Posted: October 9th, 2005, 11:18 pm
Sorry, just getting back to this thread after nearly a month.
My computer took a huge dive, thanks to some virus somebody put in my computer several months ago. I thought I had quarantined it, but apparently I wasn't successful. 250$ later I am back on line.
Why does death scare us so much? We beat it back as if it was the enemy. Death isn't the enemy, it's pointless suffering that's the enemy.
Someone said lots of people lived into their 70s and 80s -- it isn't a new thing after all. Well, I admit that when I look at my recent ancestors, going back about 5 or 6 generations, many of them lived into ripe old age. But genetically, anyone that we are descended from today was one of the fortunate. The ones that died early on either didn't have progeny, or left their progeny ill-prepared to outlast poverty and orphanhood. It still IS a new thing in the history of humankind. 5 or 6 generations ago, people had some rudimentary ideas about hygiene and health. If I count 10 or 20 generations back, things were very different. People were dying of cholera and the plague, and too much bleeding with leeches after a brief illness. They died of asthma and bee stings and the flu and diptheria and childbirth and murder and starvation and exposure and bear attacks and SO many other things. The lucky ones were just dying of overwork, poor nutrition and unsanitary conditions, after about 30, 40, 50 years. Can you imagine dying of periodontal disease? Well, it happened. Sure, some lived to old age, but I'll bet that not many made it as far as we'd like to think.
Norman, it's all very well for the fortunate to embrace life, and the possibility of creation. Go for it. You have enough money to last for some time. You can buy oils and canvas and pastels and continue to create. You can go on vacations occasionally and when you come back you can resume your relatively secure retired (or semi-retired) life. You can keep yourself in reasonably good shape in this state because there's little to distress you or take up large portions of your time with mandatory obligations. My parents just got back from another cruise and my aunt and uncle just returned from their vacation cabin in the Adirondacks. My father will resume his genealogy research and my uncle will embark on a new novel that will never be published. You have someone to share this enjoyable time with, and that too, makes you want to live just a bit longer. I can certainly understand that.
The truth is, there are plenty of people with a lot less than you. They don't feel the same way about staying alive. I ask for very little, but I don't have the little I've asked for, and it's possible that I may never have it.
I don't want pity, but I have a nasty habit of answering questions truthfully on these websites, when they're asked.
Mnaz, rationalization? Yes, that's what works. It's another day. It may bring something. I'll eat and the food will taste good. I'll go to work and someone may buy a product from me. Or, someone may show up on the radar that will buy in the future. My boss might actually have a good day, so I don't go home tense. Or, she might have business that takes her out of the office.
Right now, I have a hope. It's a very unlikely proposition, and it won't happen, and by the end of this week I'll KNOW it won't happen. In the meantime, I keep myself pushing to the end of the week by telling myself MAYBE, MAYBE it will happen. You never know. It could happen. I'm doing what little I can do in the meantime to try to make it happen. Ask me on Friday, how I feel, and I'll be back to zero. I live on hopes. Some are bigger than others. This is one of the bigger ones to come along in quite a while, but for that very reason, it's out of my reach.
I have cats right now, and I know that if my life was cut short, they'd suffer. They are all adults. Some have behavioral problems that would guarantee their deaths. Others have illnesses that might make death likely. All are adults, and adult cats usually don't find loving, secure homes that easily. They are all supremely happy living with me and with each other. I can't mess up the lives of 12 innocent creatures, so here I am. It doesn't seem like a lot, but this is what I have -- an obligation and a bond of love to some little things who would have no other options if I disappeared. Maybe I ought to be thankful that I've got this obligation, but if they weren't here, I wouldn't have anything to make me want to live another day.
I keep looking for something more. It doesn't come.
You live as long as life is bearable to you, and as long as you feel some attachment to things outside yourself.
My computer took a huge dive, thanks to some virus somebody put in my computer several months ago. I thought I had quarantined it, but apparently I wasn't successful. 250$ later I am back on line.
Why does death scare us so much? We beat it back as if it was the enemy. Death isn't the enemy, it's pointless suffering that's the enemy.
Someone said lots of people lived into their 70s and 80s -- it isn't a new thing after all. Well, I admit that when I look at my recent ancestors, going back about 5 or 6 generations, many of them lived into ripe old age. But genetically, anyone that we are descended from today was one of the fortunate. The ones that died early on either didn't have progeny, or left their progeny ill-prepared to outlast poverty and orphanhood. It still IS a new thing in the history of humankind. 5 or 6 generations ago, people had some rudimentary ideas about hygiene and health. If I count 10 or 20 generations back, things were very different. People were dying of cholera and the plague, and too much bleeding with leeches after a brief illness. They died of asthma and bee stings and the flu and diptheria and childbirth and murder and starvation and exposure and bear attacks and SO many other things. The lucky ones were just dying of overwork, poor nutrition and unsanitary conditions, after about 30, 40, 50 years. Can you imagine dying of periodontal disease? Well, it happened. Sure, some lived to old age, but I'll bet that not many made it as far as we'd like to think.
Norman, it's all very well for the fortunate to embrace life, and the possibility of creation. Go for it. You have enough money to last for some time. You can buy oils and canvas and pastels and continue to create. You can go on vacations occasionally and when you come back you can resume your relatively secure retired (or semi-retired) life. You can keep yourself in reasonably good shape in this state because there's little to distress you or take up large portions of your time with mandatory obligations. My parents just got back from another cruise and my aunt and uncle just returned from their vacation cabin in the Adirondacks. My father will resume his genealogy research and my uncle will embark on a new novel that will never be published. You have someone to share this enjoyable time with, and that too, makes you want to live just a bit longer. I can certainly understand that.
The truth is, there are plenty of people with a lot less than you. They don't feel the same way about staying alive. I ask for very little, but I don't have the little I've asked for, and it's possible that I may never have it.
I don't want pity, but I have a nasty habit of answering questions truthfully on these websites, when they're asked.
Mnaz, rationalization? Yes, that's what works. It's another day. It may bring something. I'll eat and the food will taste good. I'll go to work and someone may buy a product from me. Or, someone may show up on the radar that will buy in the future. My boss might actually have a good day, so I don't go home tense. Or, she might have business that takes her out of the office.
Right now, I have a hope. It's a very unlikely proposition, and it won't happen, and by the end of this week I'll KNOW it won't happen. In the meantime, I keep myself pushing to the end of the week by telling myself MAYBE, MAYBE it will happen. You never know. It could happen. I'm doing what little I can do in the meantime to try to make it happen. Ask me on Friday, how I feel, and I'll be back to zero. I live on hopes. Some are bigger than others. This is one of the bigger ones to come along in quite a while, but for that very reason, it's out of my reach.
I have cats right now, and I know that if my life was cut short, they'd suffer. They are all adults. Some have behavioral problems that would guarantee their deaths. Others have illnesses that might make death likely. All are adults, and adult cats usually don't find loving, secure homes that easily. They are all supremely happy living with me and with each other. I can't mess up the lives of 12 innocent creatures, so here I am. It doesn't seem like a lot, but this is what I have -- an obligation and a bond of love to some little things who would have no other options if I disappeared. Maybe I ought to be thankful that I've got this obligation, but if they weren't here, I wouldn't have anything to make me want to live another day.
I keep looking for something more. It doesn't come.
You live as long as life is bearable to you, and as long as you feel some attachment to things outside yourself.