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Re: History is a Solution, Reprise

Post by Steve Plonk » October 12th, 2013, 5:45 pm

Listen to the voice of the "Kingfish": Huey Long in the 1930s...See link on Youtube.
"Share the Wealth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k

I think our modern "Kingfish" is former President Bill Clinton. See his guest appearance on
David Letterman on Sept. 23, 2013...Listen to great solutions about clean water, using good influence, etc. 8) See link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ju_QQomjE

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Re: History is a Solution, Part 2

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Postby Steve Plonk » May 28th, 2011, 11:18 pm
History is a solution...just read the Constitution: 8)
“ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”


Interesting... huh?!
So get a little copy of the U. S. Constitution and crack it, like I did...You are in
for some funnery. Get with the printed word...Teach yourself the legacy
of the government our founding fathers & mothers left us with. We have
a document handed down in its original form for more than 200 years.
It is worth reading...All our government's laws use it in addition to "English Common Law". More folks should read the Constitution...Before you dump
all over our history, find out the wealth and stories it contains...

I am tired of "rubes and goobs" spouting mess--having never read about the actual times and stories of what happened... Then we have to vote them out again and elect someone intelligent...We were one of the last large powers of
the world to get a "social security system". Medicare and Medicaid were
approved with the sweat and toil of our fathers & grandfathers who really
benefitted from it. We will all be older someday and need to benefit from
our labors. We need to keep the system solvent and the way to do it is
to raise payroll taxes periodically. "You don't get free food unless you rob cheese from a mousetrap..." goes an eastern european saying.

So, you see what I am getting at--if you are not some sort of "rube or goob". Social Security,etc. is money hard-earned and you will need it in the future. So, for goodness sakes, don't vote for idiots who won't safeguard the future security of our social security, medicare, & medicaid system. Remember what they do and vote progressive in 2012. Nine times out of ten, that means
vote Democratic. There are a few good independents out there. One is
named Barney Frank.

There is no sense in negating decades of history
because of some GOP stock market whims. Social Security should NEVER
be backed up by the stock market. You see what may happen in the stock
market since 2007, especially... Our taxes go for great things. There is no
such thing as "sovereign citizenship". All of us must pay taxes for the support
of the government. We obey the laws of the land. We protest the laws we
don't like and get them changed. We tough it out and pay our taxes like good citizens. That is patriotism, in a simple way, when we pay our fair share.

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby jimboloco » June 1st, 2011, 12:03 am
I am older right now
sliding down a decline
on social security and food stamps
can't get unemployment
never got it
in exile from my profession
depressed
on government health care from the veterans administration
and reading about Islam
like Benjamin Franklin, Jefferson, Adams

On The Last Word a junior high school student
offered to debate Michele Bachman on
US history, the constitution

Bachman was in New Hampshire
she said that the revolution started there in Concord

No, Concord, New Hampshire is where I bent my Air Farce wings and tossed them down before a large antiwar protest crowd, from the capital building balcony

then we all sat in the hallway
then we all sat in the chambers
voted to stop the war in Vietnam
and to legalize marijuana

now I don't smoke it
my diseased brain
the war lives on inside me
depressed and insane

I can not believe Palin
schmaltzing with the Rolling Thunder bikers on Memorial Day
the commander said that she was not endorsed by them
she just breezed by for a pretty face photo op
and she knows how to stick out her chest, too

she has no idea about the greif some of those guys went thru

i live in a vacuum

i dream of sarah

i once heard a bostonian say at the last republican convention,
"I'd make out with a Republican, but I'd never vote for one!"
i'm on a survival mission
yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om

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Postby Steve Plonk » June 7th, 2011, 11:09 pm
Jimboloco, we continue to require more bumptious Democrats to keep up
the pressure to vote these t-party rubes & goobs back out. Time to take
out the trash.

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Postby short timer » June 8th, 2011, 2:06 pm
I dream of Sarah's pubis
such erotic thoughts I suppress when I see her picture, loathing and desire do conflict.
and contra dick
:wink: :)
I hardly ever have erotic dreams anymore but I am not complaining cause if not for dreams I would not have any love life at all. I wonder if I can get a chip for not jacking off for the past nine months? the longest time in since my first hand job when I was just a little jackster of two or three

are you mad at me jimbo
I am trying to take your back
in my own crazy jack way

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Postby stilltrucking » June 10th, 2011, 7:52 am
in a room where pundits come and go
speaking of Michelangelo
and being on the right side of history

Sarah say, "I know my history."

