CHAPTER THREE; AFTER THE DOWNING STREET MEMO

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CHAPTER THREE; AFTER THE DOWNING STREET MEMO

Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 19th, 2005, 11:05 pm

Those of us old enough remember how an inconsequential burglary on June 17, 1972 led to the fall of a President of the US. Why? Because the story wouldn't go away.

We can only hope that the Downing Street Memo story and its attendant developments, such as the supply of fresh leaked documents, will lead in the same direction.

Here is a web site designed to allow you to keep up with developments:


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/



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Post by mnaz » June 20th, 2005, 8:34 pm

War is a different case, though....

After a "War in the Name of Freedom and Liberty and All That is Just", is declared, then all bets are off..... regardless of the circumstances of its origin, it would seem. To punish the President is to go against Freedom and Country, and against the troops.

Ironically, starting a brutal, highly-questionable war with a carefully-packaged set of lies seems to be the least likely form of blatant government deception and/or corruption for which the government will be held accountable..... hard to believe, but true.

Thanks for the links, Zlatko.

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 20th, 2005, 11:18 pm

hello, mnaz:


Nice to see someone reacting to some of these revelations, the only scintilla of light to flicker in the Bush-Konian Heart of Darkness for a while.

There's an interesting article and discussion here:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... tNum=97185


about Nixon, Vietnam and an attempt to end the war, ironically, during the Watergate scandal and the hottest pursuit of Tricky Dick's secret machinations.

Kissinger was already putting out feelers for the famous "back channel" negotiations that would eventually telescope into the Paris Peace Accords ( or at least their preamble).

Dub, on the other hand, continues to dither about "Turr-ists" and how we have to stay in Iraq because of 9/11.

Iraq didn't attack us. There were no threats from Weapons of Mass Destruction, and no connections to Al-Queda.

So we're staying in a war we started because Iraq didn't attack us?


Thanks for your comments.


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Post by judih » June 20th, 2005, 11:33 pm

Just reading Thom Hartmann's latest newsletter. I know you read him Zlatko, but i'll post it here for anyone who might want to see it:



They Died So Republicans Could Take the Senate


by Thom Hartmann

Richard Nixon authorized the Watergate burglary and subsequent cover-up to advance his own political ambitions. Because Nixon's lies were done for the craven purpose of getting and holding political power, his lies - in the minds of the majority of the members of Congress - were elevated to the level of impeachable "high crimes and misdemeanors."

Bill Clinton had sex in the White House with Monica Lewinsky, but Congress concluded he'd lied about it to maintain political power. Another impeachable crime.

The real scandal of the Downing Street Memos, with the greatest potential to leave the Bush presidency in permanent disgrace, is their implication that lies may have been put forward to help Bush, Republicans, and Blair politically. If Bush lied to gain and keep political power, precedent suggests he and his collaborators in the administration may even be vulnerable to impeachment.

Conservatives say the Bush claims of WMD and "mushroom clouds" were a "lie of ignorance." Condoleezza Rice periodically does the talk-show circuit and repeats the "lie of ignorance" myth. "The entire world thought Saddam had WMD," she and other Bush representatives suggest over and over again. "We had bad intelligence."

This is a lie to cover up a more damaging lie. "The entire world" was, in fact, watching and listening to Hans Blix, who was telling us that he couldn't find any evidence of WMD - or any other sort of threat - in Iraq. Most of our allies were convinced that Saddam did not have WMD, or that if he did have some small stockpiles left they were so insignificant and degraded that they were irrelevant. This is why the only permanent member of the UN Security Council to join us in attacking Iraq was Blair's UK: China, France, and Russia didn't believe Iraq represented a threat to them, to us, or even to its neighbors.

Nonetheless, Bush keeps trying to push this lie-to-cover-up-a-lie. In his June 19, 2005 radio address, he suggested that the Saudis who flew the planes into the World Trade Center were actually Iraqis. "We went to war because we were attacked," he said, hoping Americans' memories are short.

US media pundits, knowing the "WMD lie" and the "Saddam attacked us" lie for what they are, mostly suggest that Bush's use of WMD and terrorism to justify invading Iraq was a "lie of convenience." The implicit assumption is that Bush did this because of a "greater good"; that even though he lied, he was doing so to advance America's interests. This helps pundits to feel like they're part of an in-crowd elite who know what's best for America, even if they can't tell the children - er - citizens.

The "lie of convenience" is based on the neocon argument that the US needed a "footprint" in the Middle East to both secure our oil supplies and provide military security to Israel. But it ignores the many nations in the region where we now have military bases (some huge), the power and ability of our navy, and the power of Israel's military. And it doesn't explain how our getting bogged down in Iraq could possibly advance our interests at home or around the world.

Often included in the "lie of convenience" mix is the PNAC suggestion that for America to be safe, we must forcefully project military power all over the world and hold decisive control of the world's largest oil supplies. This flies in the face of most of America's history, starting with George Washington's farewell address warning against "foreign entanglements." It's not only un-American, but is the assumption used throughout history to justify empires, and in every single case has ended up bleeding dry those empires, consigning them to painful contraction or total collapse.

