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Post by Arcadia » March 2nd, 2010, 9:34 am

See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-02.html

well, well, well...one Hillary´s night in Buenos Aires because she´s afraid of earthquakes an our president -maybe enough dizzy after yesterday´s senate intensive tour- offers her to be a mediator?? between our country and Britain!!???? funny... (in a old british sense! :shock: ). Síndrome de Estocolmo??, easy market-marketing bordering naivette?, speculation?, cholulaje in a sadic andy way? -first one maybe an untranslatable argentinian term -, still-nobel-faith?, the Acuario Era is already between us?? :roll: Come on!..., USA government was a Britain socio-parent-cousin-capitalist-agent-whatever during Malvinas war and was at the same time fueling the war behind the curtains with the argentinian dictactors... some months ago openly supported a golpe de estado in Honduras a contramano of most of the continent and now is fighting a far-away war somewhere in the map in search of oil... let´s Malvinas be one more point in a serious latinamerican agenda and not a USA puppet once more! :idea: (now I´ll continue reading the local news...)

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Post by mtmynd » March 2nd, 2010, 10:27 am

A translation of this very sticky situation between Britain and Argentina regarding the Falklands/Malvinas.
Hillary agreed to mediate for Falklands

Secretary of State said he would like to see Argentina and Britain at a table talking. Also reviewed the bilateral agenda and only disagreed about the situation in Honduras. The meeting was held in Buenos Aires.

In response to a request made to President Cristina Kirchner, Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, agreed to mediate in the new open conflict between Argentina and Britain, in this case by the exploitation of hydrocarbons in the Falklands. "We agree, we would see them sitting around discussing this issue," Hillary agreed after the meeting that they held at the Casa Rosada. While both agreed that kept indoors as a counterpoint to the case of Honduras, gestures of friendship abounded before and after the meeting. The first, which ultimately would have been in Buenos Aires.

Hillary Clinton decided its scale Buenos Aires on Sunday night, while in flight to Montevideo. Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana had never been entirely happy with the meeting between the President and Secretary of State was made on the sidelines of the inauguration ceremony of Joseph "Pepe" Mujica, Uruguay, and had remained in contact with the Deputy Secretary for Hemispheric Affairs, Arturo Valenzuela, in order to get the American entourage moved to the Casa Rosada. Also, the U.S. ambassador in Buenos Aires, Vilma Martinez, worked in pursuit of that goal. The number of misunderstandings in recent times ended in the bilateral relationship to convince Hillary to give consent.

The meeting lasted almost two hours in which they only talked.
Moreover, pose for photos again and again. Reviewed the bilateral agenda that has many points of contact, where the two foreign ministries are working together. It during the press conference: humanitarian aid in Haiti, the struggle against international terrorism, the stimulus policies against the global economic crisis and nuclear safety programs. This last point is a special concern of President Barack Obama, who organized a special summit to address it next month in Washington, which invited Cristina Kirchner. Yesterday could not confirm whether the two presidents will meet the coincidence there.

But the news was the new scenario created in the Malvinas (Falklands) case. "We have requested a U.S. mediation as a friend of both countries for the purpose of sitting and handling of negotiations under the provisions of the United Nations," revealed the President of Argentina. Bother to make clear that what was intended "does not detract one iota" of what regularly is approved in the United Nations and its Committee on Decolonization. So, he made clear that these talks on sovereignty would be met "the interests of the inhabitants of the islands."

Since last week, the State Department proclaimed a "neutral" in the conflict and that in the case of countries to request, not rejecting mediation.Yesterday, at a question, Hillary Clinton would not or did not know in detail what might be his task. "We want to see them sitting at a table, but we have no way of forcing" he said.

Secretary of State did not specify why he decided to add Buenos Aires as a new point in his Latin American tour, but said "be pleased" to have been able to come and stressed that she would spend the night in the country before proceeding route to Chile.

An American journalist Cristina Kirchner asked whether the meeting had discussed their statements to CNN, where he spoke of a "disappointment" regional management for Obama because of his position before the coup in Honduras. The President said he did not usually discuss their stories to those who visited but acknowledged that the issue Honduras had been part of the agenda and had shown differences. "It is well known that both countries have different views," he said, noting as a sign of maturity that could have been talking openly about this issue.

Hillary said the same. "We had a very frank exchange of ideas and very open," he acknowledged. He described the U.S. position, which strongly seeks international recognition for the elected president Porfirio Lobo. "I believe that free and fair elections held in Honduras indicated that it has reached the next page for that country. In any case, the way we talk is an indication of the fluid relationship the two countries. The points of agreement outweigh the disagreements, "marked by showing the weather that marked the meeting.ld have been talking openly about this issue.

