What in the world is going on?
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What in the world is going on?
The name of this board.
URBI ET ORBI
It is nine o clock in the morning and I am stoned, waiting for a call from my sister.
Not much new there.
Iraq, nothing happened in Iraq today, that's news.
Washington DC
Courts slap down Bush on Habeas Corpus
that's good
Palestine
The sanctions are working
Israel hangs onto the tax money
Syria or Iran picks up some fans
The Christian Zionist are proud as punch
Texas
Condemed baby sitter petitions for delay, she has a couple more days to live.
Man in jail for shooting his mother and ex wife
inside story page nine
My sister called
now what
"life gets teejous don't it"
URBI ET ORBI
It is nine o clock in the morning and I am stoned, waiting for a call from my sister.
Not much new there.
Iraq, nothing happened in Iraq today, that's news.
Washington DC
Courts slap down Bush on Habeas Corpus
that's good
Palestine
The sanctions are working
Israel hangs onto the tax money
Syria or Iran picks up some fans
The Christian Zionist are proud as punch
Texas
Condemed baby sitter petitions for delay, she has a couple more days to live.
Man in jail for shooting his mother and ex wife
inside story page nine
My sister called
now what
"life gets teejous don't it"
urbi et orbi.... did you become Pope..?
La reina, Blair y Thatcher se unen en conmemoración
Londres.- La reina Isabel II, Tony Blair y la ex primera ministra conservadora Margaret Thatcher participaron en los actos conmemorativos por el 25 aniversario del final de la Guerra de Malvinas, que se celebraron hoy en Gran Bretaña.
Las islas Malvinas, situadas en el Atlántico Sur, fueron reconquistadas por fuerzas británicas el 14 de junio de 1982, dos meses y medio después de que fueran invadidas por Argentina.
Un total de 255 soldados británicos y más de 650 argentinos murieron en el conflicto.
El servicio que tuvo lugar en la Falklands Memorial Chapel en Pangbourne, en las afueras de Londres, fue presenciado por veteranos, jefes militares y familiares de víctimas británicas.
Los comentadores agregaron que el servicio ofrecido en la iglesia daba a muchos una oportunidad para recordar a los 150 británicos muertos en Irak y los caídos en Afganistán.
Poco antes de que comenzara la ceremonia, cuatro jets Harrier ejecutaron un ejercicio aéreo sobre la campilla.
Thatcher, de 81 años, dijo el miércoles en un mensaje radiofónico que la guerra estaba justificada y que los sacrificios se realizaron por una “causa noble”.
La reina, también de 81 años, depositó una roca conmemorativa traída del campo de batalla en las cercanías de la capilla.
El secretario de Defensa, Des Browne, calificó la liberación de Malvinas de “logro inmenso”. “Al recordar el servicio y el sacrificio que prestaron nuestras Fuerzas Armadas hace 25 años, también recordamos a aquellos que continúan esta honrosa tradición en operaciones alrededor de todo el mundo”, agregó.
Otros actos conmemorativos por el aniversario se dieron en toda Gran Bretaña.
El príncipe Andrés, hijo de la reina y que sirvió como piloto aéreo en el conflicto, escribió en el diario “Daily Telegraph” que la experiencia le había cambiado la vida.
Aunque la guerra no fue “glamorosa”, sino más bien “sucia”, afirmó mantener hasta hoy la convicción de que “recuperar esas islas” era un deber. (DPA)
La reina, Blair y Thatcher se unen en conmemoración
Londres.- La reina Isabel II, Tony Blair y la ex primera ministra conservadora Margaret Thatcher participaron en los actos conmemorativos por el 25 aniversario del final de la Guerra de Malvinas, que se celebraron hoy en Gran Bretaña.
Las islas Malvinas, situadas en el Atlántico Sur, fueron reconquistadas por fuerzas británicas el 14 de junio de 1982, dos meses y medio después de que fueran invadidas por Argentina.
Un total de 255 soldados británicos y más de 650 argentinos murieron en el conflicto.
El servicio que tuvo lugar en la Falklands Memorial Chapel en Pangbourne, en las afueras de Londres, fue presenciado por veteranos, jefes militares y familiares de víctimas británicas.
Los comentadores agregaron que el servicio ofrecido en la iglesia daba a muchos una oportunidad para recordar a los 150 británicos muertos en Irak y los caídos en Afganistán.