And neither the "lie of convenience" nor the "lie of ignorance" were demonstrably the reasons why Bush invaded Iraq.

So why then did George W. Bush lie us into invading and occupying Iraq?

We know that Bush wanted to massively cut taxes on his corporate sponsors and people, like himself, with substantial inherited fortunes. He wanted to weaken government protections of the environment, children, the poor, the elderly, the ozone layer, and our nation's forests. He wanted his oil-rig and mining-interest friends to have more access to public lands.

We know he wanted to undo Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal by stripping the American workplace (particularly government and schools) of unions, rolling back "socialist" unemployment and Social Security programs, and eliminating SEC and tort restraints on predatory corporate behavior. He'd even campaigned on this platform - particularly Social Security privatization - back in 1978 when he unsuccessfully ran for Congress from Texas.

We know he wanted to increase the police power of the federal government, gut the First and Fourth Amendments, and thus create a "safe and orderly nation" of people under constant surveillance, who never question those in power.

We know he wanted to give billions of our tax dollars to churches he approved of, and bring their leaders into the halls of government. He wanted to pass laws incorporating religious dogma about when human life begins, what is appropriate sexuality, and free churches to use tax-exempt dollars to influence politics.

It was an ambitious agenda. In order to bring about this neoconservative paradise, Bush knew he'd need considerable political capital. And that kind of capital didn't come from his being selected as President by the Supreme Court.

Such political capital - such raw political power - would only come, he believed, by his becoming a "war president."

Bush wasn't the first to realize how war strengthened a president in power, although the Founders saw it as a danger rather than an opportunity.

On April 20, 1795, James Madison wrote, "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few."

Reflecting on war's impact on the Executive Branch of government, Madison continued his letter about the dangerous and intoxicating power of war for a president.

"In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive [President] is extended," he wrote. "Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war...and in the degeneracy of manners and morals, engendered by both.

"No nation," he concluded, "could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

But freedom wasn't the goal of George W. Bush or his neoconservative Republican colleagues. It was political power. And they were willing to lie us into a war to achieve it.

Writer Russ Baker noted in October, 2004, that Mickey Herskowitz, the man Bush had originally hired to write his autobiography ("A Charge To Keep: My Journey To The White House"), told Baker that George Bush was planning his Iraq invasion - to seize and hold political power for himself and the Republican Party - during his first presidential election campaign.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," Herskowitz told Baker. "It was on his mind. He [Bush] said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."

Bush lied, and Americans died. And continue to die. But politically - at least so far - it has worked out well for Bush.

It was a lie of political expediency, with the war resolution carefully timed just before the 2002 elections to help the Republicans take back the Senate.

It was echoed and amplified and repeated over and over again to help him and other Republicans get elected in 2004.

It wasn't a war for oil - cheap oil was just a useful secondary benefit.

It wasn't a war against terrorism - that was just a convenient excuse.

It wasn't a war to enrich Bush's and Cheney's cronies - those were just pleasant by-products.

It wasn't a war to show Poppy Bush that Junior was more of a man than him - that was just a personal bonus for Dubya.

It was, pure and simple, well planned years in advance, a war to solidify Bush and the Republican Party's political capital.

It was a war for political power. That had to be first. Everything else - oil, profits, ongoing PATRIOT Act powers, easy manipulation of the media - all could only come if political power was seized and held through at least two decisive election cycles.

The Bush administration lied us into an invasion to get and keep political power. It's that simple.

The same reason Richard Nixon authorized Watergate and then lied about the cover-up. The same reason Nixon lied about his "secret plan" to get out of Vietnam.

When Americans - and the US media - finally realize that Bush's lie was just to get "political capital," to increase the "discretionary power of the President" so he could undo Roosevelt's New Deal and seal power across all three branches of government for his Party, they will turn on him and his Republican co-conspirators.

If it comes out in the open before the election of 2006, Republicans could even lose the House and the Senate, which would virtually guarantee investigations of the many other crimes of the Bush administration. (For example, "bribery" is one of two crimes cited in the Constitution as grounds for impeachment - and the Big Pharma/Medicaid and Big Tobacco/lawsuit settlement cases may qualify.)

Probably the only two things that could slow down the American electorate's growing realization of the magnitude and horror of Bush's political lies would be another attack on America or a new Bush-led war into Syria, Iran, or North Korea.

Bush has already shown, by lying us into Iraq, that he's at least capable of the latter. As Jefferson wrote in a letter to James Madison on February 8th 1776, "It should ever be held in mind that insult and war are the consequences of a lack of respectability in the national character."

And already the cons are working the talk-show circuit, threatening the US with a new attack, and recommending we strike now at Iran or Syria. "Be afraid. Be aggressive. Give us more political power."

But if Jefferson was right when he said that the best defense of democracy was an informed electorate, there is still a small window of opportunity for the American press to do the job they've been so carefully avoiding these past five years.

Instead of just reporting that the Downing Street Minutes and memos exist, they can highlight them against the timeline of Bush repeatedly lying during those days before the war. They can quote him saying that he had no plans for war, was working toward peace, and only wanted Congressional authorization to avoid a war, and point out that this was all after - months after - his administration had told the British that war was a sure thing.

