wikileaks

[Arcadia]

at a friend´s house I saw today Obama followed by Hillary explaining something on tv, and wikileaks was mentioned but I didn´t had an idea of what was the problem, the only thing I could heard was they were talking about wires in the Casablanca...

googled " wikileaks en español" some minutes ago and first entry was this:

http://www.clarin.com/politica/WikiLeak ... 62117.html

well..., some months ago a considering ammount of people and the mainstream media here openly already said what U.S.A. Embassy was supposed to be saying/investigating, so it´s already something like a common-place-gossip sort of information already heard by everybody somehow, somewhere ... :. Ice-like, iron-like or ketchup-like ciber-spy era...?

[still.trucking]

It is an interesting story, reminds me of the secrete diplomacy that lead up to world war one. The bits about Yemen was pretty interesting. The usa has been carrying out bombing missions on certain groups there and the yemen government has been taking the credit for them, saying they have been carrying out the operation.

The guy responsible is a 22 year old soldier who got mad because he was expected to spy on Iraqi dissidents and then turn them over to the government for torture. Not talking terrorists or bombers, just people who bitched and complained about the shit going down everyday. The US would hand them over to the Iraqi gov who would torture them. He complained to his superiors but was told to shut up and do his job.

Bradley Manning

Bradley Manning, in his own words: 'This belongs in the public domain'In May last year, the man suspected of downloading the US embassy files began a series of online chats with a fellow-hacker

US Rep. Mike Rogers, a Republican, of course, from Michigan, who is on the House Subcommittee on Terrorism, has called for Manning's execution. According to US Rep. Rogers it is an act of treason to report an American war crime.
In other words, to obey the law constitutes "treason to America."

US Rep. Rogers said that America's wars are being undermined by "a culture of disclosure" and that this "serious and growing problem" could only be stopped by the execution of Manning.

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/diary/2091 ... or-traitor

[Arcadia]

s-t: The guy responsible is a 22 year old soldier who got mad because he was expected to spy on Iraqi dissidents and then turn them over to the government for torture. Not talking terrorists or bombers, just people who bitched and complained about the shit going down everyday. The US would hand them over to the Iraqi gov who would torture them. He complained to his superiors but was told to shut up and do his job.... auch!, really sad and insane ...

just guessing...who´s the Chikoff conde...?? . See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 12-01.html

ah... Hillary, Hillary...:

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff12012010.html

[Arcadia]

the continuation...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 12-03.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 12-03.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 12-03.html

[dadio]

The Wikileaks drama is an example of a government's hypocrisy. The dirty tricks have begun on the founder; the slurs of a sexual nature. Next means to try and close it down. Truth. Governments can't handle the Truth.

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auch!, really sad and insane ...

The right wingers are calling for his execution. I guess he could wind up in front of a military firing squad, but I would hope Obama would grant him clemency.

Bradley Manning Supporters Rally Amidst Calls For Execution Of Alleged Wikileaks Leaker

Congressman Calls for Execution of Wikileaks Whistleblower ...
...

Mike Huckabee Demands Bradley Manning's Execution -- News from ...

Sorry I have not read the links yet.

Interesting thing about Assange is that Interpol was looking for him. Naomi Wolfe noted that it is the first time Interpol has gone after someone charged with sexual harassment. She wondered if it would set a precedent. Sarcasm I am sure.

Julian Assange Captured by World's Dating Police

by Naomi Wolf

Dear Interpol:

As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating.

I see that Julian Assange is accused of having consensual sex with two women, in one case using a condom that broke. I understand, from the alleged victims' complaints to the media, that Assange is also accused of texting and tweeting in the taxi on the way to one of the women's apartments while on a date, and, disgustingly enough, 'reading stories about himself online' in the cab.

Both alleged victims are also upset that he began dating a second woman while still being in a relationship with the first. (Of course, as a feminist, I am also pleased that the alleged victims are using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings. That's what our brave suffragette foremothers intended!).
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?p=6952048

[Arcadia]

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 12-08.html

[dadio]

What is it with some Americans and executions? What they cannot handle is the truth getting out about their underhandedness and lies.

Even if the founder of Wikileaks goes to prison on some trumped up charge(nothing new in that I guess) Wikileaks will still go on.

[still.trucking]

Feeling restless I was unable to concentrate on your links, to busy thinking about what I am thinking, sorry, I will try again later to read and reply but for now this is all I can do. I only read one of them so far

It hurt my head trying to read it but I did. Part of it lost in translation but I think I got the gist of it, had to do with the way the alleged Bradley Manning files were released, to certain newspapers, the main stream media. The article seemed to imply that the way they were released might do more harm than good.