Poco antes de que comenzara la ceremonia, cuatro jets Harrier ejecutaron un ejercicio aéreo sobre la campilla.
Thatcher, de 81 años, dijo el miércoles en un mensaje radiofónico que la guerra estaba justificada y que los sacrificios se realizaron por una “causa noble”.
La reina, también de 81 años, depositó una roca conmemorativa traída del campo de batalla en las cercanías de la capilla.
El secretario de Defensa, Des Browne, calificó la liberación de Malvinas de “logro inmenso”. “Al recordar el servicio y el sacrificio que prestaron nuestras Fuerzas Armadas hace 25 años, también recordamos a aquellos que continúan esta honrosa tradición en operaciones alrededor de todo el mundo”, agregó.
Otros actos conmemorativos por el aniversario se dieron en toda Gran Bretaña.
El príncipe Andrés, hijo de la reina y que sirvió como piloto aéreo en el conflicto, escribió en el diario “Daily Telegraph” que la experiencia le había cambiado la vida.
Aunque la guerra no fue “glamorosa”, sino más bien “sucia”, afirmó mantener hasta hoy la convicción de que “recuperar esas islas” era un deber. (DPA)
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From Babel fish
Teddy Roosevelt would have loved it. Speaking of the Spanish American war he said :
"I've had a bully time and a bully fight. ..."
Golden Minarets crash
Cataostrophe after cataclysim
The war continues
Prices are hold stable
except for food and energy
no problem, I can live without food and energy
just don't cut off my internet connection.
fortunately luxury items have not been affected
consumer confidence is still high
everyday a new revelation of corporations feeding on the working poor
who continue to support politicians who exploit them. Because these colors don't run.
ah governments
but
I am too old to be an anarchist
old age retirement check comes every month
I follow the money just to see when my check will stop
It was a bully little war.The queen, Blair and Thatcher are united in commemoration London. - Queen Isabel II, Tony Blair and ex- preservative prime minister Margaret Thatcher participated in the commemorative acts by the 25 anniversary of the end of the War of the Falklands, that were celebrated today in Great Britain.
The Falklands islands, located in the South Atlantic, were reconquered by British forces the 14 of June of 1982, two months and means after they were invaded by Argentina.
A total of 255 British soldiers and more than 650 Argentineans died in the conflict.
The service that took place in the Memorial Falklands Chapel in Pangbourne, in the outskirts of London, was been present at by veterans, military leaders and familiar of British victims.
The comentadores added that the service offered in the church gave a many opportunity to remember to the 150 British died in Iraq and the fallen ones in Afghanistan.
Shortly before which the ceremony began, four jets Harrier executed an air exercise on campilla.
Thatcher, of 81 years, said Wednesday in a wireless message that the war was just and that the sacrifices were made by a "noble cause".
The queen, also of 81 years, deposited a brought commemorative rock of the battlefield in the neighborhoods of the chapel.
The DES, Secretary of Defense Browne, described the liberation as the Falklands of "immense profit". "When remembering the service and the sacrifice that lent our Armed Forces 25 years ago, also we remembered to that continue this honorable tradition in operations around everybody", he added. Other commemorative acts by the anniversary occurred in all Great Britain.
Prince Andrés, son of the queen and that served like aerial pilot in the conflict, wrote in the newspaper "Daily Telegraph" that the experience had changed the life to him. Although the war was not "glamorosa", but "rather dirty", it affirmed to maintain until today the conviction that "recovering those islands" it was to have. (DPA)
Teddy Roosevelt would have loved it. Speaking of the Spanish American war he said :
"I've had a bully time and a bully fight. ..."
Golden Minarets crash
Cataostrophe after cataclysim
The war continues
Prices are hold stable
except for food and energy
no problem, I can live without food and energy
just don't cut off my internet connection.
fortunately luxury items have not been affected
consumer confidence is still high
everyday a new revelation of corporations feeding on the working poor
who continue to support politicians who exploit them. Because these colors don't run.
ah governments
but
I am too old to be an anarchist
old age retirement check comes every month
I follow the money just to see when my check will stop
I quit smoking pot
mercy
just my karma
yes yes I was rooting for the Islas Malvinas sheep in that one
but hey, did it not help bring down the Argentinian generals?

yes the great imperialist british navy beat argentina
fucking brits need the sun to shine somewhere
mercy
just my karma
yes yes I was rooting for the Islas Malvinas sheep in that one
but hey, did it not help bring down the Argentinian generals?

