I want ot talk about evolution and human potential

[Barry]

Wow, Cecil, you just quoted Ronald Reagan in the Reagan-Carter debates.

What I'm doing, Cecil, is discussion. Maybe you're getting pissed off because someone has the audacity to differ with you. As is your typical wont, you make many broad assumptions as regards my motives, like these are something you can know. You don't know, Cecil. You haven't the foggiest idea. Everything you just typed makes this clear. You use words like "obvious" and "clueless" and "threatened" and "incapable," when I in no way made such characterizations of you. I said "I think..." some things about what you meant. You make pseudo-authoritative judgements of me as a person, when you have no basis on which to make these judgements.

Yeah, Cecil, you're right. I should shut up. You go on and tell us all what's what.

Peace,
Barry

[stilltrucking]

I used to be a fish.
Carp have so many bones

I don't know anything about the human potential movement Cecil. I am going to check it out. I was using it in a very vague kind of way. As to what we could become. If evolution has no definite plans for us, I mean except for just another life form trying to survive. Maybe there is something to the flash evolution thing.

We are beoming as gods I think. What did the cat in the bible say, was it Jesus who said "had ye faith you could move mountains" We dam sure moving mountains, the Consolidated Coal company doing it all the time in Appalachia.

We got the power to tinker with our genome. I was in a used bookstore and I saw a book titled Brave New World, wow I wanted it but on closer inspection the author was not Aldous Huxley but Pat Robertson; shit. I said.

I got a post up above this ramble which is sort of in the direction of where I am trying to go with this.

Thinking about normal, what is normal? Thinking about the bell curve and how we could begin tinkering with our genomes for desired traits. I don't guess it will ever happen in a rational way. Who will play god? The way it is going now it is the invisible hand of the market place. I love that phrase the invisible hand of the market place the chemical manufacturers association

I sure wish I had children. It is hard to take an interest in the future without them.
Unless you are a teacher. What a way blessed way to make a living, I envy judih and arcadia. There used to be a lot of teachers here. Whatever happened to ratbag. Wasn't he a teacher too?

[Doreen Peri]

....... sighhh.......

wish there was more topic, less personally perceived slights...

[stilltrucking]

I miss peevette.

[stilltrucking]

I got shitty karma
What did I do to deserve this,
the chickens are coming home to roost
for every thread I ever highjacked on studio eight and litkicks

as I was saying



I used to believe in the bell curve
it is lonely out on the tail ends
that is why one percenters are always forming motorcycle clubs I suppose.

I wanted to be warm and comfy
in the big hump in the middle
I was born to follow
I never thought I would wind up like this.
The prisions are full of freaks like me
I used to think maybe I had two y chromosomes.



The bell jar was like a mystical symbol of a a new religion for me.
one standard deviation over the line. I thought it you plot any human variable it would always fall on the bell curve. Now some creationist friends of mine tell me that is not true. Another scientific myth they say.



Quote:
Who is Barbara Ehrenreich??

Just some writer, I picked up a book by her for a quater at a used book store. Zlatko used to quote her a lot. She is a pretty astute observer of the human condition. in my opinion.

Blood Rites Origins and History of The Passions of War
by Barbara Ehrenreich.

Well what has this got to do with evolution and human potential you might ask?

and then I said

I used to be a fish.
Carp have so many bones

I don't know anything about the human potential movement Cecil. I am going to check it out. I was using it in a very vague kind of way. As to what we could become. If evolution has no definite plans for us, I mean except for just another life form trying to survive. Maybe there is something to the flash evolution thing.

We are beoming as gods I think. What did the cat in the bible say, was it Jesus who said "had ye faith you could move mountains" We dam sure moving mountains, the Consolidated Coal company doing it all the time in Appalachia.

We got the power to tinker with our genome. I was in a used bookstore and I saw a book titled Brave New World, wow I wanted it but on closer inspection the author was not Aldous Huxley but Pat Robertson; shit. I said.

I got a post up above this ramble which is sort of in the direction of where I am trying to go with this.

Thinking about normal, what is normal? Thinking about the bell curve and how we could begin tinkering with our genomes for desired traits. I don't guess it will ever happen in a rational way. Who will play god? The way it is going now it is the invisible hand of the market place. I love that phrase the invisible hand of the market place the chemical manufacturers association

I sure wish I had children. It is hard to take an interest in the future without them.
Unless you are a teacher. What a way blessed way to make a living, I envy judih and arcadia. There used to be a lot of teachers here. Whatever happened to ratbag. Wasn't he a teacher too?

[Doreen Peri]

I miss peevette.

Yeah, she seemed very nice. I think she posted here several times. Not that many posts. Barely got to know her. 5 years ago or so. She had an avatar playing a large stringed instrument. What was it? A cello? Something like that.

[mnaz]

This is a path mankind has been on for quite a long time, but perhaps this 'flash' is the extraordinary moments when the technology know-how comes to fruition (hu'man potential)... the discovery of the wheel, the discovery of the plow, of gunpowder, the gun, steam power, etc, etc., the way I see it. What say ye?

-- Cecil.

