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Sublimation

Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 7:15 am

I was really pissed at Ram Das
He told Silent Woman that he practiced sexual continence. And she cut me off
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Never was a man as pussy whipped as me
And Carol King was singing "it's too late baby"

Then the truth was exposed
Ram Das had egg on his beard
Or maybe it was pussy juice.

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Ram Das on the unlikely event that you ever read this please pardon me. They say Kafka had a sense of humor maybe not as sick as mine.
I mean no disrespect. You are a good and valuable man who has helped many grieving people with your compassionate wisdom

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So I swore no woman would ever have that power over me again.
What a fucking joke
What got dam imbecile
No that is unfair to imbeciles
What a sorry son of bitch I was
That is closer to the truth.


Silent Woman could not get her head around sublimation
Maybe she was right
I doan know for sure.

She said why sublimate it
Why not leave it what it is
Sexual energy

She liked me when I was "light and breezy"

And the band played on

enough to fill a text box?

I used to think I would sit here like Jack kerouac (but without his genuis) and watch that text box over there scroll and scroll till it would not scroll no more.

this one has scrolled long enough

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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 7:19 am

Definitions of sublimation on the Web:

In psychology, sublimation is a term coined by Friedrich Nietzsche which was eventually used to describe the spirit as a reflection of the libido. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(psychology)

psychology) modifying the natural expression of an impulse or instinct (especially a sexual one) to one that is socially acceptable
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(chemistry) a change directly from the solid to the gaseous state without becoming liquid
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Post by SadLuckDame » October 2nd, 2009, 7:26 am

LMAO! Jack. You did see my castration comment then. I hadn't meant it as mean as it sounded. My head was sick with him, I had the head flu, I died Jack like Freud mentioned and I'd only awakened to my psychologists. Well, I couldn't do like Anais and screw the psychologists. That wouldn't of been right. I survived in the only way I knew how to. I gave him over in the care and beauty of other women. I was dead to him, as Freud mentioned.

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Post by SadLuckDame » October 2nd, 2009, 7:37 am

It's an extremely difficult thing to explain, I've tried. Damnit, but I'd had enough! And it makes me the blackest black there was, then so be it. I was in it for me from that point on. To be in it for me, be the blackest black, I still had internal thoughts to entangle with. I worked with them and with what they'd allow me to do. As I said, too difficult to explain.

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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 7:41 am

You did see my castration comment then.
Wow. It must be synchronicity or something

I did not see it. You are talking about the one you deleted. :?:

I was going to start my next text box but I will put here instead.

The Metamorphisis (spelling)

But instead of cock roaches it is going to be spiders.

LSD and spiders
in my mind's eye she turned into a black widow spider,
oh my what an exquisite orgasm
such a painless bite.
Silent woman was no back seat driver
I had my way with her and she would go with the flow.
But she would take me to movies with her
and our love making seemed to follow the script
I see two movies as the bookends to our romance
The Trip with Peter Fonda
And
The Last Tango In Paris.

I once had a woman ask me if I wanted anything special
I said no lets just act naturally I got no script in my head I want to act out.
But then I though maybe she wanted something special so I asked her.
She said "Scuba Suits"
I think she was being sarcastic because I was using a condom.
We should have never become lovers, we were such good friends before. We would go out to dinner and talk for hours, plenty of laughter, the restaurant would be shutting down around us and we would be ovlivious to the waiters mopping the floors.
That fuck was the end of our friendship
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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 7:45 am

I have not really read your last reply
going to reread it again and reply again
the bit about deletion just jumped out at me.

later.

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Post by SadLuckDame » October 2nd, 2009, 7:54 am

The black widow spider cracks me up.
Elaboration, thrills me.
Look how simple, he had me good and solid.
My loyalty is maximum, I rarely watch it shatter.
It's built of a think substance.
I'll not break.
I rarely do.
He had everything until he had nothing.
Once a Cancerarian breaks, if the major tests she spins come back
diseased, there's no cure.
I'd went beyond the Cancerarian. I died to him, but followed to the blistery snow giving even more beyond myself, beyond my natural makings to seed in the dead earth. He didn't take advantage of a last chance. Nothing could grow, fires still flared, it was an ugly mess. There's a song by a guy who sings Beautiful Mess--like picking up trash in a dress.
I got back negative results on the fact there was no cure.
My dress, the trash, but no happy ending.
Black widow spider was all that was left.

