Isn't it barbaric?

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Isn't it barbaric?

Post by hester_prynne » June 11th, 2006, 4:34 pm

I didn't like seeing the photos of Zaraqawi dead displayed all over the news the way it was. I mean, yes, he was an enemy, I don't dispute that in anyway. But the glorification of our killing him really makes my stomach hurt.
Why can't they say, along with these photos, that killing is never good and that it is a tragedy that we have to resort to it.
Why must it be so base, as if maybe we should stuff his body and mount it on a wall as a trophy?

Am I a weenie?

Killing is never good is it?

I wish this war would end......
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Post by stilltrucking » June 11th, 2006, 4:43 pm

I got to watch the latest episode of CSI.


But I can't see those coffins with the flags. and they are so calm and orderly looking, and it used to be such a beautiful flag. But I support the men and women who got sucked into this trillion dollar scam.

Its this an oxymoron
War Crimes?

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 11th, 2006, 9:00 pm

Dear Hester:

You have named part of the reason I never watch television and have not had cable service for 24 years. The rusted antenna on our roof finally fell down about three years ago, but I never even tuned in to that. The antenna was there when we moved in. The guys who re-did the roof about ten years ago used it to hang beercan empties from when they'd finished their day's work.

They were most welcome.

I simply cannot permit the corporate world to enter my life to the extent it does when a tv runs on in a room of my house. My home is a sanctuary populated by the likes of Dickens and the Brontes and George Eliot, Faulkner, Dickinson, Poe, Melville and Whitman, Ginsberg and Henry Miller and Graham Greene and Joseph Conrad and Jane Austen, poets galore, and hundreds of art books, classical guitar and over three thousand cds-- classical, jazz, folk, World
( you name it) and so on.

Even if ( like you) one is wise to the wiles of the truth-benders and Bush-whackers, the business world offends me enough.

I am truly fortunate at this point in my life: I can read my news, keep up with world events, and avoid some vapid, smarmy faces telling me what to think-- as old Walt Cronkite used to say: . . .and that's the way it is . . ."

Sorry Walt, no dice.

I don't have sound on my computer or I would listen to your lovely radio show. I do listen occasionally to that box-- but even NPR has gone heavily corporate with its sponsors. Tomlinson getting kicked out helped, but I usually listen to Pacifica.

I hear you, sister.

No blood clots and boasting for this one.


--Z

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Post by hester_prynne » June 14th, 2006, 3:42 am

I admire that you don't have a tv. I really do.
I can totally see where you're coming from.
For some reason though, I'm just not ready to give it up, although I have been watching less, feeling more bored by it lately.

It's great mindless entertainment for me somehow, it shuts off my ever flappin mind.....

And I can't resist watching the news for sure. I wouldn't feel safe not watching it......
if that makes any sense....

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Post by stilltrucking » June 14th, 2006, 7:45 am

Norman if the Iraq war looks all too familiar to you, if you think this is Viet Nam redux, I think you may need a TV.

Sorry Hester, for butting in, that TV set has an off button. I think my generation was the last one that was NOT baby sat by TV. It is the first three or four years of a child's life that is the danger zone for TV so the talking heads say. I know what Norman means by watching his eyes.
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The permeation of the landscape with sales schemes further erodes people's trust and sincerity. Children raised from diapers in front of televisions constantly barking lies: 'Only $999.99, Your Choice, Come in Now and Get a FREE GIFT!'-- these children's x-ray eyes and ears know they are being lied to- they just can't articulate it--and it turns them to cynics.

This severity of this issue of children being lied to constantly is impossible to overstate. Children know instantly when an adult is lying. This is something a lot of people forget when they grow up and start lying to themselves, and join in the complicity.

http://dim.com/~randl/tfamly.htm

I have to be pretty quick with the remote, so much garbage to pass through,
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Post by Traveller13 » June 14th, 2006, 8:47 am

No it's not barbaric, it's just a way to get audience.
TV channels need their audience, right?
:|

Don't have a tv either.
My parents used to have Sky News, and it was interesting to see the variations of international events depending on who's interpreting it.

Unfortunately, it's unlikely to stop there.
Just about any newspaper you buy is likely to be at least 1/3 owned by major media companies or the kind of multinational giants which do a bit of everything.


What is also happening is that as people are getting more and more desensitised, news channels need stories which are more and more shocking to keep people hooked.
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Post by stilltrucking » June 14th, 2006, 8:56 am

they still come with an on off switch.

