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Post by mtmynd » December 6th, 2009, 12:18 am

Barry writes -

"Why you would infer this..."

"Did you mean to say "one" and "they" in the same sentence?"

"And the "semi-like-minded" part is difficult to puzzle out as well."
Use your imagination, Barry, instead of relying on me to explain every word I write. You know the intent of what is written. If you are truly having a problem understanding "semi-like-minded" we shouldn't be having this discussion.
Barry -
I am who I am. I do what I do.
I'm not impressed. Are you?
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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 3:39 am

Civilization and its Discontents
A cheerful book if there ever was one. :wink:

That quote from Ehrenreich was an eye opener for me. I have a couple of reasons why I started another thread here with it. One was vanity, the other was fear.
well anyway I am talking to you Nazz.
I hope I have not caused you any distress
by messing with your shit.
I hope you well accept my apology if I did.
sincerely
jt

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Post by Doreen Peri » December 6th, 2009, 9:07 am

Jack,

I've asked 3 times I think on this thread... Maybe more....

Who said "I believe in human evolution"?

And on what thread? Link please?

One of my pet peeves is being ignored. I start to get pissed off. LOL!

Thank you for answering me.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 9:56 am

Sorry Doreen
It was said on your culture thread about afghanistan
I thought mnaz answered your question above.
mnaz wrote:
I said it.
Energy and The Evolution of Culture was a text book I used in 1972 at U of MD college park.
EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE MAY BE Described in terms of energy. Galaxies, stars, molecules and atoms may be regarded as organizations of energy. Living organisms may be looked upon as engines which operate by means of energy derived directly or indirectly from the sun. The civilizations, or cultures of mankind, also, may be regarded as a form of organization of energy. Culture is an organization of phenomena-material objects, bodily acts, ideas, and sentiments which consists of or is dependent upon the use of symbols. Man, being the only animal capable of symbol-behavior, is the only creature to possess culture. Culture is a kind of behavior. And behavior, whether of man, mule, plant, comet or molecule, may be treated as a manifestation of energy. Thus we see, on all levels of reality, that phenomena lend themselves to description and interpretation in terms of energy. Cultural anthropology is that branch of natural science which deals with matter-and-motion, i.e., energy, phenomena in cultural form, as biology deals with them in cellular, and physics in atomic, form.

The purpose of culture is to serve the needs of man. These needs are of two kinds: (1) those which can be served or satisfied by drawing upon resources within the human organism alone. Singing, dancing, myth-making, forming clubs or associations for the sake of companionship, etc., illustrate this kind of needs and ways of satisfying them. (2) The second class of needs can be satisfied only by drawing upon the resources of the external world, outside the human organism. Man must get his food from the external world. The tools, weapons, and other materials with which man provides himself with food, shelter from the elements, protection from his enemies, must likewise come from the external world. The satisfaction of spiritual and aesthetic needs through singing, dancing, myth-making, etc., is possible, however, only if man's bodily needs for food, shelter, and defense are met. Thus the whole cultural structure depends upon the material, mechanical means with which man articulates himself with the earth. Furthermore, the satisfaction of human needs from "inner resources" may be regarded as a constant,° the satisfaction of needs from the outer resources a variable. Therefore, in our discussion of cultural development we may omit consideration of the constant factor and deal only with the variable-the material, mechanical means with which man exploits the resources of nature.
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All living beings struggle to live, to perpetuate their respective kinds. In the human species the struggle for survival assumes the cultural form. The human struggle for existence expresses itself in a never-ending attempt to make of culture a more effective instrument with which to provide security of life and survival of the species. And one of the ways of making culture a more powerful instrument is to harness and to put to work within it more energy per capita per year. Thus, wind, and water and fire are harnessed; animals are domesticated, plants cultivated; steam engines are built. The other way of improving culture as an instrument of adjustment and control is to invent new and better tools and improve old ones. Thus energy for culture-living and culture-building is augmented in quantity, is expended more efficiently, and culture advances.

