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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by Arcadia » September 16th, 2012, 6:22 pm

gracias!!! :D let´s do some exorcism with Dylan´s rough & still playful voice...!!!!!! :lol: :wink:

(I´ll post meanwhile some articles I´ve been reading...)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/14/ ... t-the-dnc/
http://www.voltairenet.org/EE-UU-financia-y-apoya-a-los
http://www.voltairenet.org/La-alianza-de-EEUU-y-los

and in a local note:

surprised with Weinfeild´s article in pagina12 (first time I read an article in pagina12 in a long time concerning our government somehow paranoia-free... :!: )

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-16.html

thoughts in pan rayado envelopes?:

http://tomabra.wordpress.com/2012/04/09 ... ontratapa/

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Post by Arcadia » September 17th, 2012, 1:54 pm

another -this time- a bit more balanced article (despite the efect-title and that according with her rankings I don´t be a part of the middle class... :lol: ) from a person who is a strong opposition against the government between the academic and journalistic world:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1508884-la-m ... lase-media

And more articles against and for last thursday anti-government protest. The horryfied faces pointing to each other on both sides look tragicomic in a mirroresque way ... (at least for me) and both of them are crying for attention and consideration...curious :shock: !

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-17.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-17.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-17.html

http://www.clarin.com/politica/sali-jue ... 22562.html

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1509130-la-i ... a-cristina

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1509240-carr ... lase-media

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1509227-pole ... acerolazos

maybe it would be a good idea to admit that most of us still have to deal with our own ammount of violent attitudes, abonated fears, non-tolerant and oportunistic ideas and lack of solidarity metas ... and that there are plenty more of two sides playing... I guess that nevertheless at first sight may look more complicated it could de-compress the atmosphere and allow to more critical and at the same time and at some point more shared views, who knows?.

I don´t know, I feel that there is an antinomia in the air that in sustance is not that real this time ... and that a big ammount of energy and vision is wasted making it the pilar of our nowadays people´s country .... and with that movement not caring in deep about the multiple problems that -at least in a more tangible way- exist... well, let´s see...! :roll:

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Post by stilltrucking » September 17th, 2012, 3:38 pm

lack of solidarity metas
it is my lack of belief that hinders me

I should be more involved politically, but I have this terrible cynicism. :(

I am speaking of "the united snakes of america" not Argentina.

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Post by Arcadia » September 17th, 2012, 7:07 pm

to listen and to not denigrate (what a word, I´ll search the etimologhy! :shock: )or invalidate others as a collective goal maybe nowadays could be a sign of working towards solidarity in my country... also a way to be open to dialogue in a more intelligent way. And yeah, "el que siembra vientos cosecha tempestades" seems still to the point! :)

I´m afraid we are all involved in politics far beyond to be afiliated to a party or not. I guess it would be easier to be happily afiliated to a party but at the same time I don´t feel guilty at the moment for not being a political party´s militant (and if some day I´ll do, sure I´ll be the problematic one...! :lol: :wink: )

lambs and snakes ... sounds a bit biblical, no? :mrgreen:

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Post by Arcadia » September 18th, 2012, 1:55 pm

& today, another animal ...! :mrgreen:

USA government and scorpions in Robert Frisk´s words:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 09-18.html

I´ve been wondering if the concept of "lucha de clases" is really helpful to understand what is happening in our country nowadays ... :roll: I found a lot of articles about it, from the clasical marxists definition to more specific studies. I´ll read and post the links later (again a lot of work to do...! :wink: )

The title of this article at least made me smile: "El pesimismo esperanzado", interesting consideration about the "development limits" of our planet and what could and not could do yet some latinoamerican governments not alineados with the neoliberalism

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/espec ... 09-18.html

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F. N.: ¿Esto tiene que ver con la crisis mundial actual, cuando señalas que no es una crisis financiera ni económica sino algo de mucho mayor alcance, una crisis civilizatoria?

F. J. H.: Sí. Y una civilización no se construye de la nada, no sale de la cabeza de alguien, que llega y tiene la solución, y sólo hay que aplicarla. No es así. Se trata de otra civilización. Ahí hay una falencia que se nota en todos lados. Y frente a esa falencia hay un sistema que es ciego, absolutamente ciego, entonces no hay posibilidades de dialogo, el sistema no dialoga, es extremista, se defiende con armas de destrucción masiva, financieras, mercantiles, etcétera
E. F. N.: ¿Podrías explicar ese concepto de “pesimismo esperanzado”?