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Postby Steve Plonk » June 10th, 2011, 12:13 pm
Still Truckin', Mighty tasty and funny posted cartoon on Sarah Palin's "history".
History may be twisted into "bizarro world" in the eyes of the beholder...HA! :roll: But there is "hope". I'm a glass half-full kind of guy... 8)

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Postby Steve Plonk » October 3rd, 2011, 1:24 pm
Those rubes and "pridefully ignorant" folks who ignore history and continue with
supply side voodoo economics should have their noses rubbed in mess...
We should dump the "honey wagon" on half of Congress! Hoo Hah! :mrgreen:

We must tax the rich to get some of that "pay dirt" to pay down the national debt and get us closer to black ink for a change...Soak the freaking rich!

Folks especially around these parts are woefully prideful in their ignorance of
the fact that taxing provides jobs. We need to pay attention and get the
President's Jobs bill passed. Once again, social security and medicaid/medicare
should be left alone and be paid for by increased payroll taxes. The rich should
pay their fair share of taxes. Eventually, all folks will need to pay more graduated income taxes...not a popular idea but an idea for the longterm future of OUR entitlements.

It is OUR retirement money and benefits they are talking
about cutting. The rich should pay into it also. Cutting down to the bare bones
in social services is NOT the way to get the economy jump started. Old folks
live on a fixed income and haven't had a cost of living increase in years.

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby mnaz » January 22nd, 2012, 6:44 pm
the constitution is all well and good-- except when it gets in the way of big business, especially the oil and war and "security" industries-- and then it is to be ignored when deemed necessary.

and yes, it can be said that history "instructs" us. the problem is that it also indoctrinates us. how valuable is a long history of near-continual covert and overt foreign war, for example? even our national anthem is about war . . .

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Postby Steve Plonk » January 25th, 2012, 12:31 am
Our national anthem is mainly about HOPE. When Francis Scott Key wrote it,
the War of 1812 had not been decided. It ended in a draw...We got generous
terms in the treaty which ended that war.

After that war, there began an "era of good feeling" under President Monroe.
We started repairing relations with Great Britain and eventually our countries
became friends & allies. We established our new "sphere of influence" in the
Americas which has continued to this day. 8)

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Postby mnaz » January 26th, 2012, 5:36 pm
yes, "sphere of influence." we've certainly done that. (part of the problem i'm talking about).

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Postby Steve Plonk » January 26th, 2012, 6:25 pm
Mnaz, What is wrong with our country looking after our hemispheric & national interests? Sure, our country has made blunders, etc. Is it the way we do it, which is the "problem"? Speak to me, my friend, clue me in...

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Postby mnaz » January 26th, 2012, 6:59 pm
steve, the problem is that it has been too exploitative-- such as overthrowing democratically-elected governments in iran (1953) and chile (1973) for example. i'd prefer not to go into a long-winded explanation here, but my "humanitarian imperialism" thread (re: chomsky's article) covers these problems pretty well.

some folks have a tendency to view all of our warring and covert cia aggression between 1950-1990 as justifiable because of the cold war, and i suppose there's some truth in this (especially between 1950-1962ish), but i think we've taken things way too far at times. and our behavior arguably has not improved much even after "winning" the cold war. anyway-- my basic take on it ...

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Postby Steve Plonk » January 27th, 2012, 10:10 am
Yeah, Mnaz, I see what you mean, on Chile, and I remember the several Nicaragua interventions--most recently by Reagan. But, I think here lately, that we've learned from history--at least in South America--and are improving.

Venezuela is becoming quite militant lately, but we have good relations with
Brazil, at least so far. Even relations with Argentina have improved-- as their
government has moderated. In Central America, I think our relations have
gotten better also--especially in Costa Rica. Cuba has even cooperated
with some of our efforts on the terrorist situation...

The Iraq War was a blunder, in my opinion, but that is not in the Western Hemisphere. Our problems with Iran are ongoing, but they have been enemies since at least 1979... Also, not in our hemisphere. That would be another thread discussion. We'll try to get into that later...

In recent history, the U. S. has done many drug interdiction programs with Mexico, Columbia & Peru. I think those have gone well for the most part... Except for the gun running problems...Yeah, It's a mixed bag...I am optimistic, at least about most of this hemisphere. We need to somehow get improved relations with Venezuela...

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Postby mnaz » January 27th, 2012, 2:24 pm
but how can you just pick and choose hemispheres? it's all part of our foreign policy, and it's (primarily) our military or para-military / special ops in each case.

and listen to your language here-- "venezuela is militant." "iran is our enemy." as chomsky's article astutely notes, in almost every case you'll find find that these "militant enemies" are nations that "won't play ball" with our corporate juggernaut of a government. big oil cannot stand socialistic governments with any hint of a nationalized oil industry (venezuela, iraq, iran, in '53), or a semi-nationalized oil industry with fees tacked onto oil leases (libya).

and this constant vilification of iran . . . iran hasn't attacked anyone (with its military) in over a century. we overthrew their government for godssake, and installed a capitalist-crony autocrat (shah) with a ruthless secret police force, and more recently we invaded the country on either side of of iran. of course relations are going to be frosty, and radicals given fuel for their fire.

and perhaps we are "improving" in south (and central) america-- it would be hard to do much worse than the reagon and bush eras. but don't forget-- there is some evidence that the u.s. participated in a 2002 coup attempt in venezuela, so the ambitions at least remain the same, or similar to the past.

bigger picture, man. bigger picture . . .