yes the great imperialist british navy beat argentina
fucking brits need the sun to shine somewhere
[color=darkcyan]i'm on a survival mission
yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om[/color]
yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om[/color]
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http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/portuga ... 099267.htm
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=927582007
what ??
What to believe?
I only know what I read in the newspapers
I think it lead to the downfall of the generals, I think that is true. The unintended consequences of the war.
But mostly
I blame it on God
He is the one that created up male and female
at first it was very nice
then Eve baked an apple pie
and then Adam realized what his putz was for
and then there were babies everywhere
and then came the priests
temples, city hall, nation states
archeologists all agree it was woman's fault
God bless Baroness Marget Twatcher
And where ever mankind went he dropped a rich load of knowledge
ANd my god can kick your god's ass any day
I feel like I am drown
going to head up town.
Gaza my strip
everything coming up roses
and tombstones
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=927582007
what ??
What to believe?
I only know what I read in the newspapers
I think it lead to the downfall of the generals, I think that is true. The unintended consequences of the war.
But mostly
I blame it on God
He is the one that created up male and female
at first it was very nice
then Eve baked an apple pie
and then Adam realized what his putz was for
and then there were babies everywhere
and then came the priests
temples, city hall, nation states
archeologists all agree it was woman's fault
God bless Baroness Marget Twatcher
And where ever mankind went he dropped a rich load of knowledge
ANd my god can kick your god's ass any day
I feel like I am drown
going to head up town.
Gaza my strip
everything coming up roses
and tombstones
"yes yes I was rooting for the Islas Malvinas sheep in that one
but hey, did it not help bring down the Argentinian generals?": yeah, if you want to see the bright side!!
The comentadores added that the service offered in the church gave a many opportunity to remember to the 150 British died in Iraq and the fallen ones in Afghanistan.
When remembering the service and the sacrifice that lent our Armed Forces 25 years ago, also we remembered to that continue this honorable tradition in operations around everybody
Although the war was not "glamorosa", but "rather dirty", it affirmed to maintain until today the conviction that "recovering those islands" it was to have.
ah...glamour!!!
but hey, did it not help bring down the Argentinian generals?": yeah, if you want to see the bright side!!
The comentadores added that the service offered in the church gave a many opportunity to remember to the 150 British died in Iraq and the fallen ones in Afghanistan.
When remembering the service and the sacrifice that lent our Armed Forces 25 years ago, also we remembered to that continue this honorable tradition in operations around everybody
Although the war was not "glamorosa", but "rather dirty", it affirmed to maintain until today the conviction that "recovering those islands" it was to have.
ah...glamour!!!
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the bright side of war
is man’s vanity
Today not much happened
my dog threw up twice
My sister found the remote to her TV
Some more people died in Iraq
Help is on the way to Palestine
No news about Darfur today

Everything fades into background except for Palestine today. Tomorrow probably be something else.
I remember the Argentinian air force was desperate to acguire extra wing tanks for their fighter planes. WIthout them they did not have the range to reach the British Warships. In the opening days the A A F clobbered the British Navy. But they could not keep it up.
So much for studying war no more.
is man’s vanity
Today not much happened
my dog threw up twice
My sister found the remote to her TV
Some more people died in Iraq
Help is on the way to Palestine
No news about Darfur today

Everything fades into background except for Palestine today. Tomorrow probably be something else.
I remember the Argentinian air force was desperate to acguire extra wing tanks for their fighter planes. WIthout them they did not have the range to reach the British Warships. In the opening days the A A F clobbered the British Navy. But they could not keep it up.
So much for studying war no more.
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From the same bbc article you posted
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6502227.stm
There it is in a nut shell for me.
"The past is not dead. It is not even past."--William Faulkner
Florencia, 17, adds: "We didn't live the pain and suffering of that time but we're living with the people who did."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6502227.stm
There it is in a nut shell for me.
"The past is not dead. It is not even past."--William Faulkner
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post meridian
post modern
post traumatic
Wolfowitz, Perle maybe Feith
Names that probably don't mean nothing to 90 percent of americans but
I know what they have in common
Children of families who were holocaust survivers,
from here
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar20 ... -m26.shtml
for all I know.
But I sometimes wonder about Santayana's quote about what happens when we forget the past.
