Arrest Bush and Chenney

[tonyc]

doreen peri

I missed the fuck off part. I didn't see the hate mongering neo nazi part either.

Sure, here ya go....
http://studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

What I am saying is you are saying the same shit I read on the neo n*zi websites. boy they hate bush

our fucking country is falling apart and you want follow some jerk off revenge scenario

fuck off

and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

[Doreen Peri]

wow... ok.. that's a trip

never would have thought he'd say something like that

plus, what you're saying, tony, is nothing at all like what neo nazi's say

Hell, even I'M saying it!

And I'm no neo nazi

In my opinion Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes.

They're criminals.

Neo nazis say that?

lol

who knew?

[tonyc]

Hey, the boys made the ground rules, I'm just playing by them.
They dam well know they've insinuated, implied and said that I'm a hate monger because I want Bush held to account.
That's why it cracks me up that they would bring the subject of personal attacks into this..incredible!!!

[Doreen Peri]

ok... i'm just a lady

i'll go make some dinner or something

do my nails



have fun!

[XPress]

XPress

I can't see where a single person ever said "when it comes to holding Bush responsible for his crimes it's "hate", when it comes to Saddam or Bin Laden it's "justice""

Then you're blind and can't read, it's exactly what you and your buddy have been insinuating and you know it.

Well in that case you'll be happy to link me to exactly where I said it?

Or is this just another insult, and make believe session?

am I a homphobe too, or perhaps I'm a racist, because I don't agree with you, and do I beat the wife I've never had, because of these opinions, also?

Seems to me it's you and your buddy telling people to "fuck off", name calling and getting mad.

Again, perhaps you'll show me where I've told anyone to "fuck off", or called them names?

I never called or insinuated you where anything

That's just a straight out lie Tony.

I quote "Then you're blind and can't read, it's exactly what you and your buddy have been insinuating"

That's in the very post where you type your denial.

You insinuate I hold a position that I quite clearly don't.

With other people you're even more blunt, again, I quote "I take it, you are a Bush worshipper"

You're just straight up and down lying about people, Tony.

Try as you will, you will never spin, lie or twist my words to fit your agenda.

There is only one person in this thread trying to do anything like that, and that's you.

Well, that can be read in your every post, in the vitriol, in the insults, and in the attacks

That's an outright lie, shame on you little boy.

Then prove it's a lie.

I seem quite able to find quotes to show when you make things up, but all you do is toss out insults, and smears, and lies.

Typical Bush worshipper, when all else fails, resort to lies and attack the messenger...an old worn out statedgy.

There you go again, just another lie.

Again with the Bush worshiper, homophobe, nazi, racist, wife beating bull crap smears.

So after all of the lies, spin, pity partys, personal attacks and outright bullshit...

There is only one liar in this thread, a rather puny, little, hate driven, revenge freak liar, who is so obsessed he'll attack anyone, and anything, to push his agenda.

That guys name begins with a T.

[XPress]

yes you did.. you said this

Typical Bush worshipper, when all else fails, resort to lies and attack the messenger...an old worn out statedgy.

That's calling them both Bush worshippers. *shrug*.. that's what it says!

Indeed, it's exactly what he's done from start to finish, attacked, insulted, lied about people, called for people to be arrested, locked up, and thrown in jail.

It's sad to see someone so consumed with hate and vitriol they are willing to lie about, and insult total strangers, with moderate views.

As you've said, you don't agree with me 100% on this, that's fair enough, that's your opinion, as mine is mine, but I can assure you, I'm not now about to twist your words, call you a Bush lover, homophobe, nazi, wife beater, insult your age, and suggest you be thrown in jail!

My advice to Tony would be to step back and look at exactly what he's saying, and doing, because I think he's so blinded with his hate he can't see how crazy he's acting.

[XPress]

In my opinion Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes.

They're criminals.

Neo nazis say that?

lol

who knew?

Uh huh, it's the view of David Duke et al.

Stilltrucking brought it up in the thread, because he'd read it on David Duke's site (IIRC) and it's actually right, it is the view they hold.

However, stilltrucking was NOT implying that all people who held that view were neo-nazis, I think what he was saying is that many people who hold that view (not all) are becoming intolerant, abusive, and obsessed, in the same way that many neo-nazis, who also hold that position, can typically be.

I think on the basis of this thread that's a valid analogy, not implying that anyone is this thread holds neo-nazi views, but merely to point out the obsession of anyone who would call for people, who don't sign a petition, to get another man jailed, to be jailed themselves.

That's pretty intolerent, and extremist talk, as is the frequent attacks, insults, lies, and misrepresentations.

[tonyc]

People are beyond the old fearmongering, spin and outright lies. Those tactics where very effective right after 9-11 when the nation was in shock.
Noone believed that our own government and president would decieve and lie to us, now we know better
Bush and his pirates have shown us that our worst enemies are right here on our own soil, even worse, at one time was in the White House.
This country has substained a terror attack that rivals 9-11 or all attacks combined, that being the Bush presidency.
I for one see no hope for this country to recover, I said it at the time..this country can't take four more years of Bush and it hasn't, I dare say, we're fucked.

[Doreen Peri]

To XPress –

Wow! who knew? well i guess you and stilltrucking did.

I can't imagine having the same views as the neo-nazis.