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Postby Steve Plonk » January 27th, 2012, 3:58 pm
Mnaz, Remember Iran & Iraq fought a war in the nineteen eighties? The U.S. was on the side of Iraq...Also, see the clip on youtube forum: "Mr. Peabody's History..."

Iran now has "designs" to interfere with Iraqi politics much the way we do...
No, even though we deposed the Iranian elected government way back when,
Iran is not blameless in the way they have behaved in recent times...
Iran is one of the few countries on the side of the Syrian regime... I ceased
feeling sorry for Iran back in 1979. No country should be allowed to block
the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf. Many countries, including Japan & China depend on the oil in the Persian Gulf region. So, which country is the
aggressor today?

I'm with President Obama on the above situation. We may still be able to solve the possible problem of the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz peacefully. The Iranians are feeling the pinch of sanctions in regard to development of nuclear arms. Something is going to have to give in order for us to have a long sought for peace in that region...

In addition, if that is not enough, Iran has been an "enemy" of Israel for years.
Our country is a friend of Israel... Another stumbling block to peace...
I hope all this is just saber rattling. We can ill afford another war in the
Middle East or in South Asia...

Within the past weeks our country has rescued Iranians stranded on fishing vessels in the Persian Gulf. We haven't taken Iranians prisoners like they have our citizens. Some of our citizens have been released while others are still captives. The holding of our citizens, by Iran, without legal provocation, is just not right.

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Postby mnaz » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:02 pm

Steve Plonk wrote:
Mnaz, Remember Iran & Iraq fought a war in the nineteen eighties? The U.S. was on the side of Iraq...Also, see the clip on youtube forum: "Mr. Peabody's History..."


despicable actions by the reagan admin., in my opinion. and more reasons for relations to be frosty.
No, even though we deposed the Iranian elected government way back when, Iran is not blameless in the way they have behaved in recent times . . .
I'm with President Obama on the above situation. We may still be able to solve the possible problem of the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz peacefully. The Iranians are feeling the pinch of sanctions in regard to development of nuclear arms.


wrong. there is no nuke weapons program. even secretary panetta says so, despite clinton's misstatements. and why don't we worry about our own behavior before we point fingers at others? iran is responding to the sanctions, which are not u.n.-mandated and frankly illegal in my opinion.

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:32 am

Mnaz, you totally glossed over my statements about Iran holding American citizens who stray into or legally visit their territory. However, to repeat, we have rescued Iranians who've been stranded into our shipping lanes. No Iranian has been taken prisoner because they happened to be stranded... I think that
is positive behavior on the part of our people...You also glossed over the
fact that Iran is supporting Syria's regime.

I do not recall Panetta saying anything like what you said... Our sanctions
are perfectly legal and Iran deserves to BE SANCTIONED. So, I guess, we'll
have to agree to disagree on this matter. Iran has a dangerous and radical
regime... The Obama administration has tried very hard to "get a foot in the door " to negotiate with Iran. Our administration is still working on it...

I suppose you admire the Egyptian junta, also...Speak to me, my friend...

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Postby mnaz » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:01 pm

if you are going to simply repeat what you can hear on FAUX "News" on any day of the week, then there's not much to talk about. and i mean that with no ill will-- just how i see it.

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:58 pm

Mnaz, Sorry about that, but I don't even watch Fox News...nor CNN. :?
You DO know that I'm a Democrat...It's like saying to you: Are you voting in the republican primary or something? ...Let's keep it light from now on... :lol:

My next topic will be the history of "satire" in literature...Does anyone know when satire started? I think satirical poetry was started by "the Goliards"
during the tail end of the Middle Ages. I remember reading "Gargantua & Pantagruel", by Rabelais, way back when---that's what got me started. Speak to me, friends...I know the ancients did satire, but I am talking about the more
modern beginnings. I understand that satire may help change attitudes...

