Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:01:27 EDT
From: Unityact2@aol.com
Subject: Jimmy Massey tour (Miami, 8/12 - 16)
Dear Friends,
Veterans For Peace (south Florida) is recruiting co-sponsors
for our
August 12 - 16 counter-recruitment tour of Miami by former Marine
Corps
recruiter, Iraq War veteran, and Iraq Veterans Against the War
co-founder Jimmy
Massey (NC). Have your group help co-sponsor an activity, attend a
tour event,
or buy/sell some 50-50 VFP raffle tickets for us! Please reply if you
can
help.
P. S. Attached is an up-to-date schedule.
Patrick McCann, VFP chapter 032
President,
VVAW contact
(Miami)
305-401-7054/238-3361
(thanks e pup.) yes that is a good way to involve others in discussion should the topis be brought up. roger wilco.not rigouous, just spacious.
History.
Yes and we certainly need to be more rigorous in our debate about that, obviously the Dems were not capable of that this time around.
Some would, of course, see that as a weakness, which is why we don't have rigouous debate before military actions.
Wonder if any rigorous debates are emerging now?
Doubt it, but we are talking about the mainstream. Within our own locus of control, as we engage others, we can challenge with insight, particularly when one defines onself as a non-pacifist, one who is the opposite of the chicken-hawk phenom, who oposes a war based upon the costs of said war, rational exposee of its folly, and alternative course of action.
Yet the overwhelming conception we are ingrained with here in America is that reason and discussion are weak and that might makes right, so on some level, in some way, we have to break open that folly with our own toughness and implore the recipient audience to consider that, just mayby, speaking up and saying NO is a strength as well, a gulf war, the abyss of disillusion and reframing.
Reframing the shape of our perceptions. We have to be models first, to show others that we are different in our perceptions and to be open to dialogue, and having some scoring points to better serve our case.
It depends upon the situation, yes.
In my letter of resignation to the AirForce, I stated that I was not against all wars, that I was in favor of wars of social liberation and revolution, exactly those words, and compared the American Revolutionary War with the Vietnamese War, which the Viets call the American War.
Say Jane Fonda is having a bus tour to protest thje Iraq War!
I am gonna get or make a bumper sticker that says:
" VIETNAM VET PILOT FONDA JANE!"
Who says that we can't rewrite history?
Some would, of course, see that as a weakness, which is why we don't have rigouous debate before military actions.
Wonder if any rigorous debates are emerging now?
Doubt it, but we are talking about the mainstream. Within our own locus of control, as we engage others, we can challenge with insight, particularly when one defines onself as a non-pacifist, one who is the opposite of the chicken-hawk phenom, who oposes a war based upon the costs of said war, rational exposee of its folly, and alternative course of action.
Yet the overwhelming conception we are ingrained with here in America is that reason and discussion are weak and that might makes right, so on some level, in some way, we have to break open that folly with our own toughness and implore the recipient audience to consider that, just mayby, speaking up and saying NO is a strength as well, a gulf war, the abyss of disillusion and reframing.
Reframing the shape of our perceptions. We have to be models first, to show others that we are different in our perceptions and to be open to dialogue, and having some scoring points to better serve our case.
It depends upon the situation, yes.
In my letter of resignation to the AirForce, I stated that I was not against all wars, that I was in favor of wars of social liberation and revolution, exactly those words, and compared the American Revolutionary War with the Vietnamese War, which the Viets call the American War.
Say Jane Fonda is having a bus tour to protest thje Iraq War!
I am gonna get or make a bumper sticker that says:
" VIETNAM VET PILOT FONDA JANE!"
Who says that we can't rewrite history?
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stilltrucking
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Hester I told you to please shut up and sing on another board I am so sorry about that. I meant to say it here. I was annoyed with you because of this one and I put that on the wrong board. I suppose you are just playing the devils advocate with this one. But is so stupid. Or maybe I am just lazy and don't want to do my homework. So I will say this. Why read history? Well for one big reason it is enjoyable. One summer I had a great job sitting around all day waiting for a front end loader to fill my truck. That summer (pardon my spelling I will try and fix this later.) I read Suetonius, Jospheus, Tacitus, Plutarch, Herodotus, Polybius, Thucydides, and 1500 pages of Gibbons. It just blew my mind how modern those voices sounded. I am going to read through the entire string and try to give a better answer. But why do you read anything. For pleasure. Unless you are a student and you got to. I think I forgot a couple of books I read that summer. Are you serious about this one? Lets all join the Know Nothing Party.
I suppose I should delete that comment on Creative but I hate deleting, would you mind if I just edited it. Never mind I am going to do it. Cause I meant to say it here
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stilltrucking
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got dam right.The reason to be interested in history is because
IT'S A GREAT STORY
Hysteria a Freudian word for wandering uterus because only woman got hysterical according to him. Woops I got that wrong goes back way beyond freud.
I just always associated it with Freud.The term “hysteria” has been used for two thousand years. A long time, hysteria has been associated with women
http://www.unice.fr/mdl/uk_works/hysteria-girard.htm
Hester I am sorry to be insensitve. Maybe I should have said stop making sense.
If you think that Vietnam and Iraq are the same mistake you are wrong. Iraq is much much worse. Do we learn anything from history? Well Germany seemed to have learned a lesson. Japan too.
Oh yes we will learn from this one. Somebody just said it is going to get worse. Oh yes a hell of lot worse. When we dig ourselves out from this one believe me a lesson will be learned.
"It came to me one rainy August morning like a flash, we might all wake up tomorrow in a pile of smoke and ash."
so meanwhile sing, dance, create celebrate and love
Please pardon my hysteria.
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