C. Hitchens: "Jefferson's Quran"

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » January 21st, 2007, 3:05 pm

No insults there, STski. Good taste in links. You think all that nazi jass is horrifying, Google up some pics of piles of frozen dead kulaks, the victims of the Khymer Rouge, or the millions of dead chinese peasants offed by ol Chairman Lardass (via starvation, famine, disease, or execution) --or wait those pics have been removed in zee name of Proletarian Rev. Or for that matter, gaze upon some pics of the thousands of dead Xtian greeks, and armenians (and jews as well) offed by the Ottoman turks (i.e sunni muslims) in early part of this century. And Chris Hitchens (remember, the topic of this thread?) has read his history of the Ottoman turks rather carefully, I suspect.

Post by **stilltrucking** » January 21st, 2007, 3:13 pm

Post by **stilltrucking** » January 21st, 2007, 3:25 pm

Perhaps the only true dignity of man is his capacity to despise himself....
Santayana

Post by **e_dog** » January 21st, 2007, 5:47 pm

thats really quite sick.

why choose "totenkopf" as screenname. you like nazis?

Post by **Doreen Peri** » January 21st, 2007, 6:19 pm

am i reading it right that naziism is being promoted?

or i'm reading something into the posts?

Post by **mnaz** » January 21st, 2007, 6:57 pm

What does it accomplish to sit around comparing various atrocities of the 20th Century (and 21st)-- a sort of "my genocide is bigger than yours" pissing match? I mean, what the hell, people? Toten, you seem almost giddy at the prospect of such grim discussion at times. That's real nice, man.

We can't control every murdering despot's rise to power, but as U.S. citizens, we should focus on how we want our government (and armed forces) to respond to these tragic global crises as they emerge, and we should protest our government's role in fostering and prolonging these crises, when applicable. This is critical. If we refuse to look any deeper than the approved talking point garbage spewed by the likes of FOX News (Dick Cheney's favorite "news crew"), we may find ourselves complicit in atrocities carried out for the interests of a powerful few. For example, how many realize that U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia in the late '60s and early '70s killed nearly as many Cambodians as the Khmer Rouge regime in the latter half of the '70s, and that the bombing destabilized the country to such a degree that it greatly assisted Pol Pot's power grab? How many realize that Reagan's regime supported Pol Pot's murderous gang in the '80s? Does FOX News ever report any of this shit? Of course not. It's strange how many of our former international henchmen-associates suddenly become "Hitlers" overnight, once their usefulness to huge corporate government has expired. Funny, that.

Hitchens is very well-studied, articulate, and intelligent. But he is a bit of a "cog" as well.

Post by **stilltrucking** » January 21st, 2007, 7:11 pm

I don't think we can talk about it enough.

The world stood buy and let Rwanda happen.

A bit of a cog? Is that what you call a Bush supporter? Is McCain a cog? What about Rumsfeld? Cheney?

Post by **mnaz** » January 21st, 2007, 7:17 pm

Well, in a way that ties into what I'm saying.

Perhaps the US could have sent troops as part of an international coalition to intervene in Darfur-- a true humanitarian cause. But the U.S. military was "tied up" at the time, fighting Dick Cheney's prolonged (corporate) war of choice.

"Cogs" all of 'em....

Post by **stilltrucking** » January 21st, 2007, 8:15 pm

SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL:
The Journey of Roméo Dallaire

In 100 days - between April 6 and July 16, 1994 - an estimated 800,000 men, women and children were brutally killed in the obscure African country of Rwanda. The victims - many horrifically hacked to death with machetes - were Tutsi, and moderate Hutus who supported them.

One man was tasked by the United Nations with ensuring that peace was maintained in Rwanda - Canadian Lieutenant General Roméo Dallaire. But unsupported by U.N. headquarters and its Security Council far away in New York, Dallaire and his handful of soldiers were incapable of stopping the genocide.

After nine years of mental torture, reliving the horrors daily and more than once attempting suicide, Roméo Dallaire has poured out his soul in an extraordinary book. Shake Hands With The Devil is a cri de coeur. The General pulls no punches in his condemnation of top UN officials, Belgian troop commanders and senior members of the Clinton administration who chose to do nothing as Dallaire pleaded for reinforcements and revised rules of engagement.

Dallaire is convinced that, with a few thousand more troops and a mandate to act pre-emptively, he could have stopped the killings. His impotence, at a time of extreme crisis, preys on his conscience still.

http://www.whitepinepictures.com/dallaire.htm
Clinton a cog too.

Post by **mnaz** » January 21st, 2007, 8:50 pm

Clinton a cog too.

Probably. It's like one of those B movies where you don't know who's
infected and who isn't...

And yes. Someone should have intervened.

Post by **e_dog** » January 25th, 2007, 1:48 am

what's a 'cog'?

like the machine?

Post by **Andeh** » January 25th, 2007, 2:10 am

I've always enjoyed reading C.H.'s articles. I'm surprised to hear about his change of personal opinion.

Post by **e_dog** » January 25th, 2007, 9:31 pm

Th. Jefferson was a slave-owning, slave-raping hypocrite.

Fuch that Lousiiana Purchase shiite.

Post by **mnaz** » January 26th, 2007, 3:23 pm

So is Congress and the Prez.

So are you and me, if we support much of the new global economy.

So is the U.N.

So is my momma,

though at least she was right about that church and state thing also...

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