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Post by mnaz » June 10th, 2012, 7:14 pm

Your departure was ill-timed. The world exploded again, live on camera, and everything changed. Into nothing new under the savage sun. A tiny malignant fraction always decides these things, but they say this one is different. A religion war. And when you run to Nevada two years later it still goes strong. In Boise, at McDonald's on Fairview Avenue, as you wait for styrofoam breakfast, you hear five old farmers at the next table. The word "truth" spears their exchange, and then you catch the subject:

"Muslims, all they want is to kill us, but Christ will save us."
"But it has to get a lot worse before it gets better."
"The Bible says a third of the world's population must die in the big war before Christ returns.
"

Verbatim.

When you get to Nevada it is beset by gray murk, the kind you fled. The state is in the grip. Yet murk breaks into a million backlit artworks on this terrain; a true artist would push on, but you lay low in your hovel. You'll go over this one more time, then leave it. You're familiar with the big war. Pastor Paul preached it in the big church . . . Every Sunday you rode up the hill to this place. Sunday school first, then church. Sometimes we skipped church; Dad was never sure about the pastor. When you got a license Dad let you drive the Mustang. The sermons were long and deadly, and Pastor Paul dropped his head when he spoke of the big war . . . Words long ago buried, unearthed again. You were sixteen, trapped on a pew with the key to a '67 Stang.

Religion went insane again; you need a position. But after much confused scrawl you resort to a search on the library computer, only to find fragments. Nothing close to consensus. Jesus was not big on wealth, and he helped stray riffraff, which gave us folk versions of the story. Yet he was no meek populist. In Mark he called a woman a "dog," although Mark's author was a bit on edge. He was many things to us. The one born to poverty. A working man. A teacher-healer. A rebel. A prince of peace . . . Nietzsche of course was less impressed. He favored "Jesus the idiot," as in Dostoevsky's naïve protagonist. A kingdom within, not promised nor bought. Thus Nietzsche hammered on the church, but he hammered everything. As for the big war, pin it on Jesus ignored, or lurid literal readings of conflict's inner aspects, the ones that sell.

Faith was more humble once, like Jesus and John in the desert, or the desert fathers in Egypt, outcasts of a new church not legal in Rome, or even Elijah's gentle murmur in his ear, beyond a stammer of corruption, rattle and wane down to your whoosh . . . Although Elijah and John heard louder tremors in silent intensity. God would descend in terror at any moment, and there it is. No universal purpose. Only one way out, and it's ugly . . . But we love our end times, our street corner freaks, flamethrowing preachers, wealthy death trade merchants, religions of money and power, religions of exploiting religion. Even mushroom genius Terrence McKenna had his timewave zero and exploding "novelty." All with their coming singularities, where the graph shoots off the page and we pass through the eye . . . And the rain comes hard that night. "Cows pissing on a flat rock."

~

A year or two later murk deepens again at your Tonopah hovel. Weather woman sees more of the same on channel 78, so you stay another day. Your talent to turn the desert gray is uncanny. Muddy mammoths rumble into the lot and blot the sky from your window, fire up their diesels in the morning and head out to fix things in the big empty. Can't imagine what. But you want no part of that muck. You can see outside now with the mammoths gone. The gray dome eases, cracked by dull white, and you watch the embattled sky as if watching millions of years of geology unfold by the minute. Dark collision zones and puff mountains in flux, white canyons and rifts scraping, coming apart . . . But the sky darkens again. No let up. Sheets of rain attack, and the road sign oscillates in sudden gusts. Rage comes on quickly in the old mining hills.

And you recall a weird story you heard on the radio, nothing to do with desert except maybe obsessions on the nature of space. Physicists are hunting for a God particle . . . A what? You know, the key to it all. This holiest particle will be essence itself, the indivisible kernel, maybe what holds zinging subatomics together. Find it and all cosmic secrets will tumble as dominos. Or at least we might answer childish queries like "why do things weigh what they weigh?" A child asks good questions. Between here and glory we plod on and try to explain the mundane, like "how do particles get mass?" As the radio explained . . . So you leave your puff gray geology and walk to the library again, as rigs slosh on Main Street, which makes no sense. The road is a place to write of broken motels and ribbons to the horizon, or clever allegory of ravens versus crows.

It comes up . . . “755,217 results, time: 0.18 seconds." At your fingertip. Big swig of cyber grog. No place to hide. Even the desert is wired to whole districts packed full of machines hooked in sheer data lust. Heat comes off that array; keep it hosed down. But the weird radio story fascinates, so you indulge . . . Beneath France lurk miles of catwalks and superconducting monster magnets. Metal octopus Star Trek nightmares built to smash particles harder than ever. And an even bigger smasher is slated for China. Leave it to big money to chase riddles of God, a sort of Babel tower in the crust.

And it's all because physicists are bored with their "standard model," about as reliable as an old Toyota pickup the last thirty years. But why are things the size they are? Such childish questions. It's because electron clouds a hundred millionth of a centimeter orbit nuclei a hundred thousand-fold tinier. But if electrons had less mass they'd have lesser orbits, and things would be smaller. But what is "less mass" among the massless? . . . You see the problem here, how the mind could fool itself. Or is it on the verge of a portal? How would acid man relate if his pizza got bigger or smaller based on mass theory? We need a unified theory to satisfy the scientists and stoners, priests and politicians. Okay, maybe not politicians.