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Postby Steve Plonk » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:42 pm

It seems that no one wants to engage the subject of satire, et al, through
the ages, so I am trolling for readers on the original subject...Folks of Wisconsin weren't smart enough to vote OUT Governor Walker. He's a union busting SOB, and deserved to be recalled. :P We'll see what the lessons
of history are this year...Too bad & so sad...Hey, wake up you faithless generation of Wisconsin rubes! :mrgreen: Doc Hunter Thompson is dead & gone, but I'm assuming his mantle. Fly A-P Airlines... No shot gun shells for me...
I'll fight until there is no more breath in me! :x :o

I hope we can vote out this turkey of a republican governor we've got down
here in Tennessee. Is it possible in 2013? A recall?...Any Tennesseans out here?
Speak to me, Oh lips that never lie...Any other die-hard Democrats out there?
What? Only republican hacks & union busting scabs? :wink: Come on, people, wake up to the lessons of history...

People were fed up in France and elected another socialist...Raise taxes on the rich! Level the playing field for the middle class & the poor! We one percent need to be heard! "A penny for the old Guy..." Hey, folks, you don't want to have to listen to Romney's "republican hack machine" :P Vote Democratic! :)

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Postby Steve Plonk » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:38 pm

A flurry of posts for my Democratic hosts, who stint so nicely, so I lampoon
precisely...Snap back with Barack from the republican headaches
& voodoo economic posturing. Folkses, there ain't no free lunch. The rich
must be taxed. 8) Re-elect that wonderful "soul brother" President! :D

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” Commenting on the national condition, Paulsen observed: “I don’t subscribe to all the talk about a credibility gap. It’s a rumor without basis in fact. The only time you have a credibility gap is when you don’t know whether or not the government is lying. Obviously we don’t have this problem because there is no longer any room for doubt.”

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:25 pm
Pretty good quote, for a dead comedian...Yeah, I remember Pat Paulsen. He was a hoot! :lol:

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Postby stilltrucking » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:11 pm
I may vote for George G. Papoon. He has a program I can believe in. :)

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:33 pm

Well, we know from your own admission, Still Trucking, that you supposedly voted
for Obama as "the lesser of the two evils". :) Writing in Papoon would be like writing in a cartoon. :lol:

OBAMA BRINGS US FORWARD... THE MAN WITH A PLAN. ( I WAS ALSO SIDIN' WITH BIDEN.) MORE POWER TO THE GREAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY & SPECIFICALLY TO OUR GOOD OLD USA. In my humble opinion, Obama & Biden are the best men for the job. History is on our side at this particular moment in time. 8)

The people have spoken & they chose Obama & Biden. Now, apparently, the
popular vote for them has gone up officially to around 51%. On the first week
of January 2013, the electoral college will meet & Obama & Biden will be officially
re-elected for four more years. I like the electoral college... I think it gives the
smaller states a say-so in the electoral process. 8)

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Postby Steve Plonk » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:35 pm

America & the union then, America & the union now, America & the union forever! 8)
Round up the "sovereign citizens", secessionists, terrorists & other assorted traitors,
try them, & put them in jail. :x :P

I am tired of reading about gun thugs & wingnut militias trying to revolt & destroy the motherland. :roll: We are the majority & we will prevail by the rule of law. Those who live
by the sword, will die by the sword. :x Off the bollocks & up the Democratic Revolution. :mrgreen: Oh hell, yeah.

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Postby Atehequa » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:29 am

Steve Plonk wrote:
America & the union then, America & the union now, America & the union forever! 8)
Round up the "sovereign citizens", secessionists, terrorists & other assorted traitors,
try them, & put them in jail. :x :P

I am tired of reading about gun thugs & wingnut militias trying to revolt & destroy the motherland. :roll:


Motherland ? :roll: Is that what you guys called this land back in 1491 ?

Sovereign citizens ? Like the sovereign nations of NDNs ? Are you going to have us rounded up and removed from our homes or reservations and put in prison ?

Gee Steve, does that make my family and I criminals in your eyes ?

Your statement kind of smacks of the creepy if not scary.
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Postby Steve Plonk » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:01 pm

Atehequa, Sorry you really misunderstood that one. :( "Sovereign Citizens" are white people or secessionists who refuse to pay their taxes & claim autonomy from any law of the land.
They try to set up their own courts with militias & are wingnuts which are on the government watch list. :roll:

I absolutely did NOT mean NGOs, nor NDNs & legitimate organizations recognized by the USA or the United Nations.

Atehequa said...
Like the sovereign nations of NDNs ? Are you going to have us rounded up and removed from our homes or reservations and put in prison ?

To repeat, Absolutely not!

Amerindians, as you know, have a special status if they reside on the reservations, etc.
I guess you are unfamiliar with that nuance of the term "sovereign citizen". These people
I'm talking about even make counterfeit currency... :roll: I certainly was not trying to
offend. I am quite aware of Amerindian autonomy, etc.

Amerindians are citizens & patriots in our country & in their own sacred places.
I respect our mutual heritage...

