Sunday Stream (46) ~ The Aftermath

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Post by mtmynd » September 9th, 2005, 7:15 pm

It's quite alright, A-One. You're not the first to confuse the handle with 'mty-mind.' :wink:

Z - your post gave me cause to wonder how many people have chosen to call themselves 'the original'..? Food for thought for me. Thank you for the reply, my friend. I do appreciate it!

microbe - yes... the other 'big one'... we americans have chosen to live upon a dangerous continent - hurricanes, tornadoes. earthquakes, droughts and even the occasional volcano. No wonder we're such a dualistic society, both giving and violent. :)

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Post by stilltrucking » September 10th, 2005, 11:19 pm

The people
the people here are white
racism exposed
I been living some kind of myth that we have made such great strides towards racial equality. Exposed a nerve for me.

hard for me to humorize god right now, pretty grim humor. All I can think of is a Anne Sexton Poem

"god is not mocked expect by believers"
I got no blame to game, but the saturday before the storm hit Bush declared it a FEMA emergency. No matter how corrupt or incompetent state and city officials the ball was in the court of "We the People" the federal government. Our dear leader (tell me he don't remingd of the North Korean president, the cult around him) is a true believer he mocks god with delight. I am sure Osama is Encouraged by how well the govenment of the people of the United States of America is dealing with this emergency.

You were right cecil, it was about the poor and racism.

The butterfly effect, I have a crazy conspiracy theory that some magicain somewhere held a butterfly in his hand and gently blew on his hand untle it fluttered away, our way.

just trying for a little whimsy,

trying to get to sleep got some latin jazz music on that is making me more wired than wireman.

got to change the station.

good night

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Post by hester_prynne » September 11th, 2005, 6:16 pm

Hi Cec, and thank you for a most glorious and refreshing stream of truth.....
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~!
H 8)

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Post by mtmynd » September 14th, 2005, 5:06 pm

Howdy-ho, Hes! Glad you got into it.... ahhh, yes!

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Post by jimboloco » September 14th, 2005, 6:03 pm

I find it a bit if a stretch to include me in the same vein as the oil conglomerates. While I admit the effort of seeing us with an encompassing eye is benevolent, let me assure you that the masters of the oil conglomerates, including Condi Rice, and others in the current administration, do not include you or me in their window on the world, except as consumer and chump change.
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Post by mtmynd » September 14th, 2005, 7:39 pm

Hi, Jimbo - the 'collective we' is just what it implies... all of us are in this mess together, each with a different purpose, each with a different outlook, each with a different motive, but it is 'we' regardless, the collective we that inhabit not only this country but this planet. No big deal.

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Post by stilltrucking » September 15th, 2005, 12:14 am

do not include you or me in their window on the world, except as consumer and chump change.
'we' regardless, the collective we that inhabit not only this country but this planet. No big deal.
I was in kind of a dither where to start here. Two sunday streams here. The threshold of light post I am just going to say mnaz sounds right to me too.

Now this here aftermath post sure reminds me of the duality between east and west, there is none, yes it is "we" cecil but jimbo got a point too. There is a danger of nihlism with buddhism, I think, that is why i prefer zenn. Hard to be a we when "they" don't see me as a human being. Got to rise above that we shit once in a while. Time to be as wise as a serpent, trust our reptile brains.

Nietzsche admired Buddhism a lot jimboloco, but he was wary of the nihlism. Sorry to be such a Nietzsche freak, you know it was a starry night in Cerritos New Mexico when I first read him.

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Post by mtmynd » September 15th, 2005, 1:35 am

"Hard to be a we when 'they' don't see me as a human being."

'They' is a separation imposed by you from the 'we' which is. You don't see 'they' as human beings either. It's all perception. Perceive the collective to see the 'we'. 'They' don't matter. Only 'we' matter.

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Post by stilltrucking » September 15th, 2005, 2:03 am

Ok cecil, it all sounds good. We know where we are coming from. We know where they/we are coming from.

If we get to sleep right now, we will get five hours sleep. As soon we make wewe

good night.

