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Post by **Doreen Peri** » February 12th, 2005, 2:45 pm

What a crying shame.

A dramatic "goodbye" from a friend.

Why, Mark? Because you don't like the way we manage the site?

How sad is that. So sad.

I'm sorry we are unable to please everyone around here. I'm sorry so many people seem to be at odds with each other.

I am sad and upset.

I am absolutely certain I wasn't cut out for this job.

No matter what I do, someone somewhere is upset with me and says I'm doing it wrong.

Why should I take this so seriously? Because this site is important to me and my friends are important to me and I'm not too hip on being judged and I'm just hurting inside that a friend would post a dramatic goodbye over WHAT? Over mangement of a fucking internet site!

For crissake.

It's a goddamn internet site! It's just a fucking website!

Dramatic goodbyes.

Christ save me.

Hey, you all... sensitive artists types and all that.... I'm one of you... I'm sensitive, too, OK? And all this shit has had me upset for months.

No matter what we do, it's not right.

I'd like all of you who have complained about how this site is operated to start a discussion board of your own and invite me to it.

I've lost FRIENDS over this? This is NUTS!

Fucking internet.

I hate the internet.

Post by **judih** » February 12th, 2005, 2:53 pm

i've got the roller coaster bluezzzzzzzzzz

but i'm feelin fine
(who knows why and who wants to ask? not i)

judih

Post by **judih** » February 12th, 2005, 3:04 pm

the net.
without it, i'd never know any of you
and i'm grateful!

yes, we're nuts
of course we're nuts
if we weren't nuts, we wouldn't have to write like goddamn maniacs

i mean, (as my kids would say) D-uh-uh.

yes we're insane
it helps to know i'm not the only one.

breathe out. drink rosemary tea
boil water, put in a sprig of rosemary, stir and sip.

it's my latest remedy to life's ailments.
and it's like taking a bath in the middle of the chaos.

judih

Post by **Arcadia** » February 12th, 2005, 3:06 pm

It seems that I missed something... what happened?. Can someone do a brief resumen of the conflict for me?. If it is any help I use to mediate every day with my students...
(I will light a sahumerio mientras tanto).
See you,

Arcadia

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 12th, 2005, 8:22 pm

Writers are: "a bad lot on the whole - petty, nasty, bilious, suffused with envy and riddled with fear." And I will add not boring, not boring at all, in fact, bloody interesting
I don't like the smell of all this.....don't like it at all.

me too mousy, I am disapointed. I hope we can all just drive on, get past this,

mark you sound like a prima donna, the worst thing i remember perezoso calling you is a "moderate" let us not be a luke warm bunch, I come here to raise hell to raise my own consciousness, to make my unconscious misery conscious so I can deal with it, and must of all to have fun. and right now I am busy typing not smoking so that is good too. I hope you change your mind amigo I was looking forward for more mobtown be-more jams

I remember having a go round with you about postive jams, and I said how the hell you going to get any sparking without negative too,

going to miss jamming with you bro, but to tell the truth I been wondering what new blood sucking rambo is waiting in the wings.
what did you mean by that?

peace love and good vibrations
your old homeboy jacktilles

hester_prynne · Post by **hester_prynne** » February 13th, 2005, 3:22 am

Doreen said....
"I don't think I've ever in my life met anyone who was more "real" than Mr. P. He is a wide-open individual who speaks his mind, no matter how harshly, doesn't hide behind anything at all, to the point of being honestly anti-social sometimes, telling people what he thinks of them, etc. This is the internet. All of our identities are known only through text. To call it cowardly and claim someone is hiding behind anonymity would be to call ALL of us cowards. Because we are all anonymous here."

So he got kicked out because he insulted people here and that's that. Its simple. It could have been way simpler too.

I remember when they kicked holygoof off of litkicks.
Feels like a very similar scenario here.

Every time I called peresozo on his insults, he stopped and or apologized to me....and others. I totally believed he was getting better at one point, feeling more trust, being a little easier with the insults...I really thought there was a chance it would work out until Scooter decided to take over and start his "who leaves" poll deal. How would you feel if someone took a poll on you like that. Nobody said a word in Pere's defense that I saw, cept maybe me.
It was all lost after that.

