Sunday Stream (15) ~ Death Stalks the Planet

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Sunday Stream (15) ~ Death Stalks the Planet

Post by mtmynd » January 9th, 2005, 11:19 am

So Death stalks the Planet...

... and we weep, we fear, we shudder at the loss. But nature must respond to change, the eternal constant, and that ultimately is death of what we see as matter...matter evolving into something else, a reassembling of molecular structure into another form.

We don't cry out to our gods begging for answers as to why over an estimated 100,000 Iraqis have died, but we question the benevolence of a god that would allow over 150,000 people to die from the tsunami, not to mention the deaths from lack of fresh water and food mixed with disease in its aftermath.

We humans are very proud of ourselves. We pay little attention to the natural world around us. How many of we 'civilized' humans that dwell in the large cities of the world have seen the stars that shine above us every night? How many of us pay any attention to the animals that share our planet? It is been noted that the majority of animals, the beasts, the birds and the fish, and quite possibly the insects, escaped death from the disaster... all but the domesticated animals that were in zoos or tethered by man for man's use.

How many human lives could have been saved if they were to pay attention to the natural world, the fleeing of the animals, the flights of birds..? It wouldn't take an enormous amount of intelligence to pay attention to these things fleeing in the silence to higher ground before all hell broke loose, but we humans seem to pay little attention to this world that we inhabit. We are so consumed by our own minds that we rank the animal kingdom far, far below the family of man.

We are convinced that our gods have given us this planet and all the other life forms to do with as we please. We are the best of the best... after all it is we that have spoken to the gods, it is we that have the power to destroy, the power to create... just like God. We are created in his image, by god! We have written it and taken it to heart. We see the beasts of the earth and call them dumb. "They cannot defend themselves from man - how stupid can they be?" That is our own stupidity at work. Until we realize that 'god-consciousness' within, we can never understand being 'created in his image'...

We have not yet evolved enough to accept our consciousness. It has been only those that have come face-to-face with their own Self that can truly say "we are created in the image of god." But those who have experience this are yet but few. Our species have a long time to go before we can set our selves free from our doubts and fears, free from our religions and philosophies, free from our conditionings and suspicions. We have to continue in the struggle of life, it's sufferings, to attain our 'god consciousness' - the gift that allows us the freedom to live once again in that garden of eden that was not lost, but never realized, as hinted at in books of old.

Consciousness is the eternal...the realization that all of life is but a peculiar vessel for consciousness to play out its act at 'this' moment, be it thru a human, a plant, a fish, a bird, a mammal. And we are at times totally unaware of this 'part' we have been given to play, and indeed separate ourselves from the rest of life as one in an audience watching the drama unfold before us as we sit in our comfortable chairs, in the darkened theater, our tickets paid for, critiquing the rolls we see being acted out. The truth is in this theater we too are staged like all upon the stage, for the stage is all that we can envision, no matter how it is envisioned. We cannot truly separate ourselves from any of it, for we are all part and parcel of it all in its entirety.

Each and every one life form is ultimately connected to all others that exists...our matter-life changing from one form to another in an endless cycle of birth-death-rebirth.

When seen in that context, why do we fear? Why do we hate? Why do we carry such negativity within us. We accept ourselves for what we are, but could we be accepting something sick inside us, something out of balance, as being 'what we are'? We do have the ability to fine-hone our being, to create ourselves into masterpieces. Given our gift of intellect we can certainly rise above our stupidities, our selfishness, our greed....but most of us remain sick and accept our sickness as our gift from life. How ridiculous! Why would any creator create a failure?

Why does a star explode? Why does a meteor collide into a planet? Why do the constellations revolve, implode, give birth to new stars. That is part of the great mystery that leaves us humble before existence. When we fill our minds with all that we can, it is only then that we must empty it and feel the presence of all that we learned run silently out of our minds into the flow of eternity. At that moment of release, we touch the mystery and become one with it. Then we begin filling the mind again, a little more selectively, for we have gained a new perspective, our mind vessel has altered. We no longer need that which we had. We seek out something new to sustain us...that is how we grow. We cannot continue sucking on mother's milk. That is only for the baby to gain a foothold into life... the child needs other nourishment's to continue forward, and we need new nourishment to feed the growth of both our bodies and our minds in order to realize our Self.
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Post by stilltrucking » January 10th, 2005, 10:27 pm

'god-consciousness' within, we can never understand being 'created in his image'...


It has been only those that have come face-to-face with their own Self that can truly say "we are created in the image of god."


When seen in that context, why do we fear? Why do we hate? Why do we carry such negativity within us. We accept ourselves for what we are, but could we be accepting something sick inside us, something out of balance, as being 'what we are'? We do have the ability to fine-hone our being, to create ourselves into masterpieces. Given our gift of intellect we can certainly rise above our stupidities, our selfishness, our greed....but most of us remain sick and accept our sickness as our gift from life. How ridiculous! Why would any creator create a failure?