Well, a guy named Higgs proposed a field of bosons, which other particles pass through and in so doing acquire mass. A mind screw . . . You mean, a pure, empty field can't exist? . . . Never mind. We need an elegant theory to explain it all, even gravity. No, we still can't explain gravity. Kind of puts us in our place. So seek ye the grail boson under France in a fearsome lair. Contractors build anything you want for billions of dollars, in this case using giant worms with metal teeth, so be careful what you want. Yet why not hollow out the rock and try to find God? What harm is there in it?

Then you come to the bit about black holes. These vicious new collisions might unleash small black holes . . . What? Okay, wait a second. Might this God be peeved at our prying into the fabric? Into dimensions we have no right to pry into, lest we unleash the tempest? Nonsense. Only a black hole massive beyond comprehension could swallow its corner of space, but still, you can't get the image out of your head of a crease forming in some French pasture, slowly at first, then a sudden sinkhole chain reaction, as the Alps swirl into a cosmic drain. Judgment day. Blip.
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Re: theology

Post by creativesoul » June 14th, 2012, 2:24 am

fuck yes- this is the shit- i mean seriously- it is as good as - sex for me- - well maybe that is pushing it- but dang - you got the WORD BRO-
reason is over rated, as is logic and common sense-i much prefer the passions of a crazy old woman, cats and dogs and jungle foliage- tropic rain-and a defined sense of who brings the stars up at night and the sun up in the morning---

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Post by creativesoul » June 14th, 2012, 2:26 am

BROKEN MOTELS ON THE HORIZON- WHEW-[quote]GRAY DOME[/quote[center][size=150] :mrgreen: [/size][/center]]
reason is over rated, as is logic and common sense-i much prefer the passions of a crazy old woman, cats and dogs and jungle foliage- tropic rain-and a defined sense of who brings the stars up at night and the sun up in the morning---

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Re: theology

Post by mnaz » June 15th, 2012, 7:38 pm

thanks much, creative . . . glad you diggin' on it . . . it was hard to work in all that physics stuff into my (ever-evolving) roadgoing book--- but i think this works pretty well.

i really need to stop tweaking and adding to this book and move on . . .

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Post by creativesoul » June 16th, 2012, 3:33 am

tough one- i guess- either you cannot stop or start with writing- it is a strange field=
reason is over rated, as is logic and common sense-i much prefer the passions of a crazy old woman, cats and dogs and jungle foliage- tropic rain-and a defined sense of who brings the stars up at night and the sun up in the morning---

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Re: theology

Post by mnaz » December 19th, 2012, 7:37 pm

yes, a very strange field . . .

i pared it down even more . . .

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Post by creativesoul » December 20th, 2012, 1:26 pm

Just got a yurt/ in case the world ends! Smile
reason is over rated, as is logic and common sense-i much prefer the passions of a crazy old woman, cats and dogs and jungle foliage- tropic rain-and a defined sense of who brings the stars up at night and the sun up in the morning---

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Post by creativesoul » December 20th, 2012, 1:26 pm

Just got a yurt/ in case the world ends! Smile
reason is over rated, as is logic and common sense-i much prefer the passions of a crazy old woman, cats and dogs and jungle foliage- tropic rain-and a defined sense of who brings the stars up at night and the sun up in the morning---

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Post by still.trucking » December 20th, 2012, 5:11 pm

Jesus him self had done away with the very concept of “guilt,” he denied that there was any gulf fixed between God and man; he lived this unity between God and man, and that was precisely his “glad tidings”. Nietzsche The Antichrist

Have you read the Antichrist?
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Re: theology

Post by mnaz » December 21st, 2012, 5:49 pm

no, but i've read about it . . .
"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."
some of the things he wrote about were a little strange, like . . .
"A God who counsels love of enemy, as well as of friend . . ."
(?) did he read the bible? was he not aware of the smite-y god?

and the nazis selective appropriation of his "philosophy" was a bit strange too ...
....One "rabidly Nazi writer," Curt von Westernhagen, who announced in his book Nietzsche, Juden, Antijuden (1936) that the time had come to expose the 'defective personality of Nietzsche whose inordinate tributes for, and espousal of, Jews had caused him to depart from the Germanic principles enunciated by Meister Richard Wagner'" . . .
(from some wiki readings)

nietzsche was a bit whacked-out, no doubt . . .

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Re: theology

Post by stilltrucking » December 21st, 2012, 9:19 pm

Well I guess that's about it for Nietzsche then. :|

If you ever want to read more about Nietzsche this is a good article
American Nietzsche
by Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen

“The most fertile author of this century so far has been American,” Nietzsche declared, and it is uncanny how many of Nietzsche’s central ideas turn up, slightly disguised, in Emerson’s essays.
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http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magaz ... am-kirsch/
I enjoyed reading your Theology

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Re: theology

Post by mnaz » December 22nd, 2012, 8:38 pm

so much for nietzsche? not necessarily. like all powerful thinkers in the last century or two especially, nietzsche has been read in many different ways . . . it's amazing what joseph campbell found in his ideas.

he was on-the-money and over the top in some of his statements . . .

i think the age of weapons of mass destruction and the population and tech explosions render some of his "will-to-power" ideas a bit dubious . . .

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Re: theology

Post by stilltrucking » December 22nd, 2012, 9:36 pm

I have read that G d never changes, never evolves, but culture evolves and I am a culture bearing animal,while my instincts are fixed my soul, my psyche is in flux.
I can become aware of myself
more than a will to power
I feel a will to awareness
I no longer seek happiness
I only seek to be aware

if I can keep on waking up
with a little help
from a small circle of friends
I will surely die happy

that is my theology



RE:Nietzsche
yes take the best leave the rest
same is true of Freud,
I bet you probably read about Freud too :wink:

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