I will have to find the specific article

In the meantime I have been driving myself crazy trying to find the post somewhere on studio eight where you mentioned neo-liberal fascism and mustaches


I think Obama should grow a beard or at least a soul patch.

[Steve Plonk]

I could hardly view fascism as a liberal movement, in the early 20th century or otherwise. I have no stats, nor quotes--only liberal capitalist intuition, and a couple of land grant university degrees to fall back on. Hoo Hah! I also take a dim view of Ayn Rand and her pseudo-intellectual books of fiction.

Communism and fascism/nazism are on opposite sides of the aisle in even socialist countries. However, there is a difference between totalitarian communism and totalitarian fascism. Different economics rule them.

Brazil has seemed to have a mixed economy, like ours, and has come out
smelling close to posies. The world is complex, yet also simple in its culture.
The culture of the surrounding societies in which any government or economic
system resides is made up of your various social classes. Our society is now
widening the gap between the ideologies of the rich and the poor. The old
middle class is shrinking in between. We need to strengthen the middle class in all our western societies & to hang on to equitable economic distribution. Otherwise, portions of our countries will fall victim to corporate greed and fascism. Some of this greed is perpetuated by "stock market" greedheads and rubes who continue to bet their lives on a volatile market. We must have regulation to stop the greedheads fraudulent banking and junk stock practices. Thank you for you attention to this matter. More to follow, when the rant muses...

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I guess I was wondering if people in south america are standing on their heads. No wait that's australia I think.

Beats me steve, I wish I could find where arcadia mentioned neo liberal fascism — I am working on a reply to it. —going to put here — for the heck of it

if mi amiga don't mind

Arcadia wrote.

neoliberal-fascist

Wow I had no idea there was such people, I am trying to imagine what it is before I search the internet for more information.
Not sure what a liberal fascist is in South America.

Here in the north it goes something like this, which sounds a lot like neo conservative fascism. Are we in upside down land, you know we are all standing on our head down under.

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a bestselling book on the origins and nature of fascist movements by Jonah Goldberg, a conservative syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online. The controversial book, published in January 2008, reached #1 on the New York Times Best Seller list of hardcover non-fiction in its seventh week on the list.


In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]

wicki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

[Steve Plonk]

Sounds like a concoction made to spin on "positive aspects" of fascist society by some neo-con tale wagger. I take a dim view of the "National Review" and of the book that you quoted. It sounds very Hitlerian to me...Just saying...I am certain that there
is a good mixture which could serve our country well. However, corporate control of government is horrific to me...We saw that in the 19th Century...

[tarbaby]

That is about what I thought of the book too. or at least the review of it.

the 19th century
was good old days

what about what we just seen in the twentieth century.
Is it hyperbole (spell check)
to say the twentieth century was the bloodiest in human history?
What is to be learned from that? Geez oh whiz I bum myself out sometimes, all that keeps me functioning is a mordant sense of humor.

[Steve Plonk]

No, you are certainly right on with your view of the 20th Century. However, we are both historically biased because we spent the greater part of our lives in the 20th Century. I style myself as the "Last Twentieth Century Man". I was born in
1949 when the shit hit the fan in China. I also consider myself to be "The Last Hippie". There were folks older and more into both eras; however, I think I'm a diehard... Humor is good, and that, and music has kept me grinning for this long.

We are a society in trouble, because we are our own worst enemy. Our society has become complacent (sic) and has been 9/11'd for a long while now.
Our country is xenophobic especially when it has to do with muslim fanatics and
other weird-ohs of their ilk.

The lower middle class has especially bought in on the paranoia, hook, line, and sinker. There are reactionary movements within our own country which are as dangerous as any from without. I worry about skinheads and christian identity fanatics and determinist religions. For example, some folks think we are "in the final days" and make no effort to improve their lot. "It is God's will"... and blah, blah, blah. I believe the Lord helps those who try to help themselves and I think things may be reformed. But the creationists and "new earth" folks impede progress toward a mutually beneficial solution.

The "new congress" is made up in the House of Representatives of a bunch of
resurgent neo-cons who have a lot to learn about the running of a government.
I have confidence that they will be tutored and will work toward common goals as a result of the tutoring. If we don't work collectively, our country is headed for disaster.

[Arcadia]

I guess I was wondering if people in south america are standing on their heads... I don´t know... I have a headache today (long time without headaches, I was missing them somehow... ), good think, this time I know the cause!

family´s waiting for weekly lunch, I´ll continue reading later!