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Post by SadLuckDame » October 2nd, 2009, 8:17 am

Another layer to it:
the dame wanted to live more than I
and I'd allowed her free rain.
It might sound nuts, but it was interesting to me
to see what she'd do.
I was fascinated with our differences.

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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 8:29 am

I gave him over in the care and beauty of other women. I was dead to him, as Freud mentioned.
Mz Dame you are a classy dame. You done good

I was thinking about this quote from Women of the Beat Generation when I was posting the bit about black widow spiders
"You can weave such an exciting ambience around a man he'll hardly know he is being held by it" joyce johnson
I am dead to women. But perhaps useful in other ways.


Hungry
I had a morning fast routine
I am trying to get back to it.
Not eat breakfast till I been up three or four hours
But I am getting a head ache.
Need to eat.

“Some people go to priests; others to poetry; I to my friends.” Virginia Woolf

I love virginia woolf
she is tonic to my male vanity
Women have served all these centuries as looking–glasses possessing the magic and delicious power of reflecting the figure of man at twice its natural size. Without that power probably the earth would still be swamp and jungle. The glories of all our wars would he unknown. We should still be scratch ing the outlines of deer on the remains of mutton bones and bartering flints for sheep skins or whatever simple ornament took our unsophisticated taste. Supermen and Fingers of Destiny would never have existed. The Czar and the Kaiser would never have worn crowns or lost them. Whatever may be their use in civilized societies, mirrors are essential to all violent and heroic action. That is why Napoleon and Mussolini both insist so emphatically upon the inferiority of women, for if they were not inferior, they would cease to enlarge.

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Post by sooZen » October 2nd, 2009, 8:40 am

sublimation is okay if it is what you want...
We should have never become lovers, we were such good friends before. We would go out to dinner and talk for hours, plenty of laughter, the restaurant would be shutting down around us and we would be ovlivious to the waiters mopping the floors.
That fuck was the end of our friendship
hummm, the mtmynded one always says, "friends before fuckers" which we were...

We roamed San Francisco and the bay and Mt. Tamalpais and bookstores and tea rooms. We discussed zen and the universe and meanings of life. We went to concerts and smoked dope with friends or dropped a little LSD. We were "enlightened" or so we thought but we were the best of friends.

I showed him my tits...that did it for him as he was already liking me a bunch on other levels. I had ulterior motives. I wanted him to have and to hold. Sex was a revelation for it showed me a side of him I had only imagined and fantasized about. I wasn't really interested in marriage (my first sucked) but I did know I wanted to be with my best friend for as long as it lasted.

38 years now but who is counting? I may still kick him to the curb (but that is doubtful.) Mutual friends we are, through the thick and the thin. We are still growing together and apart.

I think of Khahil Gibran and his beautiful book, The Prophet where he talks of space between couples, to be together but separate. I can't remember the exact quote but I know what he meant...
Freedom's just another word...



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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 9:04 am

The rest of the story.

We had dated for about two years, she had a lover. I was after her to go to bed with me for all that time. To no avail. Then one night (st patrick's day) in a bar full of drunks I got a drunk off her tail. As he stumbled he poked his finger in my eye. Hurt like hell . Then later she decided to reward me with sex. She wanted to go down on me instead of fuck. I did not want that. I wanted to pin her to the mattress with my penis.

She did not really want me as a lover. She was just trying to be kind because I had helped her out. She was right. we were not compatible.

That is almost a true story
I was using a condom because she asked me if I had herpes. "What's herpes?" I wanted to know. She told me. I jumped right out of bed. Then she had to talk me back into bed. But I used a condom.
No we were friends not in the cards for us to be lovers.

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Post by stilltrucking » October 2nd, 2009, 7:25 pm

Freud's sublimation: disgust, desire and the female body. (Sigmund Freud) (The Body)
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A mechanism of ego defence by which energy of the id is directed from a primary, but unacceptable object to one that is socially acceptable. The term was originally conceived by Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) to describe behavioural mechanisms that channel sexual energies into more socially beneficial forms. In sport, sublimation may consist of directing energies to training hard and achieving excellence or seeking perfection in competition.
In psychology, sublimation is a term [b]coined by Friedrich Nietzsche [/b]which was eventually used to describe the spirit as a reflection of the libido. ...
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Post by stilltrucking » October 6th, 2009, 2:57 am

Norman O. Brown's Life Against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History