... the child needs other nourishments to continue forward, and we need new nourishments to feed the growth of both our bodies and our minds in order to realize our Self.
Bubble boy is back, husserl wants to ,bracketthe world (space bar sticking sorry, going to change keyboards and fix this later)

Husserl wants me to see the world again as a child, probably the closest I have ever been to knowing who I was. Husserl talks of brackets I think of bubbles, this thing called fear is a gift that is easily corrupted by adults in our lives, when we were still innocent and trusting babes I think, my bubble is getting thin, that surface tension that keeps stilltrucking coherent, all these precious bubbles of humanity, so easy to pop, so unique every one the same but that little bit of content, the personal history of our accident of birth, years ago i had some buddhist roommates in college, but I did not want to hear about it, I wanted ressurection of my body, my personality.
Timely post for me compadre, gracias

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Post by WIREMAN » January 12th, 2005, 11:09 pm

It is ever present and stalks us all, yet deep down realizations,
several times enlightened, let me know there is much more......mark

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Post by stilltrucking » January 13th, 2005, 10:21 am

I don't know for sure that I have ever been enlightened, seems presumptious for someone like me to claim enlightenment, as self envolved as I am becoming it seems as if I have been de-lightened, but whatever you call it the one final thought that always brings me back from the edge, and the one that i would like to be on my mind when I do die, is
let me know there is much more......


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Post by perezoso » January 24th, 2005, 10:04 pm

Roshi-Tex--

Don't ya think the tsunami is, unfortunately, pretty clear evidence of the absence of any transcendent Being or mystical realm or God? If any Gods existed--including say some pantheist or Hindu sort of jazz--what sort of Beings would they be for bringing about this sort of thing, Roshi-Tex? Pretty nasty and malevolent Beings. Indeed the protestants who have viewed the tsunami in religious terms are not only unethical and wrong, they must say that all disasters and wars and plagues are caused by "God." Thus "God" is pretty much indistinguishable from , uh, El Diablo, as Melville speculated.....

The shame is that the warning systems do exist but that the 3rd world did not have them.

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Post by mtmynd » January 25th, 2005, 3:01 am

Perezoso - it seems you ridicule the existence of "god" simply because "he" allows the seemingly senseless destruction of man. That is the flip-side of the same Judeo/Christian belief system that has permeated most of the world. Why not simply view the existence of a greater power than ourselves doing what is necessary in the completeness of all of life? Life is what is everlasting, not the human condition.

"god" is not human's private property and owes no special allegiance to us, IMHO, of course...

Thanks for your comment.

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Post by perezoso » January 25th, 2005, 1:58 pm

The Same could be said for you--you seemingly recognize the existence of some higher power, Roshi-Tex, or God that has no problem wiping off 200,000 humans with one wave. I'd say the burden is on you to prove the existence of this higher power. Nature and evolution may take very complex and even beautiful forms but that does not prove a designer.

And my point is that if such a Higher Power existed then he is in no way "just" or benevolent and thus is indistinguishable from a demonic force. Thus He/it/she does not exist.

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Post by stilltrucking » January 26th, 2005, 12:22 am

Very logical herr professor

"So far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain. And as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
Geometry ANd Experience. AE


mention Freud and someone will say oh yeah cocaine,
mention Einstein and oh yeah he wrote FDR to build the bomb
mention Sylvia Plath and ...
she had this bit in the bell jar when she was at the professor's apartment
about his books that that had equations set artistically on the pages like poems
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Stephen Unwin calculates the probability that God exists at 67 percent. I have no idea who he is. I was googling for that eguation you posted somewhere that proved the non existence of G-d.
"If you have a hammer, you tend to see every problem in terms of a nail," he said jokingly in an interview.
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/long022604.html

Higher power
, how about a lower power
something meaning less about saying higher power, do you mean supernatural, I been getting more clear about this G-d thing, it seems as simple as saying it is all G-d everything there is nothing outside inside outside above below, and it is all here now. and I been getting used to the idea that I am wrong about everything,
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Post by mtmynd » January 26th, 2005, 11:58 am

perezoso - your comment, "I'd say the burden is on you to prove the existence of this higher power," I find rather amusing. Why would the "burden" fall upon me?

You are, or at least see yourself as, an intellectual which is all fine and good. However when we speak of such things as 'god' or 'higher power' intellectualizing such topics fails to grasp that these subjects do not fit within the context of 'intellect'. Intellect becomes 'pseudo' for the context of 'god' is not intellectual property, per se, simply because one cannot put 'god' , 'higher power' or even 'love' under a microscope and measure it properties.

When we speak of 'god' we are in turn speaking of a/the quality of 'love'. 'God' or 'love' cannot be measured by an outside observor... one who is outside the context of the experience. A turd can be viewed as an object and therefore measured and analyzed for its properties... its origins, its weight and density, its composition, the width, height and depth... these are the attributes that intellect looks for to prove the existence of the turd. What does the intellect use to measure the depth, length, breadth and longevity of love/god/consciousness?