Was TV your baby sitter when you were a child?

I try not to miss the NEWS HOUR on PBS.

The only news show that has a silent memorial every time the names of the soldiers killed are released. It is quite impressive. Somedays the names and pictures seem to scroll on for hours.

Jim Lehrer is my hero.

I have gone for long times without a TV, I can take it or leave it. I was about 13 before we got our first TV I think that was fortunate for me. I have seen so many parents just park their kids in front of the TV. Keeps them occupied what a wonderufl baby sitter.
It is easy enough at first but it gets difficult later.
Advertising has got so much more sophisticated. We raise consumers.

I sound like an expert on children. Of course I am, I have none.

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Post by mnaz » June 14th, 2006, 12:48 pm

No....

killing the terrorists is good....

haven't you been paying attention?

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Post by stilltrucking » June 14th, 2006, 12:53 pm

ten four on that mnaz, the only good Indian is a dead one.
my sarcasm gets out of hand :evil:

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Post by mnaz » June 14th, 2006, 1:17 pm

exactly.

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Post by abcrystcats » June 14th, 2006, 1:56 pm

Is it barbaric? I think people are barbaric and bloodthirsty, just in general. We've improved over time. If they'd had TV in the days of the Romans, you would have been treated to prolonged torture sessions of the enemy, and most viewers would have considered it good entertainment.

I'm surprised that you're surprised that they showed the face of a dead person on TV. What else is new?

As for TV, yeah, I agree about the "off" button, ST. I've gone through on again, off again, spurts with my TV. I'll shut off my cable for years, then suddenly decide I need to get it for a while. My tolerance for the boob tube usually lasts less than a year, and I disconnect it again. My "off" spurts last for years. I've just gone through three off years.

It has its uses, however. There are many things I never would have learned about I hadn't had the TV on to introduce me to a subject. Left to myself, my interests are confined to literature, art, history and so on. TV pushes my range and forces me to come to terms with things like dead bodies getting displayed in public, lies being told by politicians, how incredibly stupid and/or indifferent so many Americans are. I try to shut those things out, but if I have the TV on, I HAVE to pay attention, so every now and then I get it for a while.

Then I get nauseous and off it goes for a few years.

I can only take my reality in short bursts.

If I had it on all the time, I think I might go crazy.

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Post by stilltrucking » June 14th, 2006, 4:24 pm

I understand what Norman is saying. I watch what I watch. I feel the same way about movies that are based on true stories such as JFK. I have my own lived experiences of Nov 22 1963 I don’t want to dilute them with Hollywood images. I have no cable, but I have about six channels, which is plenty for me. I watch a lot of Spanish TV even though I can’t understand a word. George W Bush makes so much more sense to me in Spanish. Right now The World Cup is saving my sanity.

I suppose SooZen would say don’t through the baby out with the bath water.

I live perfectly well with out television. I have gone for years with out owning a TV set.

I am getting off the topic maybe but what interests me most is the effect of TV on young children.
What is also happening is that as people are getting more and more desensitised, news channels need stories which are more and more shocking to keep people hooked.

I think so Jeremy. Maybe it has something to do with the war. . I surf through my six channels pretty fast. It seems as if there are more graphic pictures of the dead and mutilated on the crime shows. How many scenes of battered and bloody bodies laying on autopsy tables have I scene? A lot.

The truth is I can' afford cable. I have not had cable TV since 1984. I kind of wish I had it now just to watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

I have had many homes, hundreds, what makes a home feel like a home to me is having a telephone a washer dryer, a comfortabe chair and a good reading lamp. TV is not high on priorities

sonic writing :roll: I think I meant seen, as in seen a scene.

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 14th, 2006, 4:58 pm

Abcrystcats said it best:



" Left to myself, my interests are confined to literature, art, history and so on. "

That's exactly the state I aim to achieve.

Oh, I READ the news, and try not to see the corporate commercials on my computer screen. I listen to NPR occasionally, and try to ignore their corporate ads. There was a regular WAL-MART ad on NPR for a while.

And I listen to Pacifica, which has no advertising at all. And is, of course, left-wing. ( did you record that, NSA?)


My best wishes for all your uses of your chosen media.

Example from me:

I resisted using any digital means at all in my art for some time. But Photoshop and its descendants have proven useful to me at times, and I have apprenticed myself to them and learned their programs.