Thus we know, not only how culture evolves, but why, as well. The urge, inherent in all living species, to live, to make life more secure, more rich, more full, to insure the perpetuation of the species, seizes upon, when it does not produce, better (i.e., more effective) means of living and surviving. In the case of man, the biological urge to live, the power to invent and to discover, the ability to select and use the better of two tools or ways of doing something-these are the factors of cultural evolution. Darwin could tell us the consequences of variations, but he could not tell us how these variations were produced. We know the motive force as well as the means of cultural evolution. The culturologist knows more about cultural evolution than the biologist, even today, knows about biological evolution.

ibid
It kind of ties in with what cecil was saying about every government would do the same and also what nazz is saying about the real reasons for the war. I was not trying to sucker punch mark by starting a thread here. At least I don't think so. I have so much respect for him as a writer. I suppose I was calling him out on it. But without malice of forethought.
I question my motives, I think it was vanity that led me to start another thread not enmity.

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Post by Doreen Peri » December 6th, 2009, 12:28 pm

Oh OK. Sorry. I missed it. Thanks!

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Post by Barry » December 6th, 2009, 5:55 pm

It's like this, Cecil.

Nothing is unsolvable.

Complex, when you stop and think about it, is mostly very simple.

You speak of leading from darkness into light?

You speak of widom and knowledge?

You speak of impressing and being impressed?

"Lead, follow or get out of the way," Cecil.

Which one most applies to or impresses you?

I'm not wise and never claimed to be. Ask the Oracle.;)

Peace,
Barry
PS: Yes, Cecil, your intent is very plain, and has been all along.

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Post by Arcadia » December 6th, 2009, 6:37 pm

I love this kind of threads: I never have an estabilizada idea of what you are talking about...! :lol:

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Post by Doreen Peri » December 6th, 2009, 6:41 pm

Arcadia wrote:I love this kind of threads: I never have an estabilizada idea of what you are talking about...! :lol:
:lol: :shock: LOL!!!
me too!

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Post by Barry » December 6th, 2009, 8:48 pm

It's simple, really. Cecil thinks he knows who I am. He thinks he knows what I do. He knows neither, just shoots crap in the dark. He thinks I'm impressed with myself because that he understands. It's not at all complex.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 8:59 pm

Cecil doesn't know who you are
But you know who I am, dont you barry?

I know who you are barry, I recognize you from your smiling face you are the guy who sucker punched me in astoria oregon in 1976. go ahead barry kick me in the balls
tell me barry what don't you want to hear
go ahead delete this



Barry what is it that you don't want to hear?
Barry you use such violent metaphors
you accuse me of abusing you
you say to me
"you sucker punched me:
"go ahead and kick me in the balls"

makes me wonder
did I ever accuse you of anything?
Not sure what I have done to earn your enmity
Just my karma
I can live with that.
I reap the whirlwind of my own past acts and words of violence against others I suppose.

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17724


Cecil I try to remember your comment about us being well oiled. But maybe if he would change his avatar I might be able to move on.

I am sorry doreen have I hajacked my own thread again? just delete this or move it to creative complaints if you think it best. I am not being snide
I got my own little case of ptsd with him, I let him meme me. I look at his smiling face and feel the bones breaking and taste the blood.
For a peaceful guy he uses such violent metaphors.

I want to be the change
that I want to see in the world
it starts in my own heart
"lord help me jesus
I know what I am"
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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 9:17 pm

"water on duck's wing
we are all well oiled
drilling is for naught
jack - seriousness is not for the birds, but only we beasts driven by
our
egos into our own circles
mtmynd to me a long time ago.

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Post by Doreen Peri » December 6th, 2009, 9:29 pm

Sorry, Jack, but your post is really strange. To me, anyway.