F. J. H.: Somos pesimistas en cuanto a los resultados que la civilización, en la que todavía nos movemos nos deparará. Y pesimistas también en cuanto a la posibilidad de enfrentar esos resultados. Por eso, necesitamos una justificación de la acción frente a eso, que no calcula la posibilidad de la victoria. Eso también es muy bueno en los surrealistas: se resisten a calcular, en el sentido de que la acción no se valida por el éxito que se pueda alcanzar, la acción tiene sentido en sí misma, aunque no resulte. Ahí tienes otro cuento de rabinos de Europa oriental. El rabino iba a ir a una ciudad pero supo que había tenido lugar un pogrom, y que ya no se podía hacer nada allí. Entonces no fue. En este momento se encuentra a Dios, que le dice: “¿A dónde vas?”. El responde: “Yo quería ir a esa ciudad, pero ya no hay nada que hacer, ya no tiene sentido para la gente que vaya”. Entonces Dios le dice: “Es muy posible que sea así, pero para ti sí hubiera tenido sentido que hubieras ido” (risas). Ya no podía hacer nada por los otros, pero por sí mismo hubiera tenido sentido haber ido.

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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by stilltrucking » September 18th, 2012, 2:36 pm

Obama is a neo-liberal?

Read a "cute" column in Counter Punch Today
Ignorance on Parade
Islamophobia, Left and Right
by JEFF SPARROW
‘Koran discovered with coffee cup stain on the front cover, US marines deployed to all Starbucks franchises.’
I wonder how much he was paid to write it? Whatever it was, it was too much :(

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Post by Arcadia » September 19th, 2012, 6:55 pm

Obama is a neo-liberal? I don´t know, as long as I know for you the word liberal it´s not too bad ... :) and maybe he´s just a want-to-be-keynesian with his arms tied by corporations, maybe not... sure you know more about it than me! :mrgreen:

who you suposed paid Jeff Sparrow to write the article? :?: Maybe he´s just doing a historical-cocktail, who knows? :roll: I don´t have the concentration today to follow that kind of text, but it seems he did some effort to equal right and left and then jews with muslims opposing them to Christians and then appeared somehow the Turkish, India in revolt, Uncle Sam and Marx? :?: Sorry, I missed the track near here:
The quip, retweeted by celebrity atheist Richard Dawkins, exemplifies the belligerent incomprehension with which so many, including self-proclaimed liberals, have responded to protests against the film The Innocence of Muslims.

Rioting over a YouTube clip that offends the Muslim sky fairy? How tremendously foolish! How childish; how superstitious; how very, very silly!
meanwhile it seems the zorzal criollo was born in France, nomás...! :lol: :wink:

http://ar.noticias.yahoo.com/fin-del-mi ... ardel.html

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Post by Arcadia » September 19th, 2012, 7:20 pm

now talking somehow seriously (at some point I can´t understand at all Muslim´s fervor...) I guess the mess it´s deeper than Mahoma´s ridiculizations ... it looks quite old and accumulative ... and yeah at the same time maybe also a bit planned, sadly... :( Let´s hope human´s furia can be softly disipated in the equinnox airs and that some sense of justice and recognition could be felt for the ones who are in need of it, not implying more wars, catastrophes and murders...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 09-19.html

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Post by stilltrucking » September 19th, 2012, 9:09 pm

Sorry, I missed the track near here:
no noj I am sorry cause I did not leave much of a track to find, it was easily missed. I left out too many dots to connect.

Sparrow is trying to show how fair and balanced he is, I suppose. He puts the lefties down for being spooked by Mormons. (For me Mormons are a nightmare, a secrete religion, Romney shows his colors to 49 % of amerikans) so Sparrow says sure the mormons are pajranoid as Jews but they got a right to be because their founder was martyred in 1847. No mention of the Mounton Meadows masacre.

I am feeling better about Romney, maybe we are not as stupid as we appear on Fox news.
I have only known a few Muslims and they were "black" muslims. Malcom X is still a hero of mind.

The Arab Muslims I see in the news from Libyia and Egypt seem extremely stupid to me.
“This time, the imbeciles have won.” — Bernard-Henri Levy

In Libya and America, imbeciles affecting foreign policy

Obama critics have long held that his post-exceptionalist, lead-from-behind model invites only contempt in the Middle East. Since no policy thus far seems to have been very effective, we’ll have to rely on history for more information. On principle, meanwhile, Romney would have been better advised to keep his own counsel pending clarity — always the wiser course.

What we clearly must not convey to the Muslim world is that either a random, Koran-burning zealot or an anti-Muhammad filmmaker is remotely relevant to our foreign policy. By apologizing — and later by Romney’s commenting — we made events more of an American problem than they were, as The Post’s David Ignatius recently noted. And we lent unnecessary gravity and impetus to the conduct of imbeciles.