I wish you wouldn't "rub my nose" in the years 1491-2. Columbus is not my favorite explorer either.
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Postby stilltrucking » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:21 pm

Yes I admit it I voted for the nigger. :wink:
But I was not going to vote till I found out that the bear voted for the honky.


What I can't figure out are the warriors, why did they fight for this United States of America?
My father's war I heard that they enlisted to get their citizenship.

Call him drunken Ira Hays he won't answer anymore
not the whiskey drinking indian or the marine who went to war

I used to try and sing that song on the cb in the early morning quiet going across the big rez.

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Postby Atehequa » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:16 pm

Steve Plonk wrote:
Atehequa, Sorry you really misunderstood that one. :( "Sovereign Citizens" are white people or secessionists who refuse to pay their taxes & claim autonomy from any law of the land.
They try to set up their own courts with militias & are wingnuts which are on the government watch list. :roll:

I absolutely did NOT mean NGOs, nor NDNs & legitimate organizations recognized by the USA or the United Nations.

Atehequa said...Like the sovereign nations of NDNs ? Are you going to have us rounded up and removed from our homes or reservations and put in prison ?


To repeat, Absolutely not!

Amerindians, as you know, have a special status if they reside on the reservations, etc.
I guess you are unfamiliar with that nuance of the term "sovereign citizen". These people
I'm talking about even make counterfeit currency... :roll: I certainly was not trying to
offend. I am quite aware of Amerindian autonomy, etc.

Amerindians are citizens & patriots in our country & in their own sacred places.
I respect our mutual heritage...

I wish you'd wouldn't "rub my nose" in the years 1491-2. Columbus is not my favorite explorer either.


Not the motherland, but the mother's land. I do not think she cares all that much for what some people call democracy.
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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:00 pm

I agree that G-d is above politics & religion. G-d doesn't choose factions nor governments.
But we as a people have chosen & we need to respect each other. We don't normally need
instructions on this. We must peacefully co-exist as much as possible.

Democracy is a grand experiment which was chosen by the few to help the many.
We've perpetuated the experiment, developed by the Greeks, & it has spread to many
other places. Democracy has evolved through the years to what it is today. Not perfect,
but a work in progress... Because we are just folks...

A person's home is close to his/her heart. We hold this dear. That is what this country is
to me...Our homeland. 8) :) Together, we own a collective history & a vibrant one…

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:29 am

Didn't those ancient Greeks who developed democracy condoned slavery ? Just like America's founding fathers.

In democracies it is always the smallest ruling elite minority usually calling the shots.

Democracy, it appears to be a nice word
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Postby Steve Plonk » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Atehequa, old buddy, you're getting democracy mixed up with oligarchy.
In an oligarchy, the few rule the many. Read these quotes & rejoice.

It isn't the frontier days anymore. You've been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
Obama, a mulatto man, is president & things are gradually getting better in the US of A.
See below & Season's Greetings! I'm so GLAD we live in a democracy...

From Wikipedia site:
While there is no universally accepted definition of "democracy,"[5] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[6] These principles are reflected in all all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of its all citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution.[7][8]

One theory holds that democracy requires three fundamental principles: 1) upward control, i.e. sovereignty residing at the lowest levels of authority, 2) political equality, and 3) social norms by which individuals and institutions only consider acceptable acts that reflect the first two principles of upward control and political equality.[9]





Here's the definition of democracy from Merriam-Webster:
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a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:22 am

Steve Plonk wrote:
You've been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
Have I ?

Let's not jump head first into assumptions, Steve. That would be like me saying you see Obama as some kind of messiah-like figure or at least drool all over the thought of this president like some 13 year old school girl does when she sees a picture of Justin Bieber.

To me Obama is just another puppet of an imperialistic nation regardless of his ethnicity or political party.
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Postby Steve Plonk » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:50 am

Atehequa, there you go again with that "chip on your shoulder". Imperialism, eh?!
So, we are like the Chinese, now? State Imperialism? Fooey, as they say in China!
Get real... :lol: Talking about assumptions...Hoo Hah!

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Steve Plonk wrote:
Atehequa, there you go again with that "chip on your shoulder". Imperialism, eh?!
So, we are like the Chinese, now? State Imperialism? Fooey, as they say in China!
Get real... :lol: Talking about assumptions...Hoo Hah!


Then what would you call a nation that employs the services of mercenary, goon-like operations such as Blackwater/Academi /Xe Services LLC ?

What do you call a government that fabricates reasons in order to invade and dominate another nation just because of it's abundant oil supply ?

Bush then Obama and the thinking people who can see a good cop-bad cop game for what it is.

Who's minding all that Iraqi oil during this administration ? Are Eric Price's boys guarding those refineries now ? Simple conclusions, the kind that MSNBC , CNN or even those rabid critters over at FOX never seem to even lightly touch upon.