Most everyone I know agrees that Bush and his administration committed crimes. What they did to this country was abhorent and scary. We are VERY lucky to have a chance to get our country back. I truly thought it might have been too late. They all but spit on the Constitution. Bush actually called it, "Just a piece of paper." Our civil liberties were violated, people were held without charge or counsel and tortured... way more... hit the link I posted. I would wake up in the morning and wonder where I was! My sister said, "just imagine you live in a different country. It's easier that way. And yanno what? it's true!"

But we DO have another chance and it's a miracle. The system really DOES work. The people spoke and FINALLY kicked him and his administration and their law breaking arrogance OUT of office. We can try again. Thank God. And I don't usually use Her name unless I am adamant about something.

Thanks for your reply, XP!

I just have one question...

What the heck does my age have to do with it?

LOL!

[tonyc]

Petition
Dear Attorney General Eric Holder,

We the undersigned citizens of the United States petition you to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute any and all government officials who have participated in torture and other war crimes.

These crimes are being euphemistically referred to as "abusive interrogation techniques" by such respected figures as Senator John McCain. These are euphemisms for torture. Torture is a war crime. Waterboarding is a war crime. The CIA has admitted waterboarding detainees. Former Vice President Cheney brazenly admitted authorizing the program that led to waterboarding, other forms of torture too numerous to list, and ultimately, the deaths by homicide of detainees.

As Major General Antonio Taguba, the Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison has stated:

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."


The Washington Post summarized the Senate Armed Services Committee Report on detainee treatment:

A bipartisan panel of Senators has concluded that former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top Bush administration officials bear direct responsibility for the harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and that their decisions led to more serious abuses in Iraq and elsewhere.


We the undersigned citizens demand a full and thorough investigation immediately. This investigation should be pursued no matter where it may lead and no matter what the political implications may be. To this end, we remind you that you work not on behalf of or for the President or the Congress, but for the People of the United States of America and for Justice itself.
The United States is a representative democracy. The actions of our government officials are done in the name of its citizens. War Crimes have been committed in our name. Torture has been done in our name. The only way to clear our name of war crimes is to repudiate them through the aggressive prosecution of each and every person involved to the fullest extent of the law through the appointment of a Special Prosecutor.

[XPress]

To XPress –

Wow! who knew? well i guess you and stilltrucking did.

I can't imagine having the same views as the neo-nazis.

Well, as I say, I don't think your views and the neo-nazis converge beyond this one common goal.

From what I can gather, and maybe stilltrucking can jump in on this one too, as he's clearly read the same thing, the neo-nazi view is that it's the "jews" who did it, and Bush was "a lapdog for the jews", against the muslims, and therefore Bush is satan incarnate.

I think that's about 50% of it, and the other 50% was jumping on the back of a "popular" issue, to try and get regular people on side.

But then, from what I've seen, of neo-nazis, the jews are responsible for every evil on the face of the planet, which is easy enough to prove, if you want it to be true.

In fact, if you want it to be true, anyone can be to blame for anything.

Duke also has a "Support Our Troops... Bring 'em Home" ribbon on his site, but I doubt your views on that issue are the same, either, outside of wanting people out of warzones.

Thanks for your reply, XP!

I just have one question...

What the heck does my age have to do with it?

LOL!

Absolutely nothing, in the same way that my age has nothing to do with it either, despite the "shame on you little boy" comment from, Tony.

Age should have no bearing on this, in fact very little should really, it's not like the distance between A and B is so many miles, I haven't even seen a neo-con, Bush worshiper, or neo-nazi in the thread yet, so we're not really talking about extreme opposites, that's why I found some of the extremist talk about people being locked up, the misrepresentations of peoples views, and the insults, to be so uncalled for.

I mean it when I say I find that sort of intolerance, and extremism dangerous, so I hope it was just one of those heated moments, and not representative of those responsible.

[Doreen Peri]

Personal insults are *always* uncalled for.

Extremism and hatred are also *always* uncalled for.

Thanks for your reply, X.

[stilltrucking]

first of all tony

somewhere on this thread I asked you if you were aware of the on going Congressional investigations into Bush/Chaney?

I have been trying to follow them but they are not getting much press. One of them has to do with the secrete service visitor logs for the White House. Bush's lawyers been fighting the release of those tooth and nail. All the court decisions are going against them, but they keep appealing and delaying.

Also the millions of missing e_mails.

There are more that I can't think of ongoing.

I am not familiar with the constitution as to what immunity a former president has. I betcha Clay knows.

Ok just wanted to mention that.

As for the apology it makes no difference to me what you believe or think or whether you accept it or not.

This was your thread, I was out of line.

But if it was my thread I think I have the right to say what I said.

, e_dog once told me to fuck off and it was my own F ing thread. I thought it was kind of funny. He could be a pain in the ass when he was drunk but he wrote some good stuff.



I was stunned for months after 2004. I blamed the soccer moms.


so did you vote in any elections after 2004?

[tonyc]

stilltrucking

so did you vote in any elections after 2004?

I vote in all elections.
Let me say something.
I am an internet warrior, if you will.
I'm in every forum on the net (been banned from most by now) looking for Bush supporters, just so I can blow on em.
Don't take anything I say personal, by the same way, I don't take anything anyone says to me personal or even serious.
I'm just out here in cyberspace raising hell and having fun, so excuse me if I do hurt anyones feelings or insult you in some way. (hit a nerve)
I do admit, I hope that one day, even one of my posts winds up in Bush's ears. I want him to know there is one American that sees through his bullshit
Now..back to topic...
America deserves justice, jail Bush!!!
peace out dude...

[stilltrucking]

would you settle for just horse whipping him in public?