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this bit added later.
Thinking about the afterward to Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance. His son leaving a Zen center is mugged by two men. One is holding his son from behind the other is facing him with a butcher knife. His son says something to the knife holder. It makes the knife holder angry.
Then his son said something to the knife holder.
This so enrages the man that he stabs him in the heart.
It would be pretty cold hearted and cynical of me to wonder what his son said to that man. Probably had nothing to do with the guy stabbing him in the heart. Just the butterfly effect I suppose. As Vonnegut would say, "the momment was so structered that way" paraphrase from memory

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Post by gypsyjoker » September 15th, 2005, 7:04 am

five thirty am

Cecil I don't mean to turn this into a jam,

yes it is always we,
we have met the enemy and they are us

but sometimes here in this world of duality
I am not sure how helpful it is to be so transcendent. I could say I think, but it ain't exactly thought, I could say I feel but it is more than a feeling. I suppose it is a gut instinct. Sometimes it is necessary for mere people to go with their instincts.
I know George W Bush and me is both we. And I do feel compassion for that mighty smighty god of his. Even if we are we, we are not the same. I went with my gut instinct on this, I think there has to be some discrimination here. That christian god he worships has put corrupt incompetent people at every level of our government. But they are not the worse.

The sad part of all this is I can't remember how we started out with this. This is about the aftermath. About a storm. About nature. They say the worse thing that christian theology has done is to take man out of nature, we are the measure of all things. Not exactly where jimboloco was going with his We
NOt sure where I am going either.
It was not Hurricane Katrina that brought the devastation as much as it was our own inability to prepare for the inevitable, but yet we point the finger of blame on Nature and cry out how could God allow this to happen, as if God was responsible for our ignorance.

I am sorry I got so glib here. I suppose we do not humanize god, and they do.
They got a pal in god, their personal saviour, he balances the book of their conscience, with god on their side.

The mess in new orleans was an act of god, the natural world, and we are all part of that creation. It was not our inability to prepare for the inevitable, it was our destruction of the enviorment that created the catastrophe. (long story about the levees and barrier islands, and wetlands, and the city of new orleans sinking because the alluvial soil is compacting and not flooding of the river which keeps building up the land) long story not to go there now.

So jimbo's point is, he is not pointing his finger at nature, he is pointing it at those we of us who appointed corrupt incompetent people and goes to bed at night with a clear conscience because he knows we the people are all god's children.

got dame my alarm clock just went off. I had it set for six am, but at five thrty am my bladder woke me up. So I have been sitting here a half hour typing. And starting to squirm because I have not taken care of bussiness. Got to go. hope you can decipher this.

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Post by jimboloco » September 15th, 2005, 2:59 pm

At work we are all one team, one people, yes.

In the hospital, that is.

Yet for the love of money, we are not all one.
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Post by stilltrucking » September 16th, 2005, 6:01 am

I have been deleted once on this board, it has left me a little wary of all this "we" talk. Me is not we. That is all. But then again I don't have much of a Zen practice going. In fact at this point I have none. I am hammer down on a highway to hell. Maybe money don't matter once you get past the front doors of a hospital but dam it is hard to get in unless you got the dough ray me.

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People build up an impression of me over the years, filter my words through what they expect they will hear. Same with family, takes a while before parents realize their children are adults

Changing jimboloco, not so much trying to get laid as regretting the children I never fathered. But I have found plenty of children to love in my dotage.

My only regret these days is

arrogant admissions
to guilt plague the minor man.
i feel remorse only for offenses
i commit when i deny
sunrise.
http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4310

six am, about an hour to sunrise, been working early hours and not walking. Going to start my work day later, save my early mornings for “me” or we.


I do not how my “me” appears to the “we” here, I am used to being misread maybe because I can not write my way out of wet paper bag.

just how arrogant am I?

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Post by jimboloco » September 19th, 2005, 8:01 am

Now looking back I can read mtmynd's Universalist sermon with some grace. It's a lament, a frustration exposed.

Now the Chinese are using the Communist Party to fill servants jobs for the elite noveau riche.

It doesn't apply only to America.
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Post by stilltrucking » September 19th, 2005, 9:49 am

We have the best government money can buy. Chinese lobbyists on capital hill are spending millions to get things their way. The Peoples Liberation Army (if that is what it is called) has been labeled the biggest criminal organization in the world. China's demographics (the one child rule) is going to bite them in the @$$ come twenty years. India is the comer.

I am doing my best to be the best enemy Cecil can have. Google Nietzsche Zen and Ememy.

Easy to love your friends, they come and go. But seeing your enemy as yourself takes a special effort.

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