it seems to have captivated Dodgson. In the title of Chapter 7, “A Mad Tea-Party,” we should read tea-party as t-party, with t being the mathematical symbol for time.
Dodgson has the Hatter, the Hare and the Dormouse stuck going round and round the tea table to reflect the way in which Hamilton used what he called quaternions — a number system based on four terms. In the 1860s, quaternions were hailed as the last great step in calculating motion. Even Dodgson may have considered them an ingenious tool for advanced mathematicians, though he would have thought them maddeningly confusing for the likes of Alice (and perhaps for many of his math students).
At the mad tea party, time is the absent fourth presence at the table. The Hatter tells Alice that he quarreled with Time last March, and now “he won’t do a thing I ask.” So the Hatter, the Hare and the Dormouse (the third “term”) are forced to rotate forever in a plane around the tea table.
When Alice leaves the tea partiers, they are trying to stuff the Dormouse into the teapot so they can exist as an independent pair of numbers — complex, still mad, but at least free to leave the party.
Alice will go on to meet the Queen of Hearts, a “blind and aimless Fury,” who probably represents an irrational number. (Her keenness to execute everyone comes from a ghastly pun on axes — the plural of axis on a graph.)
How do we know for sure that “Alice” was making fun of the new math? The author never explained the symbolism in his story. But Dodgson rarely wrote amusing nonsense for children: his best humor was directed at adults. In addition to the “Alice” stories, he produced two hilarious pamphlets for colleagues, both in the style of mathematical papers, ridiculing life at Oxford.
Without math, “Alice” might have been more like Dodgson’s later book, “Sylvie and Bruno” — a dull and sentimental fairy tale. Math gave “Alice” a darker side, and made it the kind of puzzle that could entertain people of every age, for centuries.
Melanie Bayley is a doctoral candidate in English literature at Oxford.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/opinion/07bayley.html
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
I thought Alice made quite a lot of sense, always did think so, but I'm not much at math...and what I did know of it has been lost to no use, which is a shame. This is the best article I've read yet, and I appreciate it. Thanks u...
I don't know where my day went.
I don't know where my day went.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Anyway, this dame isn't for most, I'm not even at all very acceptable, she's set aside for it. I'm here, for time and it's about an interaction or an involved coffee situation, it's quite private and exclusive, probably she's too narrow minded, but that's because it's the only way when she's so intimate and to streak means a comfortable environment.
I'll prolly erase all this, cause it's an abundance of ego.
I'll prolly erase all this, cause it's an abundance of ego.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- stilltrucking
- Posts: 20646
- Joined: October 24th, 2004, 12:29 pm
- Location: Oz or somepLace like Kansas
erase away dame
it is all ego
Lisening to
reading the lyrics to
Verdi Cries
all memories
of the future will have been
When Nietzsche Wept
when Freud howled at the moon
just the only game in town
for me
I got to get out my door and look around
windows open for two days now
them southern pacific freight trains runs right though my living room.
the sound of temple bells
I hear one coming now way off the notes of a locomotive saxophone listening feeling the vibrations of a loaded train, you can tell it is loaded, no squeaky shrill sound of steel wheels on steel. just a satisfying deep rumble like elephant talk.
I turned into a bubble boy
got get the dough together for insurance for my motorcycle
I keep giving all my money away.
I be passing over
just passing through
just a figment of my vanity
a gaucho of a chicas mind.
I am for everyone
but not all for me
some women deal with stinkers like me better than others
you know what I mean?
kind of
like a bogey and bacall movie about a guy named Steve.
it is all ego
Lisening to
reading the lyrics to
Verdi Cries
all memories
of the future will have been
When Nietzsche Wept
when Freud howled at the moon
just the only game in town
for me
I got to get out my door and look around
windows open for two days now
them southern pacific freight trains runs right though my living room.
the sound of temple bells
I hear one coming now way off the notes of a locomotive saxophone listening feeling the vibrations of a loaded train, you can tell it is loaded, no squeaky shrill sound of steel wheels on steel. just a satisfying deep rumble like elephant talk.
I turned into a bubble boy
got get the dough together for insurance for my motorcycle
I keep giving all my money away.
I be passing over
just passing through
just a figment of my vanity
a gaucho of a chicas mind.
I am for everyone
but not all for me
some women deal with stinkers like me better than others
you know what I mean?
kind of
like a bogey and bacall movie about a guy named Steve.
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Me too, was reading over the lyrics on Verdi Cries last night.
I miss the sound of trains, it's drowned out here and they don't try to make a sound when going through, must be they think this town's not much for trains, but I miss the beast on track.
Didn't have internet on till later evening yesterday, so I've jotted down a lot of notes.
The Bogie and Bacall movies, that's one I wanted to pop the link up on. Thanks Jack, I'll be back.
I miss the sound of trains, it's drowned out here and they don't try to make a sound when going through, must be they think this town's not much for trains, but I miss the beast on track.
Didn't have internet on till later evening yesterday, so I've jotted down a lot of notes.
The Bogie and Bacall movies, that's one I wanted to pop the link up on. Thanks Jack, I'll be back.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Was thinking about my father after you'd mentioned yours.
Men are so unusual, very much so when trying to figure them out or whathaveyous. Oh! man, mine a bear! both aggressive, hunting, and gentle like with protecting. I don't know if he got depressed or sad, he just left for awhile if he got mad with my Mom, never saw the back and forth. Only saw him broken hearted from me and my rebellions, my pull away and break to breathe, but it was his pain, I s'pose. I saw it then only.
I'm relieved I wasn't born a man; I'd not want to confuse all the beautiful women or sumpin' odd for a thought. But, he was a comfort during times I needed truth, not for wishy washy, which was female. A man with callous hands and an eye to eye conversation, "look at me and tell me..."I could talk this subject for hours, as you know.