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Psychology 4103: Independent Study

Dr. Shrader



In Life Against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History (Wesleyan, 1959), Norman Brown carries the work of Freud to its logical conclusions in an attempt to arrive at a general psychoanalytic theory of history and culture. Making certain adjustments and reinterpretations of Freud's theories, Brown replaces Freud's pessimistic instinctual dualism with an instinctual dialectic that opens up the possibility of a solution to the problem of human neurosis. He takes us through the theory of repression, the development of Freud's theories of the instincts, the stages of infantile sexuality, and the important theories of sublimation and fantasy. Finally, Brown offers a "way out" through the reunification of the life and death instincts, a cessation of repression, and the "resurrection of the body" though the reinstatement of the natural Dionysian body-ego.

Brown begins with repression because he claims it is "the key to Freud's thought" (3). Repress ion creates the unconscious and the conscious as distinct; and psychoanalysis sis "nothing more than the discovery of the unconscious in mental life" (4). Repression implies conflict and conflict implies conflicting forces, so we must examine Freud's theory of instincts. In his early theory, Freud's opposing forces were the pleasure-principle and the reality-principle – the first being a natural impulse, the latter the frustrating demands of society. Where there is society, then, there is repression; and where there is repression, neurosis. From here, Brown begins his psychoanalysis of history, tracing the development of (repressive) civilization, which distinguishes man as an animal. In personal psychopathogenesis, the neuroses of the individual are seen to develop in response to the society into which the individual must adapt itself; as ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, the history of neurosis (and the neurosis of history) can be traced in each neurotic – i.e., in each civilized man (13). The question arises as to whether it is possible to crate an ideal culture that does not require repression. This problem, Brown suggests, is "the central problem confronting both psychoanalysis and history" (15).

Repression of the pleasure-principle is repression of sexual desires. In earliest infancy, sexuality is unrepressed and is called (by Freud) "polymorphous perversity" because it is not yet organized around particular parts of the body but diffused throughout the body. All sensual stimulation is pleasurable (i.e., unless it is painful!). Sexual organization and repression were both thought to be imposed from outside society in this early theory.

In his later theory, Freud sees conflict as between the dual instincts of life and death. Repression then becomes self-repression, and man is thus seen to create society in order to repress himself (9). The progressive organizations of infantile sexuality mark the repression and socialization (or self-socialization, as it were, or self-civilization) of the human animal's natural life instinct (Eros), and these self-imposed organizations are a response to family life (the nuclear of society as we understand it). Therefore, the "solution" to neurosis will be found in the cessation of repression, the reconciliation of the instincts (which must then be dialectic and not dualistic), and perhaps in the (precedent and/or consequent) restructuring of society so as to prevent encouragement of repression in the infant.

In examining Freud's theory of infantile love or object-choice, Brown dissolves the distinction Freud made between identification or narcissistic object-choice and "true" or anaclitic object-choice. Instead, Brown sees the basic love relation as incorporation or being-one-with-the-world (42-3). Eros, then, "is fundamentally a desire for union (being one) with the objects of the world" (44). So, in the natural state, then infant does not distinguish between self and other but is one with the world (52). Further, there is a primordial instinctual fusion which Brown recognizes as evidence that Freud's dual instincts are not actually dualistic (unresolvable) but dialectical.

To understand repression, we said, we have to understand the two forces that are in conflict. Eros is the name given to the natural life force or life instance. Freud, in his later theory, thought that there was an instinctual ambivalence, a necessary dualism, between Eros and Death [Thanatos], between the life and death instincts. In fact, the death instinct is seen as the cause of repression of the life instinct. As evidence for the existence of a death instinct, Freud observes three sorts of phenomena: the tendency of organisms toward homeostasis (metabolic equilibrium)_, the so-called Nirvana –principle; the repetition-compulsion, seen here as a desire to return to the inorganic state of rest; and masochism (with its extroversion, sadism/aggression). Brown questions this evidence. As homeostasis is a biological urge toward internal harmony, Freud thought it evidenced an inherent instinct for self-annihilation (87). But really, homeostasis would seem to be the natural and healthy [optimal] functioning level of metabolic life. The repetition-compulsion is really an attempt to regain the equilibrium that has been lost, the original instinctual fusion. (In speaking oaf the natural state as involving a "fusion " already implies both the life and death instincts; we are not only questioning their duality but also the instinctuality of what Freud calls the death "instinct".) Masochism might be explained as atonement for guilt caused by repression of the life instinct (15). Thus, the death "instinct" is just an alternative name for repression – a repression of Eros that disrupts a natural equilibrium which one then seeks to reestablish through the dynamic of the pleasure-principle (90).