Chip on my shoulder ? I've carried firewood that way before and will probably continue in the future, but it is my basic human right which prompts me to offer such responses just as it is yours to attempt labeling people who give opinion you happen to disagree with.
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Postby Steve Plonk » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Atehequa, Right back on you...We'll just have to agree to disagree...

In your so called shell game, Obama is the good cop. As for Blackwater, et al, hey, its
nothing new. Back in the old days, the Secret Service contracted Wells Fargo to guard
treasury shipments. A large country has to look after its interests one way or another.
I would prefer that the service personnel control our food, drinks, & K. P. & water...
But that's just me...The service has contracted that out since at least 1968.

I think you are some kind of conspiracy buff, & I respect some of that. But, many of your
opinions are "over the top'". So let's take it down a notch. I will try that also... :lol:

It's good to keep an eye on developments & I think we may agree on that... :wink:

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:57 pm

Steve Plonk wrote:
Atehequa, Right back on you...We'll just have to agree to disagree...

In your so called shell game, Obama is the good cop. As for Blackwater, et al, hey, its
nothing new. Back in the old days, the Secret Service contracted Wells Fargo to guard
treasury shipments. A large country has to look after its interests one way or another.
I would prefer that the service personnel control our food, drinks, & K. P. & water...
But that's just me...The service has contracted that out since at least 1968.

I think you are some kind of conspiracy buff, & I respect some of that. But, many of your
opinions are "over the top'". So let's take it down a notch. I will try that also... :lol:

It's good to keep an eye on developments & I think we may agree on that... :wink:


For you, along with Donny Democrat and Ricky Republican it's more of a winning team thing, isn't it ? Each side probably voting for the devil if he were the candidate for either side as long as their team wins.

Conspiracy buff ? No Steve,

I'll leave

conspiracies for those moonbat libertarians. I am of the first nations who felt the sting of American imperialism before anyone else and have come to know it for what it truly is, an old stick with far too many notches.
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Postby Steve Plonk » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:52 pm

Atehequa said:
"I am of the first nations who felt the sting of American imperialism before anyone else and have come to know it for what it truly is, an old stick with far too many notches."


a) Are you a member of the "Iroquois Confederacy" group of tribes, or b) are you a Canadian born Amerindian residing in the USA, or c) a member of a tribe native to early Virginia? :?

Inquiring minds want to know..."First Nations" is an ambiguous term to me...According to my source, It usually means a Canadian born Amerindian residing in the USA. Just curious...

I don't appreciate you trying to "pigeon hole" me either...How does it feel on the other foot?
Why are you fearful to vote? It is one of our democratic rights & people have died for it.
Plenty of people, including myself, have voted for third party candidates...
Are you undocumented or a convicted felon? :? :(

Voting is boss. You can't beat it with a stick. :D

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:33 pm

No Steve, I am not of the Haudenosaunee and have never been to Canada.

My mother was Shawano and my father was Shawano, Catawba and a little Irish. They were not born in Virginia, but I was.

The Shawnee have always been a people on the move and once lived in the Shenandoah Valley after driving the Haudenosaunee out.
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Re: History is a solution...

Postby justwalt » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:13 pm

america was created by the genocide of those who have occupied
the continent for centuries prior... (and it really hasn't stopped)... cool start, right?

and since then, has officially declared war only five time, the last being in 1942.

and since then, has been playing war at least 125 times around the
globe attacking or aiding in attacking other countries, for what?

to make a buck, nothing more.

and Iran hasn't attacked another country for 300 years.

america orchestrated the Iraq-Kuwaiti attack, and then took later Iraq.

Iran sits next on the list, they're sitting on the third largest oil reserve, and good ol' uncle Sam wants control of it.

but, any country that is born out of murder and corruption, shall also perish by the same means.

that is history

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:06 am

JustWalt, :lol: Just another shill for Iran... Beware a Persian bringing gifts.

Are you trying to get on a watch list? Think carefully, if we had wanted to attack Iran, we would already have done it. No, we don't need Iran's oil. What, in oil sands, gave you that idea? We just need Iran to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. :roll: :P Bye, now, my lad.
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Re: History is a solution...

Postby justwalt » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:41 am

your knowledge of history is typical

your allegiance to a lie is predictable

your barking resembles a sheep

and... we, the people, didn't write the constitution

shalom

as for trolling, what was the name of this sub-forum ?