Can I 'prove' in the existence of this 'god-essence' that permeates all of existence? Many of tried and many of gone mad in attempting to lasso this "essence' and intellectualize it. It is not a subject for the intellect and never has been. This 'higher power' is so-called 'higher' simply because it requires a 'higher consciousness' beyond 'intellect' to comprehend.

I personally find the burden of proving the existence of 'god' to be both a waste of time for the both of us - if you have never loved how can I or anyone else possibly convince you of the wonderful feeling, the inescapable joy that arises out of love? It is futile, and to do so would reduce intelligence to that of a psuedo-intellectualizing parlor game that would only benefit the short term span of the ego.... something I feel you can certainly relate to. :wink:

Thank you for your interest in this post, amigo.

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Post by perezoso » January 26th, 2005, 12:35 pm

How do you ( or we) know that your mystical visions are not the product of a mental illness, Rasputin- Tex?

IF you have no objective or even intersubjective means of establishing the truth of your mystical experiences, you are just another madman visionary---about like a Manson, tho I don't think you've ordered any deaths yet, have ya....

Equating logic to egoism and "parlor tricks" is also another common mistake of mystics....it's not about "me"-- it's about the absurdity of mystical views in a world of plagues, disasters, poverty, wars. etc. And this wasn't about love--it was about mystical, deist or theological entities--or the lack thereof.

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Post by mtmynd » January 26th, 2005, 1:45 pm

ah, perezoso, you defend yourself with assumptions placed upon quixotic presuppositions, are you not? With tags like 'roshi-tex' and 'rasputin-tex' it is clear to me that you follow my tracks with a great deal of suspicion, afraid that I may lead you into a pitfall from which you might not recover! :wink:

Fear not, lad, for my words obviously ring hollow within your psuedo-intellectualism and will not deter you from your course of misaligned observations made upon my character simply through the language that I have chosen to relate my opinions to the audience that takes the time to read these Streams of mine. But I must admit that I am somewhat flattered that whatever it is I write it does cause a ripple of response from you.

"Mystics" is an antiquated word that does an injustice to those of us that have experienced 'higher' levels of consciousness than yourself... a word that connotes a negative overtone... not that this is of great concern to me, considering the source, mind you.

And yes, it has everything to do with "love." As you may or may not be aware, perezoso, the word "god" is repeatedly related to the word "love" in any language that uses that chosen word, whether it be what you refer to as a "mystical, deist or theological entities--or the lack thereof ."

Again, thank you for taking time out from your schedule and posting your words.

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Post by perezoso » January 26th, 2005, 1:58 pm

Not only is your writing chock full of grammatical and rhetorical infelicities, your logic is off as well. Nothing pseudo-intellectual about asking mystics or theists or religious people to justify their beliefs. That's called supporting your claims with evidence, boyo. What is pseudo--intellectual, arrogant, and really sinful in the traditional sense is trying to force one's own private mystical visions (which may or may not be dementia) onto other people as if you, and only you, knew the truth--which, unfortunately, you don't.

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Post by Doreen Peri » January 26th, 2005, 2:20 pm

Mister Perezoso-

Here's the logic. Pure and simple.

A man seeking logical answers will not get them by questioning mysticism or theism. By definition, neither are logical. They are based on belief. Belief is not logical.

So, logically speaking, what I am reading here is a non-argument initiated by someone who is attempting to pursue logic in regards to the pure and simple illogic of belief.

Having said that, I haven't had time yet to read the original post so I'm not familiar with whatever beliefs are expressed. (It's on my reading list, though. Soon, I will.)

I am only replying to your replies, perezoso, which are completely illogical given the definitions of logic, mysticism, and theism. Similarly, dementia is not a logical state of being. Those who suffer from dementia are, by definition, illogical. So, if you want to accuse Cecil of dementia because you don't find his premises or conclusions or thoughts expressed as logical, you are spinning your wheels, are you not?

If you are looking for logical answers, this is not a logical place to ask your questions.

To change the topic for just one moment, calling someone "boyo" and accusing them of dementia is not very respectful and logically speaking, since the only requirement for posting on this site is to respect each other, I respectfully ask you to discuss the topic only and not use such deflamatory terminologies and accusations. Thank you!
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Cecil - Thanks for your continued posting of your Sunday Streams. I always enjoy them and they always widen my perspective of spirituality. I'll be back to read this after I finish working, which is the logical thing for me to do right now. To every thing, there is a season.

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Post by perezoso » January 26th, 2005, 2:45 pm

Beliefs are a matter of logic, or rather illogic. A fundamentalist who objects to modern medicine may refuse getting the proper treatment for his children; the logical thing would have been to take his kids to the doctor but because of his irrational beliefs, he lets them get sick or die--this has happened with "Xtian scientists." Moronic fundies may use an irrational book such as Revelations to guide their decision making process; a muslim pilot who thinks Allah will guide him neglects the safety of his passengers and the plane explodes ( this happened in Saudi about 20 years ago). Many people make illogical foolish decisions because they believe in astrology.

Skeptics have the rights to voice their opinions as well.

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