The disruption of primordial unity means discontent and the search for the lost state. History is thus a story of this search. And its is this discontent which, urging us on, prevents us from resting in the moment. (Freud sees the id, the unconscious repressed and the pool of instincts and (sexual) energies, as remaining in a timeless state (94).) The term Nirvana-principle, here used with more positive connotations and not as a will to death, is rather appropriate; in Buddhism, suffering (discontent) is caused by desire (which is frustrated because direct toward illusion s which are impermanent and so void of reality), and so the extinction of desire frees one form striving and reunifies one with the world. Here, desire is not the natural expression of the f life instinct but rather the striving of the pleasure-principle activated by repression. The Nirvana-principle now becomes a conscious tool, not to repress in turn the pleasure-principle, but to achieve the lost equilibrium through understanding and so extinguishing desire. In mysticism generally (and Brown links psychoanalysis with the mystical tradition (310)), mystical union involves the dissolution of time consequent to the stilling of the movement of desire in the mind.

Returning to the issue of the existence of a death instinct, Brown has the clever notion that the death instinct is an urge to die because it is an urge to be a separate individual (cp. Ernest Becker's Eros) and individuality means death (105) (i.e., what marks one off as an individual is precisely one's finitude). But this seems absurd; the urge to be an individual (i.e., what one is) need not be a conscious or unconscious but purposeful wish to die. Nevertheless, separation and death are organic facts, and these facts are usually denied. Repression is of anxiety – anxiety senses at the recognition of separation (from the mother) (109). Anxiety "is the ego's incapacity to accept death" (112), and so life itself (of which death is a part) is repressed. This repression has the psychophysical effect of the sexual organizations, through which erotic libido is focalized and partially denied (112). Another effect, Brown says, "of the incapacity to accept separation, individuality, and death" is "to erotize death – to activate a morbid wish to die" (115). . This wish is now the explanation given for masochism, sadism, and aggression.

But this would seem to indicate that the wish to die is a response to the absence (through denial) of the fact of death in one's repressed world. Death is then not an instinct, it seems, but merely a neurotic morbid reaction. The urge to be separate is not an urge to die but an urge to life (as an individual, which one is); only the denial of life through the denial of its death aspect can be called a "death instinct" and even then it is not an instinct but an anxious response. It is better to call it an urge not to live rather than an urge to die.

When the infant realizes his separation from the mother in the oral stage of sexuality, he denies separation (and thus external reality) and begins to invest in a dream of regainable pleasurable union. Negation of the external is an act of the death "instinct" (117). In the oral-sadistic and anal stages, aggression is directed toward others. There has now developed an ambivalence of passive dependence (Agape) and active aggression (in protest against weak dependence yet unacceptable separation). Anality involves the urge to control rather than to depend. In the Oedipal stage, the infant dreams of realizing a project of self-dependent creation in order to deny dependence on the external world. The Oedipal or causa sui project is to defy the father (the reality principle and perhaps also a reminder of the fact of separation and the need to develop self-responsibility) and to control the mother and become the father of oneself. This dream is shattered by the castration complex, the fear that the jealous father will ruin one's narcissistic pleasure and destroy the child's one hope of returning to the mother (through intercourse; thus the localization of the libido in the genitals in this "phallic" stage).

The three stages of infantile sexual self-organization are three attempts to control the world and so deny one's dependence on one's separation and weakness. First, one seeks to swallow the world; thumb sucking is a denial of separation from the mother. Second, one seeks to manipulate the world (through playing with the feces, stubborn retention, and aggressive expulsion of feces); feces are both oneself and one's created world (121). Third, one pursues the Oedipal project, already described. The fear of castration forces on e to separate from the mother, but a trauma is involved and one is unable to truly individualize and accept separation; thus one continues the causa sui project on other levels (129). This brings us to the theory of sublimation.