Obviously, they don’t need any help.
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Post by Arcadia » September 23rd, 2012, 10:29 am

Sparrow is trying to show how fair and balanced he is, I suppose : that is always a colateral danger when you try to understand facts that looks as furious antagonisms. But then, times passes, someone reads you and you have the opportunity of re-read what you wrote, too. It´s an interesting process, maybe Sparrow is re-reading at this time, who knows? :lol:

For me Mormons are a nightmare, a secrete religion, Romney shows his colors to 49 % of amerikans) so Sparrow says sure the mormons are pajranoid as Jews but they got a right to be because their founder was martyred in 1847. No mention of the Mounton Meadows masacre.

For me the mormons are mostly blond and red skin kids around nineteen that walk -in some times of the year- the city streets two by two dressed as if he were part of a British High School. Also they are the owners of some churches in the city with a needle like arquitecture and with basketball canchas that they are never used... they are also some Bloom´s quotations made by Profesor Nicolás Rosa twenty years ago and I guess they are mayority in Utah where two cousins of mine -oddly- choose to live ... good luck with your Mormons! :wink:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opini ... wanted=all

Julian Assange, anyone?

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 09-23.html

some days ago Sandra Russo wrote an article about battles in our country, but she didn´t talk about class-battles , the point for her was about "cultural" battles. I used to like what she wrote some years ago, but now it seemed to me quite obvious and with a great urge to put herself in the "good side". Neverthess, I liked the title she used "Cada loco con su tema", an old Serrat song with Mario Benedetti´s lyrics. Here it is! :D


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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by tarbaby » September 23rd, 2012, 7:05 pm

Watching a youtube video about the latest discoveries in science I thought this was an interesting subject too
"we don't believe because we see, rather we see what we believe."

Thank you very much for the song. Us geezers need lots of music in our declining years or else our brains turn to concrete. :D
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To each his own theme

( Joan Manuel Serrat )
To each his own subject,
against disputes tastes there:
artifacts, beasts, men and women,
each is as is,
Everyone is everyone
and down the stairs as you want.

But forced to choose, I support
the voices of the street
more than the dictionary,
deprive me more neighborhoods
the downtown
and that the factory craftsmen,
reason that the force,
instinct that urbanity
and Sioux but the Seventh Cavalry.

I prefer the roads to the borders
and a butterfly at Rockefeller Center
and the keeper of Capdepera
to watch the West.

I prefer to love power,
palpated to tread,
win lose,
kiss quarrel,
dance parade
and enjoy a measure.

I'd rather fly to run,
do think,
love to love,
make to order.
First of all I am
supporter of living.

To each his own subject,
that against tastes there can be no dispute:
artifacts, beasts, men and women,
each is as is,
Everyone is everyone
and down the stairs as you want.

But forced to choose, I prefer
a good fuck with an earful
and a firefighter to a bomber,
grow to settle down, I prefer
flesh to metal
and windows to the windows,
a mole on your face
at the National Gallery
and revolution to nightmares.

I prefer the gold time,
the dream life,
the dog collar,
nuts to noise
and wise to know
the crazies known.
:D 8)
“Where is that man who has forgotten words that I may have a word with him?”

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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by Arcadia » September 24th, 2012, 12:28 pm

yeah, a sort of tolerance-chant with a wink...! and it sounds really odd in English! :lol:

today I´m listening to Adrián Abonizio´s "Todo es humo", it´s perfect for today, I´ll try to find a link later. :D

Assange on post-post-modernism, epistemology and the fourth power and ... cheering up! (second chapter):

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/dialo ... 09-24.html

our president is in USA to join the ONU meeting and to give speeches about our country in some Universities. She didn´t talk after the protests on september 13th so there is a sort of expectation about what she would say ... ohhh power dynamics... :roll:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-24.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/diciembr ... 22013.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Revuelo- ... 22142.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Datos-po ... 22006.html

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Post by Arcadia » September 25th, 2012, 9:47 pm

amazing :!:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... embly.html

peace to all... (I mean it!)

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Post by Arcadia » September 26th, 2012, 1:00 pm

and this one is also amazing :!: , of course! :)

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-26.html

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Post by zero_hero » September 26th, 2012, 9:12 pm

In another twist on Kirchner's presidency, launched the hypothesis that "for some of us a bad example, because when we held that restructured debt who took the risk of putting U.S. dollars at a rate of 15 or 16 when paid on 2 percent had high risk that a financial institution will not return your money, and then said that if had risked should share some of that risk. "



For Cristina, who was placed on to say "political activist", "the greatest fear is that millions might not believe that a democratic system can give them solutions." In his opinion, "the most terrible totalitarianism were preceded by severe economic crises that created favorable ears promising things that can not be fulfilled."
We think it can't happen here (terrible totalitarianism) but I think it could happen anywhere.
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