And yes-- I have to conserve my eyesight.

But I'm not arguing for my own purity, or trying to seem uncontaminated:

I'm a member of "MySpace", for example, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch!

It's the aspect of CHOICE-- of not having to watch something, that I seek. I have a better chance of avoiding that, and the corporate, pro-war Bush-groomed slant on Internet news from foreign countries-- e.g. the BBC.

I certainly won't argue with anyone's choice in terms of mass media. I speak only for myself.

I can't stop the young Mexican kid from putting the brochure for a free pizza under my doorknob, for instance, even though my door is locked.

In that particular case, I'm pleased to see Pedro getting a few extra bucks to help his immigrant family.


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Post by stilltrucking » June 14th, 2006, 5:06 pm

I certainly won't argue with anyone's choice in terms of mass media. I speak only for myself.
I like this line from a mnaz post. I am think it is my quote of the week or last week
and I've this bad habit of speaking for others in my frustration. It isn't healthy, it isn't zen, if pushed too far
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I am not cruel, only truthful--- The eye of a little god,
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Post by Zlatko Waterman » June 14th, 2006, 5:29 pm

Dear All:

In the interest of fairness, I post the essay below. Paul Levinson is Professor of Mass Communications at Fordham University in New York. He has published scholarly books as well as five science-fiction novels-- the sf with some of the top publishers in that genre and the scholarly books likewise. He is also a "MySpace" friend of mine and we e-mail back and forth fairly often. Those of you who have visited my MySpace site know I have even done a painting for the cover of one of his books. I posted that image here, also, I think.

At any rate, here's Paul's view on the subject of the worth of television.

It's a point of view I don't agree with, as you probably suspected.

( paste of essay below)

ONLY IDIOTS DON'T WATCH TV

by Paul Levinson


Sunday, June 11, 2006


It used to be called the "idiot box" -- and still is. Critics have been muttering for years that we're a nation of "vidiots," that television's been rotting our brains. But who are the idiots now? People who saw Rome on HBO this Fall? The opening credits alone were a masterpiece of music and animation. Or perhaps the video dopes are those who have been watching the next-to-concluding season of The Sopranos, or watched the past three seasons of The Wire, or I forget how many seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm, or Da Ali G Show -- many award-winning, all also on HBO. Who are the nitwits now? People who saw or missed those shows?



It's not all cable -- the networks have been enjoying a golden age, too. Lost on ABC and 24 on Fox are two prime examples. And in all cases, the availability of these series on DVD, which allows the viewer to see multiple episodes of a series without commercial interruption, is fueling the new excellence of television.



But it's not entirely new, either. There have been great programs throughout TV's history, ranging from Have Gun, Will Travel to Star Trek to All in the Family to Hill Street Blues to ER, to name just a representative sampling.



What's different now, though, are the wings of new media -- which, rather than flying away from television, are lifting it to new heights. Not only cable and DVDs, but IPODs which offer downloadable episodes are making television easier to watch and better. Why better? Because when people were obligated to watch television on inflexible schedules dictated by the networks, many shows were pitched to the lowest common denominator. The cardinal rule of that first, now bygone, age of television was "thou shalt not offend or confuse." But when people can see television on their own schedules -- whether via on-demand cable, or DVD, or TiVo, or IPODs -- television can take chances. It can cater to more than individual tastes. Like books and movies, TV can take risks to achieve greatness. For my money, The Sopranos has been every bit as troublingly splendid as The Godfather saga.



Back in the 1960s, Marshall McLuhan applied the term "rear-view mirror" to help explain our perception of new media . He meant that we see new technology through lenses ground in the past. The automobile was first called "the horseless carriage" and radio "the wireless" before they broke free of their pasts, attained names in their own right, and claimed their destiny.



How many people who still think TV is only for idiots are looking at it through a rear-view mirror, looking at it backward, focused on network domination which is no longer the case? Maybe TV needs a new name.



But by television or any other name, the much-maligned tube is finally achieving its potential not only to entertain - but inspire.



It used to be thought that watching television distracted us from more noble intellectual pursuits like reading. But, to the contrary, it seems that an intellect charged by any medium is all the more hungry for new adventures of the mind. Literacy is on the rise. Harry Potter and The Da Vinci Code are happening in an age of television. Its rising tide will likely be lifting many more boats to come.

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