Lying, in other words, to get us to go along with an invasion that would cement in Republican control of the Congress and the White House, and, thus, also the courts. Lying for nothing more than "political capital."

Let us hope our Fourth Estate is up to the task.

Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author, and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show and a morning progressive talk show on KPOJ in Portland, Oregon. www.thomhartmann.com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection," "We The People," "The Edison Gene", and "What Would Jefferson Do?

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Post by hester_prynne » June 20th, 2005, 11:42 pm

It's so freaky, how he lies and lies and lies and lies....ad infinitum.
I wonder what the hell is gonna happen now that he's finally been exposed.

"Across the great divide
just grab your hat
take that ride....."

don't know why, but that song has been runnin through my head now for 2 days straight....

H 8)

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 21st, 2005, 12:22 am

Thanks, judih, for posting the Thom Hartmann piece.

Hartmann is very sharp and writes at this level constantly. He's not alone. Gore Vidal, now in his seventies but showing little sign of losing focus, said: "Bush and Company are the Gold Miners of 2005--- and the biggest robbery in history will be the robbery of the biggest bank in the US--Social Security".

Such obvious truths, making a lottery and gambling proposition out of America's wage-earning workers' future, for instance, are con-
tinually on display for all to see, as Hester affirms in her post above.

But check out the marvelous Mack White graphic I posted today-- that's how attentive our mass media have been . . .

Americans have grown so complacent about each other that, except for those 1700-plus sets of parents, and over twenty thousand ( some say thirty) sets of parents whose children have been seriously wounded ( blindness, deafness, permanent brain damage, amputations and spinal cord injuries leading to permanent wheelchair status, etc.-- and, of course, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome . . .), except for them, I say, it almost appears that Americans want to drive their gashog SUVs flying their flags and continue to listen to Fox TV, hoping everything will be all right.

As a matter of fact, I hit the streets with ( number estimates vary from 15 million to 50 million) several million other protestors in this country and abroad every Saturday from the first serious saber-rattling until the war was launched by BUSHCO insisting that the UN inspectors be given time to finish, and that other pathways besides bombing and killing and disintegrating a whole country and culture be pursued by the US.

So, Condoleezza Rice may have had bad intelligence.

I had good intelligence.


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Post by hester_prynne » June 21st, 2005, 3:15 am

Funny, I didn't see Judih's post when I was posting, damn, i'm glad I came back and saw it!
I want to pass this article on to a few people....it's really good.
Thanks for posting it Judih....

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Post by mnaz » June 21st, 2005, 1:57 pm

Thanks for another great link, judih.

When fear/anger is used to control the citizenry and our leaders skillfully and mercilessly apply all the right buzz words to fan the flames of righteous nationalism-- a deadly one-two punch-- then anything is possible and "justifiable"..... synthetic patriotism, hopped up on synthetic righteous fumes.... symbols and words replace truth and reason in the hierarchy of existence and conviction.

What intensely frustrates me about Iraq is that no matter how many smoking guns are uncovered-- and there have been many of them already-- much of the country will continue to dismiss them with a shrug.... figuring that the end will justify the means. The President will dismiss each new revelation with one of his stock Freedom Speeches and a trademark smirk. I put this one on the people of the United States almost as much as I do the President and his band of pathological liars.

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 21st, 2005, 3:53 pm

Dear mnaz:

In the extemely weird world of California politics, where over one hundred candidates, including a stripper and a former child tv star vie for a governor's replacement spot and the victor ends up being a weight lifter with a German accent, one learns that anything can and does happen.

I mention the alleged "electorate"because lies on a national and planetary level often hold up since no one wants to face an inconvenient and embarrassing truth:

Many of the awful things done to the US are done out of resentment for what the US has done to the rest of the world.

The naive, Bible-beating self-righteous nuts in Iowa and Nebraska and Kansas aren't to blame for this one. A science fiction writer with the imagination of William Gibson for conspiracies and the way they are linked to each other is necessary to parse the subtleties and skinnies of this evil web.

Since no one takes responsibility, as Lincoln did for preserving the Union or as "Give-'Em-Hell" Harry Truman did for nuking the "Japs", there's a nice polymerization of chaps like Ken Lay and his minions, George W. Bush and his Busy Bunch, and Tom DeLay, who doesn't-- when it means scooping in funds . . .

Metaphysical. That's what it is. All the magma of human slime has lobed itself into a few Neo-Con imaginations, and by God ( or Allah), they are going to turn the world around to real Clean American Decency-- no more "camel-drivers, rug-sellers and towelheads" . . .

It was one thing for Teddy Roosevelt to bully it out with his toy fleet.

But suppose someone gets fissile, weapons-grade plutonium from the black market in Ukraine and puts a suitcase nuke near the Green Zone, in the process wiping out fifty thousand or so Baghdad-ians . . .?

An interesting story at this link:


http://www.nti.org/e_research/cnwm/threat/demand.asp


Then will the complaints about $2.29/ gallon at the pump die down?

Probably not.

Look at what it takes for poetry to get noticed in this country.


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