Perezoso contributed more to this site than Scooter ever could.

I think you do one of two things when someone comes to a site and is not adhering to the administrators general standards.

You nip it in the bud from the very beginning.
Out. done finito.

Or, you let it work itself out and don't pay any attention to it, unless it's gets unbearable then you give it a warning made up of consistent unified energy that says stop. (That means that folks egging it on get told to stop too.)

You can't do both. When you try to do both, well, this is what happens.

This will certainly leave a sour taste in my mouth for awhile.
One thing is clear, I am not really very respected here, I know that for sure now and you bet your ass I resent it. I mean Scooter is still going at it. Rubbing it all in. Making his nasty comments. I just saw another one in general discussion.
This only makes it totally clear that there are preferences and preferential treatment. Take sooz's post that "broke the ice". Her post to scooter was totally preferential, to her "old friend".
Pere never had a chance...he was allowed, and then not, then allowed...and then not.
it was totally inconsistent.

I feel bad for Perezoso. I think he was led on, egged on, and then way too late in the game...(takes two you know, to play), was kicked out.
That is honestly and truthfully how I really feel.
I wanted to say this before I left for good, because that is my intention as well.
Mostly I just want to get back to writing mode and it's sorely gone, indeed I am sorely upset..getting sucked into this ridiculously overplayed out and yet very simple problem.
I'm tired of it and it seems it will only happen again here.
H

Post by **sooZen** » February 13th, 2005, 7:45 am

Hes...I am at a loss and feel a bit like Pandora, opening a box where all this shit flew out.

I am truly sorry that you are so mad at me and at others for what you perceive as unfair.

I did not want anyone 'banned' and that was not my intent. I just wanted the bullshit to stop.

As far as I could tell (and even though I have been silent for awhile, I was still tuned in). P was insulting quite a few people, not just one and J was just after him specifically. Now this may not be like you 'see' it but we all, individually, look at the elephant and will paint it differently. Neither one was right and I have privately and publically told J how I feel and he knows I didn't like what he was doing. That being said, yes, he is a friend of mine. But I thought you were too. I am not going to take sides in this dispute that you have with him or that he has with you. I like both of you. I didn't like what P was doing to some here and even though we have had some private conversations from waaaay back, it always desolved into insults. I don't have to take that from anyone and I won't, not quietly anyway.

Now, really...I am truly sorry that you feel betrayed. I can't help how you choose to feel. That is your choice but I do hope you give me another chance. I am blunt, yes...and have all kinds of human frailties but I am loyal. I admire you a great deal, I think you are very talented....the first time I heard you sing, when Dor and Rod posted that beautiful song...I was blown away. Mnaz just left my home recently and he said some wonderful things about you.

All I can do is be what I am...

Peace,
SooZen

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 13th, 2005, 10:07 am

you know hester this is getting pretty nuts
I myself would like to hit mister Mark in the face with a custard pie, Hester I don't know what you are talking about. Perezoso never appologized to me for raping my mother.
. His favorite with me was fucking my dead mother up the ass. It kind of hurt the first time he said it but if I called him on anything all I got was more abuse. I never paid it any attention just figured he had tourettes syndrom or as I called it Torments Syndrome. So he pretty much left me alone because he could not tolerate my tender indifference. All I really care about here is Doreen, mark could have waited until this whole thing is vented.
I am going to miss Mark and Perezoso, but I am more pissed with mark because he is oh so normal and he has to make his melo drama now when the situation is stressed
I have not had a cigarette in twenty two hours
if you can find it in your hear cut me a little slack here for insanity
crazy jack

and hester it is getting so fucking boring
cant we move on now?

SooZen anyman who grabs his mother by the throat has some gender issues, I am not the man I used to be. But my student driver has a lot of karma to burn. He is living now with an image of his mother laying on the floor where he threw her. On the miracle eight day jam someone asked Perezoso, "Why don't you love me" I was happy to see that.
one last point who is perezoso what other names does he post under, he reminds me if Ike and Mike, I believe there is another Perezoso
peace and joy and all that good stuff, just so happy to see you back
now I will shut up
______________________________________________
I will tell you one other thing hester there is a woman here that hates me, she has hated me for years, it started on litkicks and she has still not let go of that hatred for me. Some kind of chick thing. I remember the day litkicks said good bye stilltrucking, it was a good day for her.