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:05 am

JustWalt, Duly noted...Don't forget Herstory...Truths &/or lies, exaggerations...? Gee, my lad, what else is new? Isn't History just yarns written by the victors?
We, ourselves, are just little footnotes in His/Herstory. The world will little note our passing... :lol:

I'm taking a break, on this thread, from posting...The silly season is upon us:
"It's the chorus for lavoris, play the pipe & join the chorus
Now we sing in cacaphonus measure, to chase away the stormy weather!..."
Bleat Bleat Bleat! I continue to bark, but not like a sheep--more like a goat in the park... :mrgreen:

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby stilltrucking » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:33 pm
It may be necessary temporarily to accept a lesser evil, but one must never label a necessary evil as good.



Someone mentioned ancient Greece. Yes if you were a Citizen of the Polis you had a lot of power. In fact the Athenians were so jealous of their rights that they would not give one citizen police power over another. So they used slaves as their cops. Go figure.

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:06 am

justwalt wrote:america was created by the genocide of those who have occupied
the continent for centuries prior... (and it really hasn't stopped)... cool start, right?



Those who survived are suppose to forget about what happened, completely assimilate and become proud flag waving Americans. If that's not enough we are suppose to be team players loyal to, or leaning towards a particular political party. If not we're deemed unpatriotic and not allowed to express ourselves.
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Postby Atehequa » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:22 am

Steve Plonk wrote:
JustWalt, :lol: Just another shill for Iran... Beware a Persian bringing gifts.

Are you trying to get on a watch list? Think carefully, if we had wanted to attack Iran, we would already have done it. No, we don't need Iran's oil. What, in oil sands, gave you that idea? We just need Iran to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. :roll: :P Bye, now, my lad.
Go back to your hiding hole & troll somewhere else. Get real...Stop hallucinating... :mrgreen:


Watch list ? You mean for those who don't agree with and speak out against the atrocities
of the government ?

I see someone shilling for a war with Iran. Perhaps another Christian armchair crusader who hates Moslems.
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Postby justwalt » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:54 am

yeah, put me at the top of the list, please!

I'm ready, been done with this planet for quite some time now.

If I could speed up my departure, I would, but I am not allowed.

good, bad or ugly, I must stand my ground with an honest smile,

and a broken heart.

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Postby Steve Plonk » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:27 am

Dudes, "We just need Iran to keep the Strait of Hormuz open''. That is basically our beef with Iran. As long as Iran doesn't block the Straits, we are good...Hey, don't get up on your "high horses" about it...Easy does it... :roll: :? :wink:

Seasons Greetings! 8) Peace... :o
List, schmist... :lol: Who do you think I am , Homeland Security? I am through
talking with you about this subject. History is full of other interesting topics. :) :wink:
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Re: History is a solution...

Postby Atehequa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:51 am

Steve Plonk wrote:
Who do you think I am , Homeland Security?


So what kind of watch list are you referring to ?
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Postby Steve Plonk » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:09 pm

To Whom it May Concern: Check out "the watch list" in the Humor Forum. :)
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Postby Steve Plonk » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Now, that the republicans have driven us off the "fiscal cliff", what is next for the economic history of America? Any guesses? Will we avert another recession or will we just muddle through? "I speak of many things including cabbages & kings..." 8)
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Postby stilltrucking » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:21 pm

It is easy to get on the watch list, as a friend of mine on studio eight once said "Google is the best cop" We are all on the watch list after operation CARNIVORE>it boggles my mind. Computers in deep thought scanning our emails, chats, phone calls, yes we are watched over by machines of loving grace.

:?: Ziggyboogiedoo!



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Postby Atehequa » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:07 pm

stilltrucking wrote:
It is easy to get on the watch list, as a friend of mine on studio eight once said "Google is the best cop" We are all on the watch list after operation CARNIVORE>it boggles my mind. Computers in deep thought scanning our emails, chats, phone calls, yes we are watched over by machines of loving grace.

:?: Ziggyboogiedoo!



I tried to check that out but I could not fine anything


Watch ?

Can they see me in the deep woods before I see them ? Let those who are behind these watchers keep fucking up and everybody will be watched, or perhaps everybody will be watching the watchers.
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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:49 pm

Ziggyboogiedoo! (Boo yah to you.) I'm tired of histrionics, let's talk about economics.
I guess that neither of you checked out my thread, "The Watch List" in the Humor forum.

Someone needs to check their wristwatch, for the hour is getting late. TIme's a-wasting,
I got some TV to watch. :lol: "What, me worry?!"

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Postby still.trucking » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:06 am

I don't know what this frackin phread is about anymore, I just come here looking for a solution. About a two percent solution :wink:
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Postby Steve Plonk » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:22 pm

Still Trucking, Part of the two percent solution would be to comply with my simple request. Go check out my "The Watch List" thread in the Humor forum. Then, after you've read it, we may be able to talk more fully about historical solutions to economic problems. Humor is a solvent for plenty of confusion...