A principle of repression is that what is repressed does not "go away" – especially when it is a biologically based instinct. Instead, it seeks to be expressed in altered or disguised form. This is basically the theory of sublimation, the re-routing of frustrated Eros or libido, which produces, according to Freud, virtually all culture (135). To be so expended, the libido, which has been withdrawn "from people – and things – that were previously loved" (161), is first "desexualized," its object-directedness and sexual nature stripped off and denied. For fear of castration, the child represses Eros and the urge to unite. But since separation from the world cannot be accepted, the "object-lost" is reconstructed in fantasy and projected as if "real." This "reality" is culture and the whole process is sublimation (163). The character-structure of the ego is a shield, a set of defense mechanisms, whereby the memory of past gratifications of erotic desire is revitalized in fantasy-projection. IN such fantasy, the self is conceived in desexualized terms, and so the infantile body-ego of polymorphous perversity is distorted through progressive repressive localization and the self is identified with a non-bodily soul constituted by desexualized ego-libido (162-3). To see the self as a body-self is to see the fact of separation and death. But the price of sublimation is, ironically, "a more active form of dying" through negation – negation of world and thus of self. Life becomes "diluted to the point where we can bear it," but at the cost oaf living a pale reflection of a life (160).

A result of denial is fetishism, the reliance on objects symbolizing the lost objects of sexual desire. In fact, the sublimated life lived in the fantasy-project of culture is just a life of symbolic satisfaction – "the shadow of a dream" (168-9). Abstraction and mathematics are the highest forms of sublimation, along with religion, and these constitute the furthest withdrawal from the world of the body – thus Brown's critique of Platonism. Civilization, based on repression and sublimation, thus "moves towards the primacy of intellect and the atrophy of sexuality" (i.e., life) for Freud; in Ferenczi's terms, "pure intelligence is a product of dying" (173).

A long and tedious section of Brown's book is devoted to "Studies in Anality" (179-304), linking the sublime to the base, money to feces, the Protestant Lutheran Devil to the body and death, and generally strengthens the claim that sublimation involves negation of the body. Worship of money is sublimated anality. And main's fascination with excrement (evidenced by the extent of anality) is really fascination with death (295). By denying the death aspect of life, we dialectically affirm it and our subconscious morbidity comes out in our cultural emphasizes on order, cleanliness, and money. Analytic is the result of maladjustment to have a body and a denial of one's ultimately organic nature.

Brown's "solution" to man's problem is "the resurrection of the body" (Chapter XXVI) as the seat of the natural body-ego (for Freud, "the mental projection of the surface o the body" (159) – symbolic-sensual activity that does not separate itself as a self from the body). Sublimation must end in the "dominion of death-in-life" and so does not offer us a solution. "The way out" is an alternative suggested by the distinction between Apollo and Dionysius (Chapter XII). Apollo is "the god of sublimation;" Apollonian form is "form as the negation of instinct"(174). And so we see that sublimation and civilization go back to the Greeks. The alternative is simply to deny or negate, but to affirm the reality of the unity of life and death (175). But as self is a self-separated symbolic construct, Dionysian consciousness is "drunken" unselfconsciousness in which the Apollonian ego (or soul-fantasy) ahs been dissolved. We must assume that symbolization, which is useful and perhaps necessary, is still possible when needed; but this does not necessitate a self-symbol, or at any rate a neurotic identification with one. I myself find this rather mystical solution to be completely satisfying logically, though it is a difficult one to achieve in actuality.







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Post by SadLuckDame » October 6th, 2009, 7:47 am

I've read some of this before, I'll have to read more of it later. But, I do agree on some points. I do think there is the life and death, one can switch it on and off. I hadn't known I was doing it. The smarter I get, the dumber I feel.
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little mischievous darling!
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Post by stilltrucking » October 6th, 2009, 9:04 am

Life Agains Death
It was used in the Honors Program in the Psych Department (which I was not part of, but my room mate was so I was reading his)

The bit that is the hardes going for me is The Excremental Vision. On Swift.

Reading about your grandmother on your artlog, hard

it must be hard to write

but is worth the effort I think.

The bit in Brown about children being polymorphously perverse. My grandmother focused me on my eleventh toe when I was very young. I love her much. To this day, she meant nothing by it I am sure.
Just thought my little noodle was funny. My brother a psychiatrist has no memory of anything like that. Maybe it is a false memory.

Sex is the hardest thing for me to write about. Is that a pun?

That is what interests me about the Italian housewife in Brooklyn that put egg on Ram Das's chin. She focused right in on that.

I heard Ram Das had a storke I was sorry to hear that. He has helped so many people with their grief. He is a healer.

Jimboloco is one too.

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