I agree that breakthrough moments have occurred at many points along the timeline. What I was mostly getting at is the exponential, “quantum leap” nature of all manner of breakthroughs very recently on the timeline—the extraordinary possibilities, challenges and dangers this “explosion” has presented. For example, when we invented gunpowder centuries ago, it revolutionized warfare, but it was still only a progression of guns and cannons getting better and more powerful, as patterns of cyclic warfare making use of these “improving” weapons rolled on. When the technology explosion really took off last century we built nuclear weapons, capable of many more orders of magnitude destructive force, and suddenly we found ourselves with the potential capacity to “destroy the world” in a literal sense, so we had to realize fairly quickly that we couldn’t simply continue the same patterns of cyclic warfare using these new, vastly more powerful weapons. That's the main example I thought about, but I could probably come up with others.

And Barry, I like your brainstorming session—I think there’s something to your ideas of which genes tend to proliferate and which tend not to, and I think it’s kind of unfortunate. But honestly, I don’t see where Cecil was only trying to be argumentative. I think he was trying to comment on your thoughts, that’s all.

[stilltrucking]

Yeah Cello, at first I thought it was a nude picture of her playing it.

Her son in the marine corp serving in Afghanistan. She was cool. I remember once she said something like "I think Doreen is trying to tell us she is not the boss on studio eight"

[mtmynd]

mnaz: "What I was mostly getting at is the exponential, “quantum leap” nature of all manner of breakthroughs very recently on the timeline—the extraordinary possibilities, challenges and dangers this “explosion” has presented."

I hear you. These times are exponential, including our exponential growth as a species, spreading out all across the earth, inhabiting more area than any other species has. Our knowledge of life has grown along with this growth of our kind.

Do you think that our times, which we see as being huge in possibilities, challenges and the dangers you speak of, are but yet another stepping stone for mankind in our knowledge to far greater possibilities, challenges and dangers than we encounter today? A mere 50 years from today, 2060 (!), you and I and our peers will look as antiquated as those characters we see in movies from the 40's and 50's... far different culture born of the times to survive the times.

[Barry]

I think there’s something to your ideas of which genes tend to proliferate and which tend not to

That's all I was saying.

and I think it’s kind of unfortunate.

I do, too.

Peace,
Barry

[stilltrucking]

Pseudoscience/psychobabble
The first class of criticism of the HPM comes from researchers in psychology, medicine, and science, who often dismiss the movement as grounded in pseudoscience and overusing psychobabble.[citation needed] Such critics regard any efficacy as explicable entirely as a placebo. Richard Feynman's response to his visit to Esalen expressed this sort of criticism. (See Feynman's 1974 Caltech commencement address for his development of the term cargo cult science and the description of his visit to Esalen.)

wicki

Eternal Return and sour grapes
So after the draft board turned me down when I tried to do my patriotic chores after the Gulf of Tonkin incident I became a conscientious objector to the war in vietnam which must be sort of ironic because I was already four f. Ironic is another word that escapes me. Recursive another word.
"In the begining was the word, and the word was recursive"

So as I move up to the podium to accept my Darwin award for improving the human genome by not being fruitful and multiplying I thank god for Neitzsche and Mrs Brotherton my fith grade teacher. Yes even though I was sad I realize not having children worked out for the best. I might have killed one of them in a fit of homicidal rage.

Thinking about the guy in Michigan who strangled his mother did eight years in some institution for the criminally insane and when he was all cured they let him go. And he moved to texas where he claimed to have killed another 140 women but the cops say he was bragging they doubted he killed more that twenty.
What was his name it escapes me at the moment.

Sylvia Plath would understand I am sure she does in fact.

"I will him to be ordinary
it is the exception that interests the devil
and makes him climb his sorrowful hill
and hurt his mother's heart

It is a brave new world the children live in.

I knew in the 5th grade it was going to be this way.
I live my life backwards
remember it forward
Something else I knew coming back to me
"This is it"
I discovered that when I was twelve."

If only I had Kerouac's talent
I could get away with my narcissism

"the world has no meaning except for how it unfolds for me"

Kerouac, mangled quote from geezer memory

Yes it is true
I suffer from the Norman Bates Syndrome
I am a hell of a nice guy
I would not hurt a fly.

Sorry about all this what you are all saying is way more interesting to me than this crap.

I never thought I was going to wind up a priest and dharma bum.

[stilltrucking]

Sorry about this thread
I probably should have posted it to my artlog
but you know vanity r me

What drove me to join The Religious Society of Ducks (aka the Quackers) was not my homicidal temper. But my cold blooded thinking after that guy sucker punched me in Astoria. A real wake up call for me. That was in 1976. Since than I have only had thoughts of cold blooded murder about two other men. Once in Houston in 1982 and again in Laredo in 1984.

Oh yes amazing grace that saved a wretch like me.

So give me my f*kking Darwin award
and I will toddle on to my grave
humming to myself that old black gospel song
'All is Well'

Barry Manilow got nothing on me girls.

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[Doreen Peri]

Sorry about this thread
I probably should have posted it to my artlog
but you know vanity r me

I can move it to your artlog if you want. Let me know.

[still.trucking]

I would rather leave it where it is
but going to continue with it on my artblog

hint click on the above