Meeting between the President and Secretary of State participated Taiana Chancellor, the chief of staff, Anibal Fernandez, Secretary General of the Presidency, Oscar Parrilli, the Interior Minister Florencio Randazzo, the justice minister, Julio Alak; the economy minister, Amado Boudou, and the U.S. ambassador, Hector Timerman. Alongside Hillary Clinton were the Ambassador Martinez, Minister of the embassy, Thomas Kelly, Secretary Valenzuela, the United States representative at the OAS, Carmen Lomellin, the director of Latin American Affairs of the National Security Council, Luis Rosello, and Several State Department officials, including Jake Sullivan, Philippe Reines and Hum Abedin.
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Post by Arcadia » March 2nd, 2010, 12:59 pm

gracias Cecil for remind me the english translation! :lol: :wink:

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Post by mtmynd » March 2nd, 2010, 1:15 pm

no need to thank me, amiga... thank 'google translator'. ;)

how did google do with the translation?
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Post by still.trucking » March 2nd, 2010, 8:16 pm

Ten four
how does the translation look
especially this bit
But the news was the new scenario created in the Malvinas (Falklands) case. "We have requested a U.S. mediation as a friend of both countries for the purpose of sitting and handling of negotiations under the provisions of the United Nations," revealed the President of Argentina. Bother to make clear that what was intended "does not detract one iota" of what regularly is approved in the United Nations and its Committee on Decolonization. So, he made clear that these talks on sovereignty would be met "the interests of the inhabitants of the islands."
Does that mean the UN recognizes the Malvinas/Falklands are a British colony. I find that amazing. Hard to believe there are still colonies. That seems so 20th century to me.
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Post by mtmynd » March 2nd, 2010, 9:01 pm

It's becoming quite a story as this news bit reveals -

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100217/twl ... d0ae9.html

The story as I know (which isn't much!) is the Falklands (Malvinas) has hired a oil drilling outfit to drill for oil in what they (Falklands) say is their territorial waters, and the viewpoint of Argentina saying they have Sovereignty over the Falklands, including South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands.

Who knows how Argentina sees this situation? More than likely they see the current problem from a different perspective than the UK, obviously.
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Post by stilltrucking » March 2nd, 2010, 9:48 pm

The islands are a thousand mile from Argentina, I thought they were in the territorial waters of Argentina. I wonder who was there first. Is their an indigenous population? Who settled the islands first UK or Argentina?

I been following the story for a couple of weeks I still don't have a clue.

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Post by mtmynd » March 2nd, 2010, 10:18 pm

Here's a brief history. Probably not the way Argentina sees it, the way disputes happen.

But the 'bold' area is interesting and makes the dispute more understandable.
The isles have been conquered, abandoned, reconquered and envied in successive occupations by the French, Spanish, Argentinians and English up to the war of 1982.

They were discovered by the English navigator, John Davis in 1592 but not explored until 1690 by another Englishman, John Strong. The isles were not inhabited until 1764 when some French sailors from St-Malo first colonized them, hence the French name of “Malouines”.

They were thrown out of the islands in 1766 by the Spanish who were already masters of most of South America. In addition to the Spanish implantation, a British colony had already been established on part of the western isle in 1765 without suspecting that the French were living on the eastern isle.

In 1774 the English left the islands, for financial reasons, to the Spanish who were in charge of the archipelago until 1811 which was the beginning of the revolution of South America countries.

At this agitated time Spain left the Isles which became then officially no man's land. In 1820 Argentina, no longer under Spanish domination set up a colony and a governor in the Falklands.

In 1833 the English navy threw out the Argentinians and took sovereignty of the isles.
There was then a period of 150 years of peace apart from the two world wars in which the strategic value of the Isles was demonstrated. In December 1914 a squadron of the British navy based in Stanley fought the German navy and retook control of the South Atlantic. In December 1939, the battle of the River Plate was won by a group of Royal Navy cruisers and after the battle one of the ships docked at Stanley for repairs.

On 2nd April 1982, Argentina took back possession of the Isles. This action was supported by the majority of Latin-American states in spite of their opposition to the regime of the Argentinian junta. The geography seemed to play a role in this.

http://www.mysterra.org/webmag/falkland ... story.html
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Post by Arcadia » March 2nd, 2010, 11:04 pm

let´s investigate a bit more and maybe Hillary and Cristina are twin souls, the Brits sucks its finger and Malvinas is Cuba!! :lol: ... (sorry, it´s my dark-side humor!! :roll:). Don´t worry, I´m not for liberating Malvinas´s colonos through arms and the Brit gov already said that the USA direct-mediation is not necessary! :wink: good night, tomorrow I really have to work!

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Post by stilltrucking » March 3rd, 2010, 1:44 am

We got Hawaiʻi
I don't know what that has to do with anything.

Might makes right
I suppose
I lost track of the situation in Honduras.
But I read that there is a movement on to form another union like the OAS but without Mexico and the United States

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Post by Arcadia » March 3rd, 2010, 3:21 pm

We got Hawaiʻi , yeah... in the Pacific!

Honduras? Porfirio Lobo is the president now, as far as I know...

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Post by stilltrucking » March 3rd, 2010, 3:49 pm

ten four the Pacific, 10,000 kilometers from our shore
And Denmark has Greenland,

For some reason I thought the Maldives were off shore islands.


Islands are always problematic. I still remember how tense the situation was over Quemoy and Matsu. John Foster Dull-ass and Zhou En-lai rattling sabers in 1958

Geezer memory...
Just like it was yesterday I remember trivia like that but I can't remember if I took my meds today.

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