Men are so unusual, very much so when trying to figure them out or whathaveyous. Oh! man, mine a bear! both aggressive, hunting, and gentle like with protecting. I don't know if he got depressed or sad, he just left for awhile if he got mad with my Mom, never saw the back and forth. Only saw him broken hearted from me and my rebellions, my pull away and break to breathe, but it was his pain, I s'pose. I saw it then only.
I'm relieved I wasn't born a man; I'd not want to confuse all the beautiful women or sumpin' odd for a thought. But, he was a comfort during times I needed truth, not for wishy washy, which was female. A man with callous hands and an eye to eye conversation, "look at me and tell me..."I could talk this subject for hours, as you know.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Urgh, I'm a fluster.
This week has been an exhaustion, a lot at work and then I come home to crash. Similar as before, I fall asleep so quickly and I've no dream life to mention. I'm feeling every bit older today than then. Need to set myself up for relief, stocked up on movies, gonna catch up on reading, need a wine boozing, candle-lit weekend alone with myself to be healthy.
This week has been an exhaustion, a lot at work and then I come home to crash. Similar as before, I fall asleep so quickly and I've no dream life to mention. I'm feeling every bit older today than then. Need to set myself up for relief, stocked up on movies, gonna catch up on reading, need a wine boozing, candle-lit weekend alone with myself to be healthy.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
A bit of notes in random order I've been keeping for two days...
first a quote from Henry James I liked,
my hair an invitation to be pulled upon and tangled to knot about the knuckles, around the fingers, which is why I've gone daily in braids to keep it tightly binded and bound. You'll not have me in handfuls, if you'll have me it'll be my full length!
on constancy and being fully involved with her perception and completely in the care of diversions or more than likely at her indulgence. Adding "Sir, she's very present; completely, if I can be so forward. You'll be surely aware, since she's soon to stir. I'd say always conversations in the garden, for you'll be able to place clover in her hands." --after reading some more Wings of the Dove
on snow melting on all lawns except that one. And hers in it's frozen case, cicled pangs and white garden. She's to peer out, always at the neighbors sun-lit yards. This being first thoughts as of my latest walk, but I really wanted to create a story of it. Anyway, need T. A girl once with an abundance, so much so that it left me bored to tears.
Wait and thoughts on madness! I've probably led to believe most think I am, but that's just what I perceive the population making first impressions or second of me would conclude. But I lean towards how well adjusted I've blossomed to. I've not always been so, of course, but I do think I've achieved a great deal of healing and healthy choices as of my recent freedom. Mostly I feel stronger than I have in prolly ten years, except I slip up occasionally in the optimistic mind-set (if I can call it such).
But, if I perceive their first impression is I've got a bottle of madness, then truly it must be my own thoughts on my own reflection of myself as to what I must look like, so it's only merely my own thoughts after-all. I shouldn't think what anyone might be thinking for I'd only be thinking what I'm thinking instead. It accomplishes very little in knowing people besides myself on first chance.
Ha! I'm caught up in that labyrinth Jack was talking about.
first a quote from Henry James I liked,
Have notes on braids--"If she had had such deep pockets!"
my hair an invitation to be pulled upon and tangled to knot about the knuckles, around the fingers, which is why I've gone daily in braids to keep it tightly binded and bound. You'll not have me in handfuls, if you'll have me it'll be my full length!
on constancy and being fully involved with her perception and completely in the care of diversions or more than likely at her indulgence. Adding "Sir, she's very present; completely, if I can be so forward. You'll be surely aware, since she's soon to stir. I'd say always conversations in the garden, for you'll be able to place clover in her hands." --after reading some more Wings of the Dove
on snow melting on all lawns except that one. And hers in it's frozen case, cicled pangs and white garden. She's to peer out, always at the neighbors sun-lit yards. This being first thoughts as of my latest walk, but I really wanted to create a story of it. Anyway, need T. A girl once with an abundance, so much so that it left me bored to tears.
Wait and thoughts on madness! I've probably led to believe most think I am, but that's just what I perceive the population making first impressions or second of me would conclude. But I lean towards how well adjusted I've blossomed to. I've not always been so, of course, but I do think I've achieved a great deal of healing and healthy choices as of my recent freedom. Mostly I feel stronger than I have in prolly ten years, except I slip up occasionally in the optimistic mind-set (if I can call it such).
But, if I perceive their first impression is I've got a bottle of madness, then truly it must be my own thoughts on my own reflection of myself as to what I must look like, so it's only merely my own thoughts after-all. I shouldn't think what anyone might be thinking for I'd only be thinking what I'm thinking instead. It accomplishes very little in knowing people besides myself on first chance.
Ha! I'm caught up in that labyrinth Jack was talking about.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
You don't have to like it and she put up a fist,
calling it growing up child like.
calling it growing up child like.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
I'm sorries if I scared you.
Listening to my son play some Beatles tunes. Children learn 75% of what they'll know by age 5 or 6.
Listening to my son play some Beatles tunes. Children learn 75% of what they'll know by age 5 or 6.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
And just so you know, I know it's you and you know I know too. Smart Alec or brat or what-else and other.
`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
- stilltrucking
- Posts: 20646
- Joined: October 24th, 2004, 12:29 pm
- Location: Oz or somepLace like Kansas
- SadLuckDame
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: September 17th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Jack, I'm to be shy and hiding behind my sister's back then for more years? I worry she may not like it much. 

`Do you know, I was so angry, Kitty,' Alice went on...`when I saw all the mischief you had been doing, I was very nearly opening the window, and putting you out into the snow! And you'd have deserved it, you
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
little mischievous darling!
~Lewis Carroll
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest