Sunday Stream (228) ~ Leaving Our Mark

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Sunday Stream (228) ~ Leaving Our Mark

Post by mtmynd » December 27th, 2009, 1:58 pm

Leaving Our Mark
Perusing the Streams for this year I come up with 37 of them, #191 thru today's 228. Each year has 52 weeks so that is 15 Sundays I did not write a Stream. Talk about a slackard, eh? I should fire myself. If it wasn't for the money and prestige these Streams bring me I would've folded up the column years ago. But I gotta feed my ego less it shrivel up and die some forgotten death...

What's a man without his ego driving him to leave his mark, like a male dog lifting his leg on every tree, shrub, corner wall and fire hydrant, the mark of the male has to be left somewhere and damn near anywhere they can get away with.

Graffiti has engulfed the country... or more accurately the cities of today. What is a better sign of city life than the ubiquitous graffiti spray painted on every blank wall, on every busy street and quiet alley. Mostly men leaving their mark like the dog. Even smart street speak uses "Hey, Dog!" to address others in the pack.

Sitting at a railroad crossing, lights flashing and bells rings, the long train comes traveling along with dozens of box cars duly marked with unique script announcing the graffiti artist who generously gave their time and talent to leave their mark. Rolling billboards showing off their stylin'... one-of-a-kind art mixed in with spray heads marks of delirium which says nothing other than how fucked up they are when they scribbled their mark on the boxcar... or any other wall that they find. Wall art goes back far into mankind's history as anyone who in interested has seen an so many television shows and art books.

Using colors, including black and white, seem to run parallel with music, even tho music was not recorded prior to 1888, 121 years ago, so we don't know how it sounded other than playing the written notes of older music. The instruments for making music is a fair indicator as to what music sounded like 200 years and more ago. Cave paintings in Lascaux, France date back some 32,000 years. I wonder what music they played back then?

We hu'mans have not only the ability to leave our mark, but do so in some way or another. If there is no mark left, those who carve tombstones will leave our mark for us... there's no way of getting away unless one is absolutely determined to leave nothing... zip!... zero, behind. But with photos, yearbooks, recordings, letters, writings of every kind, plus our progeny... and we can't forget memories some leave behind with others, good or not so good, aiding in "leaving our mark."

We are all born of this earth and leave this earth, not as we found it, but how we made it. No matter how small or how grand, we all contribute to the species we call ourselves, hu'man. We all have our potentiality to expresses our individuality. Unleash it and let it run wild, leaving your mark. It's a very hu'man thing to do.


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12.27.09

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Post by mousey1 » December 27th, 2009, 9:53 pm

Yes. Sounds like a good idea to me. Leave a mark. A memento of my passing through.

So daintily I place my teeny mouse feet, first one, then the other, then the last two, square on the bottom of your page here.

Signifying
that the mouse was here.

She read.
She smiled.
Then she exited stage right.

But not before saying, I hope your Christmas was a great one! And that your New Year will be bright!

I look forward to another 52 streams in the coming year, give or take 15! :P

Keep 'em coming!
I used to walk with my head in the clouds but I kept getting struck by lightning!
Now my head twitches and I drool alot. Anonymouse

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Post by Non Sum » December 28th, 2009, 11:21 am

Thank you, Cecil,
I enjoyed today’s musings. Which sent my MTmynd a’musing up on yours. Give me a sec to shake my spray-paint can, and I’ll share what I can:

Leaving a ‘mark’ marks well the human desire for profane human immortality. ‘Tis the elusive, contradictory goal of holding what is immortal within our mortal hands, or in a paint can. But, catch one glimpse of your own true divinity, and concern for the merely mortal shell falls away forever.

“Whence this pleasing hope, this fond desire,
This longing after immortality?

‘Tis the divinity that stirs within us;
‘Tis heaven itself, that points out an hereafter,
And intimates eternity to man.
Eternity! Thou pleasing, dreadful thought!”
(Joseph Addison)

By the Bye, would you explain "the pic of the week," which appears to be more "the drawing of the week" :?:

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Post by mtmynd » December 28th, 2009, 4:49 pm

Well, thanky, thanky, Ms Mousey-one! You presence is always welcomed, my friend.

I likey the way you've left your mark... so daintily and quietly. If it wasn't for the auto response email I received, I never would've known you stopped by! :)

My Christmas was full... lot's o' food I prepared for my family, and a nice thank you I got in return. What more can an mtmynd ever want? ;)

Hoping you're rewarded with a very Happy New Year! You deserve it!!
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Post by mtmynd » December 28th, 2009, 5:12 pm

NS: I enjoyed today’s musings. Which sent my MTmynd a’musing up on yours.

Thank you, N(ever)S(arcastic). Amuse is a Muse is Amuse

I was replying to your latest under Task Master, which certainly is proving to be what the title suggests. After spending quite the allotted time cleverly offering my reply, I hit some key on this keyboard which performed a magical trick of disappearance. Now if I only could repeat such a trick knowingly I could instantly erase some meaningless thread or reply in a blink! But alas... my misfortune is your misfortune... the reply was pure genius, you know? :lol:

NS: ‘Tis the elusive, contradictory goal of holding what is immortal within our mortal hands, or in a paint can. But, catch one glimpse of your own true divinity, and concern for the merely mortal shell falls away forever.

Well now, N(erves)S(haking)... I wouldn't go that far! True Divinity resides within with or without acceptance. The clueless (!) have within True Divinity (make mine without the nuts, please..) even without awakening to such.

One who has awakened to True Divinity within has expanded their circumference of knowing one-thousand fold and beyond... nothing more, nothing less. Back to work! There's movies to watch and ale to drink!! :)

What is this mark Joe Addison has left us? Eternity? Bah! Humbug! Eternity is but another nuisance mind must attempt to unravel in mere minutes. Fat chance. :lol:

Ahhh... the Shrimper. Yes, that is a photo which I have enhanced using these newfangled digital programs. I took that a couple or 3 years ago when we traversed the state of TN and SC then across NC into Holden Beach. I honked once as to not make a nuisance out of myself upon entering every city from Memphis to Nashville then eastward to Knoxville before crossing into NC and the great Blue Ridge.
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Post by Non Sum » December 28th, 2009, 10:07 pm

MT: But alas... my misfortune is your misfortune... the reply was pure genius, you know?

NS: Odd, how the genius replies are always the ones that get swallowed up by the oversized fish that get away. :wink:
Not to worry, I've already brilliantly replied to your genius reply, and promptly deleted it. But, rest a while, and give it some time, or it will just be a chore to respond now. I can wait for pure genius to strike again, but this time with enough genius to remember to save while writing. :)

MT: I wouldn't go that far! True Divinity resides within with or without acceptance.

NS: I never said anything otherwise. "The goal of holding what is immortal within our mortal hands," refers to those who would seek to immortalize that which is purely mortal via leaving some "mark" of their human passage; a fools errand. The sands of time swallow empires whole, how much more so does it swallow the tiny creatures who briefly walked its streets.

"Time, whose tooth gnaws away everything else, is powerless against Truth." (T.H. Huxley)

MT: Eternity is but another nuisance mind must attempt to unravel in mere minutes. Fat chance.

NS: "Eternity" is unraveled in less than an instant, but only by those who don't use their mind in the attempt.

MT: One who has awakened to True Divinity within has...
NS: ...traded "knowing" for Being.

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Post by mtmynd » December 28th, 2009, 11:28 pm

NS: ...traded "knowing" for Being.

Can one 'Be' without knowing? Knowing is what Being knows. Should Being not know of knowing Being makes Being doubtful.
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Post by Non Sum » December 29th, 2009, 10:14 am

Is that the MTmynd-ed "knowing" you intended when you said:

MT: "One who has awakened to True Divinity within has expanded their circumference of knowing one-thousand fold and beyond... nothing more, nothing less."
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Post by Artguy » December 29th, 2009, 10:30 am

I'm like a dog...leaving my mark where ever I go...

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Post by mtmynd » December 29th, 2009, 3:06 pm

NS: "Is that the MTmynd-ed "knowing" you intended..."

:lol: What is known but that which needed to be known. I can never know that which does not broaden that which I am becoming. What I am becoming is my on-going potentiality which I came into this world with to know. It shall be with my knowing that which I will become.

If this knowing were not possible, my knowing of the divine would not possible. So the enigma may very well be : which came first the knowing or the being?

The Divine knows, simply and effortlessly the Divine being divine, already knows so has no reason to know all that the Divine is. It is we that have the desire to know... we the mind. Until the desire is fulfilled, at least as much as that mind is able to be fulfilled, the desire to know the Divine will haunt the one where the mind resides.

This Divine which resides within all, is not known by all. The knowing process is a series of stepping stones crossing the stream of consciousness, wherein all things have come and where all things reside and all things return. If it wasn't for the stream there would be no stepping stones to cross. Why cross anything if there is no thing to cross?

Our hu'manity is one of knowing... the need to know. As I've said, we hu'mans are learning machines. That's what we 'do' best... learn and from that which we have learned, we learn to use that information that we have learned... an on going process of our hu'man-ness.

Another bit of writing I am resurrecting from 2005...
<center>Divine the Self

we are all from

Consciousness

divining our individuality

within an inescapable

wonder of magic -

vibrating as one universe

radiating wisdom

for the soul's purpose

of awakening our being

to the oneness of life –

the cosmic orgasm

that created our gods
___________</center>

It is our purpose as hu'mans to learn about ourselves and our potential and share that knowing with our kind. Witness the teachers (!) and the preachers, the philosophers and scientists, look at the efforts that mankind has utilized to construct art and architecture, literature and movies... transportation and communications around the globe and far into space. These are results of our learning. The final frontier is not the deep sea nor is it the distant galaxies on the other side of our universe... these will one day be known... but the final frontier is that which is within us - the Absolute... the Divine... that which is our original face.... yes, others have been witness to this and being the learning machines we are we attempt with the best of our given potential to share this knowledge with with all hu'manity. To do otherwise would not be the wise decision to make.

Until we, hu'manity, learn to live upon this planet and share our lives with all without destruction and violence that endangers all life, we shall remain learning machines, step by step across that stream in hopes of closing the divide that separates not only ourselves from our kind, but to close the divide that separates us from all life that lives upon this singular planet which sustains the preciousness of life.

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Post by mtmynd » December 29th, 2009, 3:25 pm

Howdy, artguy... I'm glad to be the proud owner of one of Kurt's marks... these marks are worthy, amigo.

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Post by Non Sum » December 29th, 2009, 10:28 pm

MT: Our hu'manity is one of knowing... the need to know. As I've said, we hu'mans are learning machines. That's what we 'do' best... learn and from that which we have learned, we learn to use that information that we have learned... an on going process of our hu'man-ness.

NS: Yes, I quite agree that this is the case for 'humanity.' Aristotle calls the mind 'man's excellence,' just as flight is to the eagle. But, what is one creature's excellence, does not always apply to another. How much more so is the divergence between the excellence of creatures and that of the Absolute. And, though a beaver may gnaw his toothy heart out, a eagle fly till her wings drop off, or a man think & know until his brain sizzles like a burger on the grill; these will in no way make them less a creature and more the Absolute. For that, one must leave all the gnawing, flying, and knowing--and the creature too--far behind.

"Just as this cloud of unknowing is above you, between you and God, so you must also put a cloud of forgetting beneath you and all creatiion." ('The Cloud of Unknowing')

MT: It is we that have the desire to know... we the mind.

NS: The Divine (i.e. Absolute) is neither: teeth, wing, nor mind. So long as we take ourselves for 'stuff,' the knowledge you refer to will escape us. How can you fit something infinite into a finite mind? Is it only scholars, and geniuses who attain? Exactly what possible finite knowledge is it you believe is required?

"The super-essential Darkness of God is utterly transcendent, we
praise Him best by denying or removing all things that are. When
the mind has stripped from its idea of God the human modes of
thought and inadequate conceptions of the Deity, it enters upon the
Darkness of Unknowing and is wrapped in that which is wholly
unknowable."
(Pseudo-Dionysius)

MT: The knowing process is a series of stepping stones crossing the stream of consciousness, wherein all things have come and where all things reside and all things return. If it wasn't for the stream there would be no stepping stones to cross. Why cross anything if there is no thing to cross?

NS: Excellent question! By definition, what Absolutely IS, cannot also be absent in some places or streams. There is nothing to cross, and no possible separation between you and God (who is omnipresent). "Self-realization," is not had by stepping over streams to find a non-local Self. You are that one divine 'Self' already, and all that is lacking is only the 'realization' portion of that fact. Simple as that; the attainment where nothing is truly attained. The very belief that time or space separates you from some eventual attainment will keep you from 'realizing' the very thing you seek. Nothing separates you from yourSelf.

"As long as we are still in the ascent we do not attain into him.
God is round-about us completely enveloping us, we are indeed
bathed in God as fish who swim in the ocean are bathed. To be in
God is to be God."
(Eckhart)

MT: [enough]

NS: "enough" what?


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Post by mtmynd » December 30th, 2009, 1:21 pm

Buenos dias, amigo! Hope all is well with you and yours today.

I'm readying myself for a trip to the grocery store and take #2 son to the video store for his weekly outing into the world... something he enjoys looking forward to... that and his (4) vids, of course!

NS: "... or a man think & know until his brain sizzles like a burger on the grill; these will in no way make them less a creature and more the Absolute. For that, "

Indeed! I concur with you... however! (it's either a 'however' or a 'but', eh?) when you mention this brain sizzling like a burger, I hope it would be a turkey burger. That I can indulge in much, much easier than imagining a piece of ground mammalian muscle mass upon the grill of yours. :lol:

Seriously, the analogy is well chosen seeing as we all have our moments of Being... when one celebrates with a BBQ and ale with folks of a like mind and moments of meditative silence when one reconnects with the inner Being to renew one's fullness, if you will. These are the moments when "one must leave all the gnawing, flying, and knowing--and the creature too--far behind," but to live within this state without a vacation into the variety of life that resides outside ourselves, is (to me) a denial of that 'fullness' I gave mention to above... part and parcel of anything is short of other things... yes, including the mystical state we both so thoroughly enjoy discussing.

Aristotle was no slouch when it came to 'knowing', as he knew perfectly well that mind that we all rely upon for our daily grind... making or even seeking the excellence around us and within us, is a journey well worth the effort.

"Just as this cloud of unknowing is above you, between you and God, so you must also put a cloud of forgetting beneath you and all creatiion." ('The Cloud of Unknowing')

This again, is a worthy quote.... but (!) when our lives require us to go grocery shopping or make a doctor's appt... taking our son's to the video store or taking a shit, these things have a priority over giving time and thought to these mystical forays into ourselves. There is a time and a space where union with the mystical is enhanced, that usually being when one is both drawn into it's 'spell' and when one can allot the time to do so... to do otherwise is to cheapen the experience.... IMHO, of course!

NS: "Exactly what possible finite knowledge is it you believe is required?"

Knowledge alone is the affirmation that lights one's path to the infinite.

"As long as we are still in the ascent we do not attain into him.
God is round-about us completely enveloping us, we are indeed
bathed in God as fish who swim in the ocean are bathed. To be in
God is to be God."
(Eckhart)

Too not realize that Eckhart is speaking of the growth of knowledge inspired by his Self Realization, and not mistake this passage as something everyone must do in order to find their Self, we can take this as a written piece of poetic remembrances that many, (including you and I), will find wondrous. Nothing more/nothing less... simply beauty beheld upon the journey.

NS: "enough" what?

Please, don't read more into that than what is there. :) I often close a Stream or other lengthy writing with that singular word, which I mean as there is nothing more I can add to what I've already said in that writing.

[there are also many times upon finishing a Stream I lay down and go to sleep, exhausted by what I have written]

enjoy!
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Post by Non Sum » December 30th, 2009, 4:33 pm

Buenos dias, back atcha Cisco (or, is it Poncho?),
MT: I'm readying myself for a trip to the grocery store and take #2 son to the video store for his weekly outing into the world... something he enjoys looking forward to... that and his (4) vids, of course!

NS: Sounds like a man after my own heart, and good taste; my best to him. Has he caught a favorite Depp pic of mine, Edward Scissorhands?

MT: I hope it would be a turkey burger. That I can indulge in much, much easier than imagining a piece of ground mammalian muscle mass upon the grill of yours.

NS: I never eat burgers of any sort; too high fat for that. What I had in mind was a ‘brain burger’ sizzling in its own natural thought juices, and stuffed with thick greasy knowledge oozing out of the middle.

MT: but to live within this state without a vacation into the variety of life that resides outside ourselves, is (to me) a denial of that 'fullness'

NS: We’ve no real issue here between us, only a misunderstanding of what the other is addressing. “States” are ‘of the mind,’ and I will grant you that some such states (e.g. sleep, trance) can abstract one so much that highway driving can become impractical at best; let alone careful movie selections. But, please recall my constant insistence that “Self transcends mind, and all that the mind perceives/conceives.”

So, a mind may have us actively chased by a large herd of lusty ladies, while our body is somnambulant in the sack. Meanwhile, our true Self is neither running in erotic pursuit, nor lying in bed. The transcendent mystic refuses to identify himself as anything but his unchanging Self, that’s all. He does not intrude on the mind’s dreams, nor his body’s physiology and posture.

”No one is really wise who does not see that he exists; and yet, what he is, is none of all those things which are either seen in him or can be seen. For that mingled with the flesh, is yet distinguishable by reason from the substance of the flesh and is different therefrom.” (Hugh of St. Victor)

“Even though thy outward man grieve, or weep downright, that may well be borne, if only thy inner man remain at peace, perfectly content with the will of God.”
(Dr. John Tauler, student of Eckhart)

So, you see, Mystics live as if two persons – a Real and an illusory person. Though, they hold themselves to actually be only their core Self; a sort of schizophrenia, or multiple personality disorder. The person who: thinks, acts, lives in a world they were born in and then dies after years of changes, is seen as none of the mystic’s business. Let that active guy/gal do whatever they want, since it is none of the mystic’s business what ‘Others’ may do.

”There are two selves, the apparent self and the real Self. Of these it is the real Self, and He alone, who must be felt as truly existing. To the man who has felt Him as truly existing He reveals His innermost nature.”(Katha Upanishad)

Your ‘Self’ is not a “state.” It does not depend upon your mind’s attention. My first major insight, nearly 30 years ago, was that ‘it all depends upon identity,’ i.e. who you believe within your heart of hearts yourself to be. Kick someone, and they will say, “don’t kick me!” But, they should realize that it was not them, but a body, that was kicked. They may say, “I have an idea!” But ‘they’ did not have an idea, only minds have ideas, and they are not a mind, body or actions (i.e. a ‘jiva’). This is mystical “poverty,” Where the mystic takes nothing for his own, but leaves it to others (i.e. the illusory ego self (e.g. NS)).

When you awaken from your nap, give this some thought, and let me know your thoughts on it’ if you would. I appreciate it.
Buenos noches, amigo,
NS (Not-even Spanglish)

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Post by mtmynd » December 30th, 2009, 5:59 pm

NS: "Self transcends mind, and all that the mind
perceives/conceives.”


Undoubtedly, my good man. I am the electricity giving illumination to that 4 watt bulb, Cecil. ;)
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