Jimbo I think those who remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
As a species our memory is improving by quantum leaps but we just use it to learn lessons from the past.
That is the worst legacy of H*tler imo. We keep thinking we can learn something from him
drive on jimbo
it strikes me that post 9/11 we are going to have an entire generation of PTSD's. Listening to NPR Diane Rhem show about how PTSD was discovered after the VIetnam war. Jesus H Christ jim, Achilles had PTSD.
I am sorry about the rant,
I used to have a buddy that played in a hill billy rock and roll contry and western band called Ranting and Raving. Down and out he lived on my couch for 18 months, never kicked in much money but every once in a while he would pick up his Martin and play a song.
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post modern
post traumatic
Wolfowitz, Perle maybe Feith
Names that probably don't mean nothing to 90 percent of americans but
I know what they have in common
Children of families who were holocaust survivers,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Leo Strauss and the rise of neo-conservatism
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, for example, received a doctorate in political science from the University of Chicago, where he became an adherent of the political ideas of the German-Jewish political ideologist Leo Strauss.
Born in Germany, Strauss was forced to flee after the Nazi’s seized power in 1933. He emigrated to America with a letter of recommendation in his pocket from his political mentor and close friend, the jurist Carl Schmitt. Strauss went on to teach political science at the University of Chicago and gained prominence among a relatively small group of students and academics.
Strauss abhorred modern liberal democracy, which he saw as encouraging the most poisonous of vices—social equality—and opening the path to potential tyranny. Strauss saw at work in modern-day America all of the weaknesses of the German Weimar Republic, which collapsed and gave way to fascism. Politics, for Strauss, amounted to the defence and propagation of privilege . Against the equalising pressure of liberalism, Strauss advocated the creation of an aristocracy in the midst of American society. From the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, Strauss drew his advocacy of an aristocratic elite and disdain for the broad masses. Influenced by Martin Heidegger, Strauss developed a profound antipathy to modernism and the technological progress of modern society.
In her book Leo Strauss and the American Right, Shadia B. Drury writes from the standpoint of a sceptical liberal attempting to breathe life into what was correctly termed, in a recent WSWS article, the “stinking corpse” of American liberalism. Despite the shortcomings of her book she includes some interesting passages on the ideas of Leo Strauss.
For Strauss, according to Drury, the Holocaust was the logical outcome of modern society and the path of liberalism and democracy. “He [Strauss] believed that it was the ascendancy of a certain set of ill-conceived ideas in the history of the West which has led to the ‘barbarism we have witnessed’. He associated these ideas with modernity, liberalism and the rationalism of the Enlightenment. He believed that these ideas have triumphed at the expense of ancient wisdom and that their success had everything to do with the Holocaust. In other words the Holocaust was a logical outcome of the ascendancy of Enlightenment rationalism, nihilism, liberalism, and secularism” (p. 14).
Strauss was convinced that one of the most pernicious consequences of liberal democracy was the decline of myths and religion as part of a nationalist ideology necessary to weld a people together.
Drury writes: “He [Strauss] values religion as a source of order and stability in society. He believes that religion provides the majority of people with the comfort they need to bear their harsh existence. He does not disagree with Marx that religion is the opium of the people, he just thinks people need their opium” (p. 12).
The priority accorded to the social role of religion by Strauss is significant in understanding the current collaboration between modern adherents of Strauss’s ideas and the Christian right.
Leo Strauss was a fervent opponent of any form of Jewish assimilation and at times argued against an independent Zionist state, which he stated made too many concessions to assimilation.
At the same time, when Zionist interests were threatened, Strauss consistently came to the support of the Israeli state. In a letter to the magazine Commentary, Strauss objected to an inference in an article that the state of Israel was established on a racist basis. Strauss insisted that political Zionism and the state of Israel had saved the Jews from “complete dissolution”, by which he meant not the Holocaust but rather the process of assimilation.
Strauss was convinced of mankind’s irredeemable wickedness which could only be restrained through a powerful state based on nationalism. In a letter to his friend Schmitt, Strauss wrote: “Because mankind is intrinsically wicked he has to be governed: Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united—and they can only be united against other people.”
Strauss proclaimed his opposition to fascism, but at the same time, on the basis of his anti-liberal sentiments, enjoyed close relations with the main legal architect of National Socialism. Carl Schmitt was the most important legal authority of the Nazi Third Reich and drew up all of the key laws used by the Nazis to take and hold onto state power.