Post by **mousey1** » February 13th, 2005, 1:36 pm

Let it be known. I appreciate everyone on this site.

I realize that I am new here, but from day one we become members of the community and entitled to our opinions. I stated mine and stand by them. It is my take on things.

Wireman, none of my remarks were directed at you. You made good points and I believe I interpreted them correctly.

As far as my question......community or Utopia?.....it is just a question, Utopia being the far end of the spectrum. I was merely wondering what people expect from this site. Why are we here? Do we want to change the flavour of the place? Smooth over the texture.

I suspect the majority of complaints are simply that people want to be treated with respect. And what a lovely idea. But a community is just that, a community, and in such we learn to coexist, we find our own form of happiness. Now if studioeight is considered more a gathering of friends and like-minded individuals, more like invited guests to a party, well then the situation necessitates different behavior, does it not? There can be spirited debate, yes, but respect for all guests there must flow like wine. Maybe it's more akin to a street party.....again, different set of rules, different set of chaos.

I tend to think this board will find it's way.

My intention was to air my opinion......not offend.....just proves the point that the written word can be taken a myriad of ways. I am always happy to clarify and elucidate my meaning, if I can.

One should never throw the baby out with the bath water. I just mean, Mark, stick around, do your thing, ignore those you don't want in your cyber life. Don't let them drag you down.

Remember, we, all of us, have our stories, our histories, the lingering bitter taste of life in our mouths. Give us a chance to find our way, our niche. We all have value, reasons behind our behaviors. I just hate to see people ostracized on a board like this, it happens enough in real life. Do we wanna bring that here too.

Again, just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

Hest, you're marvelous! I read your posts with pleasure. You've got spark girl, flash!

Doreen, you're a sweetheart. Thank-you. Don't change(unless you want to). Er, maybe try not to run around like a chicken with your head cut off, trying to stem the tide. People will be people. God love 'em!

And again.....

Let it be known. I appreciate everyone on this site.

(I must be nuts!

)

Post by **judih** » February 13th, 2005, 2:05 pm

in the old days at my favorite ADD forum, i had a good friend who called herself aminuts
am i nuts
i think it's a great name
rhetorical, true
but a great name

yes iam
iamnuts

as i mentioned before, we're all nuts or we wouldn't be writing like maniacs.

mousey - here's to you

judih

Post by **Scootertrash** » February 13th, 2005, 2:18 pm

I am Scootertrash-Destroyer Of Worlds.

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 13th, 2005, 3:08 pm

I was merely wondering what people expect from this site. Why are we here? Do we want to change the flavour of the place? Smooth over the texture.

Mousey I keep quoting freud nobody picking up on it, because we all know about that cocaine sniffing pervert , but he said "human behaviour is over determined. but I would say that the one thing above all others everyone here is a writter and a reader, as for ulterior motives I can only speak for myself. It is a family thing, being a maternal uncle is a high honor in my family. Trying to write some happy endings, or as I said somewhere else, to raise my consciousness, to explore what is over the edge and make unconscious misery conscious, raise a little hell, and just have some fun.

that is the short answer
I hope it was useful
or at least creative
have I ever said hi and glad to see ya here

Post by **sooZen** » February 13th, 2005, 3:55 pm

Mousey...just wanted to say I love your avatar, it makes me smile everytime I see that face...

Digging your words too.

Peace,
SooZen

Post by **mousey1** » February 13th, 2005, 4:00 pm

Here's to you Judih.

Hi still. Nice to be had.
You have been heard. Fun is one of my favorite words.
Here's to you still.

In fact, here's to all us writers and readers. May we find happiness in our own unique ways.

Post by **mousey1** » February 13th, 2005, 4:06 pm

Thanks Sooz.

Is it wrong to say that I like my avatar too. I find it endlessly amusing. It also reminds me never to take myself too too seriously.

And it does show my intense interest, does it not.

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