Raising "the debt ceiling" didn't use to be a political football...It used to be raised after a "rubber stamp" from both houses of congress. Now it is time to remove any debt ceiling limit because it gets our politics in a bind & holds up progress. That way, we may borrow for emergency funding without an artificial economic limit to progress.

Most of our recent problems comes from not having a secure tax base. That is, we must
raise enough taxes "to pay as we go"... Also, we have not exported enough goods... That is one reason we have such a huge balance of payments deficit with China. The republican "party of No" has become a thorn in the side of progress & fair trade practices. New taxes need to be raised to keep our social security & medicare system solvent into the future. Eventually, all folks taxes will have to go up. Some tariffs may
need to go up to protect our economy from cheap imports from countries like China.

Moreover, those of us who are best able to pay taxes should pay them. Simple as that. Historically, when a country does not have a strong tax base, like Greece, it goes bankrupt. We can't afford to have any country in the world become dependent on the dole. So we collectively try to bail them out. Likewise, Greece cannot afford to become like Somalia. This kind of scenario may happen to any country if they don't collect a fair share of folks taxes. In order to "promote the public welfare" taxes need to be raised & efficiently collected.

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Postby stilltrucking » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:21 pm

In the words of the Republican party

Stop making sense. . .


This quote brought to you by —
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"Never be such a shit that you don't know you are one"— William S. Burroughs,
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Postby Steve Plonk » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:46 pm

Still Trucking, Bill Burroughs, dead or alive, is not presidential material.
However, you're entitled to a brain cramp or two before bullshit is spouted. :lol:
After all, this is the Rant & Rage forum. My man, you stint so nicely, if offbeat...
Yes, we are all full of it from time to time...Yes, I am trying to make sense of
the economic shit we are in. Mine was a well thought out rant. :lol:

Tomorrow, OUR MAIN MAN, President Obama, is going to get formally inaugurated for
a second term at or around high noon. Then, come Monday, MLK Day, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. will give his second inaugural address, after having the public ceremony around noon. The well-heeled invites are getting lobster & buffalo for lunch as the main entree. Wish I could attend. But, I come from a low budget operation & have to watch on TV, like most of us. I'm proud to be part of history & have voted for a winner once again. 8)

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Re: History is a solution...

Postby stilltrucking » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:17 am

I voted but I am not proud of it.
different strokes I suppose

It sure would be sweet to vote in 2014 again. Maybe the democrats could give Obama a filibuster proof majority in congress.

If I am still here in 2016 I am going to vote for

Bill The Cat for President

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:33 pm

Still Trucking, I appreciated you voting for Obama, even though, to you, he was a lesser of two evils. Your sense of humor never escapes me. :lol:
Thanks for posting the joke about Bill the Cat, from the "Opus" cartoon, one of my favorites. Wish it was still in print.
Your other joke about the condoms was also a hoot. 8)
I am optimistic that some of the economic problems may be solved in Obama's 2nd term...
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Postby still.trucking » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:36 pm

don't mind me steve
I figure the guy is smart enough to figure out a way to keep the government going, yeah, in the words of my neighborhood friendly Texan redneck "that nigger knows the constitution better than any of those honkeys." They already printing more money. What a deal, 8 cents to print a hundred dollar bill.

Pretty soon I might be able to cash this.

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Postby jackofnightmares » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:37 pm

everything we put out here is goobled up, entrepeneurs everywhere, there is a site that will sell you your mug shots. I think that must be cool, I know I guy who did murder, did the crime did the time and the only ID he had when he got out was his mug shot but it was good enough to get him a job on a military base as a private contractor

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Postby Steve Plonk » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:01 am
What in the world is happening today? Brought to you by your local service recruiter...
Still Trucking, et al, It all sounds might tasty. My sardonic humor is going overboard. 8) :wink: This tire swing of a congress has its ups & downs. Chances of popularity going below 28% for the republican aisle is 80%...Groundhog Day: It is back to 1995 again, with a strange
twist...A soul brother is president & he isn't gonna look at the 20 8 X 10 tea party republicans
obstructing the country's business. He will rule, eventually, like Clinton did, by executive order.
Where is Huey Long, de Kingfish when we needs him? A chicken in every pot & a pot in every chicken...Furthermore, let 'em grow hemp in Kentucky & elsewhere. Hell, they used to make
paper & clothing out of it; moreover, in some places, they still do...Look at Colorado & Washington State. Washington, himself, had a hemp farm. :mrgreen: :lol: Print more
wampum, & keep the big bills in Fort Knox. :mrgreen: "Get rhythm, if you gets the blues..."
See my Column for a continuation of this TOPIC: HISTORY IS A SOLUTION, PART 2.
Soon to be a major motion picture, as my mentor, Dr. Hunter Thompson, used to say.
See link to my Column, "Life in the Horse Lane":
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