Drury comments on the links between the two men in a passage that illustrates Strauss’s crude portrayal of political tendencies. Nevertheless, the passage demonstrates the way in which Strauss and Schmitt linked domestic and foreign policy and throws some light, I believe, on the thinking in Republican circles today:
“In a commentary on Carl Schmitt’s The Concept of the Political, Strauss agrees with Schmitt that liberalism has turned life into entertainment, and has deprived it of its seriousness, intensity, and struggle.... Strauss shares the controversial Nazi jurist and political philosopher’s view that the fundamental distinction in politics is that of friend and foe. Schmitt admires the Nazis because they understood the importance of this distinction and they proceeded to exterminate their enemies, including internal enemies. Like Schmitt, Strauss believes that politics is first and foremost about the distinction between WE and THEY. Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured. Had he lived to see the collapse of the Soviet Union, he would have been deeply troubled because the collapse of the evil empire poses a threat to America’s inner stability” (p. 23).
Under conditions of enormous social polarisation and social decay in today’s America, the significance of Strauss’s and Schmitt’s thinking in relation to internal opposition has not been lost on such prominent advocates of a war with Iraq as Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle.
Wolfowitz’s advocacy of an open acknowledgement of the economic and political interests underlying the pursuit of an aggressive and expansionist foreign policy also finds an echo in the definition of American interests articulated by another enthusiast of Strauss’s thought—conservative ideologue Irving Kristol .
In 1983, Kristol elaborated his definition of nationalism: “Patriotism springs from love of the nation’s past; nationalism arises out of the hope for the nation’s future, distinctive greatness.... Neoconservatives believe ... that the goals of American foreign policy must go beyond a narrow, too literal definition of ‘national security.’ It is the national interest of a world power, as this is defined by a sense of national destiny ... not a myopic national security.”
His son William Kristol returns to the theme in his latest book, The War over Iraq, co-written with Lawrence F. Kaplan, where they clearly indicate that American imperialism will not stop at a war with Iraq. They state that the occupation of Iraq concerns more than “the future of the Middle East and the war against international terrorism. It concerns the role which America aims to play in the 21st century.” It is worth recalling that William Kristol had openly called for “a war against terror” nine days before the terror attacks of September 11.
For several decades after the Second World War, Strauss and his students remained a relatively unknown and idiosyncratic backwater of political ideology. Today, leading spokesmen of the conservative intellectual movement influenced by the ideas of Leo Strauss include writers, academics and scions of the political right such as Harry V. Jaffa, Joseph Cropsey, Allan Bloom (author of the best seller The Closing of the American Mind) Willmore Kendall, Irving Kristol, editor of the magazine The Public Interest, and son William Kristol, editor of the most important magazine of the new right, The Weekly Standard.
The rise to prominence of the backward nostrums of Strauss and his pupils is incomprehensible without grasping American liberalism’s continuous retreat since the 1970s. This retreat, epitomised by the complete political decay of the Democratic Party, has allowed a small group of ultra-reactionary thinkers—including ex-lefts who passed through the Democratic Party—to move from the fringes of the Republican Party to positions of influence.
There are definite links between the noxious nationalism and war-lust emanating from Washington and the anti-rational and reactionary theories which have already played such a disastrous role in the twentieth century.
The sickening spectacle of the prostration of the Democrats to Bush’s war confirms that the only force that can counter such tendencies is the American and world working class educated on the basis of socialist internationalism.
See Also:
The controversy over US Congressman Moran: anti-Semitism, Zionism and the Iraq war
[21 March 2003]
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But I sometimes wonder about Santayana's quote about what happens when we forget the past.
Jimbo I think those who remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
As a species our memory is improving by quantum leaps but we just use it to learn lessons from the past.
That is the worst legacy of H*tler imo. We keep thinking we can learn something from him

drive on jimbo
it strikes me that post 9/11 we are going to have an entire generation of PTSD's. Listening to NPR Diane Rhem show about how PTSD was discovered after the VIetnam war. Jesus H Christ jim, Achilles had PTSD.
I am sorry about the rant,
I used to have a buddy that played in a hill billy rock and roll contry and western band called Ranting and Raving. Down and out he lived on my couch for 18 months, never kicked in much money but every once in a while he would pick up his Martin and play a song.
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