Barry isn't the guy who sucker punched you in Astoria Oregon in 1976. Why in the world are you saying this stuff? Barry met me on Arcanum Cafe several years ago and I invited him here. He never met you until he came here. It's been THIRTY years since 1976. No, 39 years.

I suspect Barry was only 5 years old in 1976 but then again, I don't really know his age. But just saying... He wasn't the guy who sucker punched you in Astoria, Oregon.

What's your problem here?
I look at his smiling face and feel the bones breaking and taste the blood.
You don't like Barry because he's a handsome guy with a smiling face? You don't like his avatar?

Geesh. Well... That's too bad. I'm assuming that's what he looks like. He likes to smile. So what? What's his smile got to do with you?



stilltrucking wrote:Cecil doesn't know who you are
But you know who I am, dont you barry?

I know who you are barry, I recognize you from your smiling face you are the guy who sucker punched me in astoria oregon in 1976. go ahead barry kick me in the balls
tell me barry what don't you want to hear
go ahead delete this



Barry what is it that you don't want to hear?
Barry you use such violent metaphors
you accuse me of abusing you
you say to me
"you sucker punched me:
"go ahead and kick me in the balls"

makes me wonder
did I ever accuse you of anything?
Not sure what I have done to earn your enmity
Just my karma
I can live with that.
I reap the whirlwind of my own past acts and words of violence against others I suppose.

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17724


Cecil I try to remember your comment about us being well oiled. But maybe if he would change his avatar I might be able to move on.

I am sorry doreen have I hajacked my own thread again? just delete this or move it to creative complaints if you think it best. I am not being snide
I got my own little case of ptsd with him, I let him meme me. I look at his smiling face and feel the bones breaking and taste the blood.
For a peaceful guy he uses such violent metaphors.

I want to be the change
that I want to see in the world
it starts in my own heart
"lord help me jesus
I know what I am"

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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 9:44 pm

what I am saying is that he has ranted and raved at me for months now he accuses me of sucker punching him of kicking him in the balls of not being a patriot, of being cynical. Even on this thread he holds me up as an example to mnaz as one of those creeps who messes with his shit. Tell me what he means when he says to mnaz he rests his case.

He smiles at me and pisses on my leg constantly. I am trying to understand what I have done to earn his emnity. I think it started when I used the word "bastard" Refering to the USA as the mother of all bastard nations because of all the immigrants who have found a home here. Maybe it is a poor word choice. Maybe I should have used the word "mongrel"

Tell me what he meant by this Doreen. Speaking of your questions going unanswered. He never answered you on that. I will tell you who he is talking about. Me.

Doreen asked Barry
Barry wrote:
I rest my case.

They're always gonna be around.

The discontented, trying to mess up other people's shit.

Peace,
Barry


What do you mean? Was it ME who said that?

OK.. so I'm disoriented. Just messing with your shit.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 9:50 pm

I don't have PTSD, not like a combat veteran I don't but even so
I know he is not that guy in Astoria, but I will never forget how that guy came up to me with a real friendly smile and hurt me. The way a combat veteran might hear a car backfire and get flash backs. That is what I am saying Doreen. I wish he would change his avatar or leave me alone. I get flash backs evertime I wind up on the same thread as he

I wish he would stop smiling at me and pissing on my leg. But I suppose I got it coming. Just my karma
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Post by stilltrucking » December 6th, 2009, 9:52 pm

Just a guy thing I suppose
don't worry about it Doreen
not that you were.
I tried to talk to him about all this on his artblog
but he deleted my post
I suppose it was one of those things he don't want to hear.

He accused me of sucker punching him doreen,
and whammo I flashed back to the guy in astoria and how he smiled at me just like barry's avatar

If I make no sense to you I am sorry I have done my best for you to tell you what is happening between me and barry I never attacked him, I was never looking for a fight with him.
he just did not like my questions.
I guess he thinks I sucker punched mnaz.

I am out of here
no more
no more
I am done with this
"smiling faces sometimes"
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