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Post by Arcadia » March 6th, 2013, 1:56 pm

our ministra of defensa is not saying directly that Chavez´s cáncer was "inoculated" (as Maduro dennounced) but that there had been significative coincidences to at least wonder ... can that be possible??, can cáncer be "inoculated"? :? (the word makes you think more in a virus than in some kind of psicotronic weapon...) if so, we are really mad...! :shock:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1560596-para ... -la-region

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Post by stilltrucking » March 6th, 2013, 4:52 pm

I was sorry to hear of his death. Someone wrote that the United States lost a friend we never knew we had.

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Can You Give Someone Cancer?
If they’re healthy, probably not.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ible_.html

Five South American presidents and former presidents, including Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, have been recently diagnosed with cancer. Chavez speculated on Wednesday that American agents may be inducing the disease in South American leaders by feeding them or injecting them with an unspecified substance. The State Department rejected Chavez’s insinuation on Thursday. Can you give someone cancer?

Not reliably. Injecting cancerous cells into a person isn’t enough to give him the disease—the abnormal tissue has to penetrate and grow in other areas of the body. If you injected someone with live cancer cells, his immune system would almost certainly attack and destroy the foreign tissue. In theory, secret agents might be able to induce cancer in a leftist South American president with a severely weakened immune system. Or perhaps they could harvest tissue from him, expose it to a carcinogen, and then reintroduce it into his body. As far as the Explainer knows, however, these techniques have never successfully caused cancer in a human.

While it’s tough to induce cancer in an enemy, it’s certainly possible to increase his chances of developing the disease. The most effective option would be radiation. Oncologists implant radiation-emitting devices the size of a seed into some patients to combat existing cancers. It’s hard to say just how much the device would increase a healthy individual’s risk of cancer, but leaving a high-intensity model inside the body for weeks or months would result in a significant dose of radiation. The victim would likely notice the implant, though. They’re too big for an ordinary needle, and need to be inserted through a catheter.

You could, alternatively, contaminate the victim’s diet with high levels of aflatoxin, which is associated with liver cancer. Or you could infect him with any of a number of cancer-causing biological agents. Helicobacter pylori contributes to the development of gastric cancer, and human papillomaviruses can cause cervical, anal, and a few other forms of cancer. But these tactics probably wouldn’t produce cancer in the short term and aren't guaranteed to have any effect at all. In countries with high aflatoxin exposure, like China and parts of Africa, fewer than 1 in 1,000 people develop liver cancer
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Most of the research on infusing cancer into humans is decades old. In the 1950s, Dr. Chester Southam gained notoriety by injecting hundreds of cancer patients and healthy prison inmates with live cancer cells. Southam wasn’t trying to give his subjects cancer. Rather, he was testing the efficiency with which the patients’ immune systems would reject the cells. He was so confident that the patients would fight off the invaders that he thought it unnecessary to tell them what he was doing. None of Southam’s patients seem to have developed metastatic cancer from his injections, and most modern oncologists believe the experiment posed little risk to the subjects. (One of the patients showed signs of a potentially spreading disease before dying of a separate illness.) Southam was sanctioned for fraudulent practices, however, and the case helped establish modern informed consent standards.

Southam’s experiments were abandoned in the 1950s, but he wasn’t the last doctor to inject a patient with live cancer cells. In 2009, a Taiwanese doctor was accused of implanting cancerous uterine cells into healthy patients as part of an insurance scam. While the insurance companies were out more than $660,000, none of the victims developed cancer.

Today, ethical physicians inject live cancer cells only into laboratory animals such as mice and rats. In most cases, the animals’ immune systems are compromised, or the rodents have been genetically engineered to rapidly spread mutant cells.

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Post by Arcadia » March 7th, 2013, 12:54 pm

interesting article, s-t. Maybe Chavez thought more in this option, who knows?:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/psychotron ... em/5319111

& yeah, despite his "ALCA, al carajo" he was a good commercial friend for the USA, as long as I know ...

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Post by Arcadia » March 10th, 2013, 9:49 am

The ancient egyptians, the incas, the leninists, the peronists, the maoists, the vietnamese ... OK... but was it necessary to momificar Chávez .... :roll: :? .

some articles that left me wonder that appeared today in pagina12...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-10.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 03-10.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/econo ... 03-10.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-10.html

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Post by stilltrucking » March 11th, 2013, 9:53 pm

It is definitely a noble political tradition which is still alive, still stirring the spirits of millions of men and women and forming part of the vocabulary of political struggles. It is not, as claimed by the neoliberal establishment, the threat of return of a failure experience. It is an emblem honorable, worthy of being part of the language in a stage full of hopes and civilizational dangers.
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Post by stilltrucking » March 13th, 2013, 7:37 pm

My first thought on hearing the news was to wonder where he was in 1976
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Relations with the Argentine government


Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio meets President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.
On 15 April 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, as superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina, accusing him of involvement in the kidnapping by the Navy in May 1976 (during the military dictatorship) of two Jesuit priests.[18] The priests, Orlando Yorio and Franz Jalics, were found alive five months later, drugged and semi-naked. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.[19] Horacio Verbitsky, an Argentine investigative journalist and author, wrote a book about this and other related events titled El Silencio: de Paulo VI a Bergoglio: las relaciones secretas de la Iglesia con la ESMA.[20]
According to the book, after their release, Yorio accused the then Provincial of his Jesuit order San Miguel, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, to have denounced him. Father General Pedro Arrupe in Rome was informed by letter or during the abduction, both he and Orlando Yorio were excluded from the Jesuit Order. [21]
According to his own testimony in his autobiography, after the priests’ imprisonment, Bergoglio worked behind the scenes for their release; his intercession with dictator Jorge Rafael Videla on their behalf may have saved their lives.[22] "The cardinal could not justify why these two priests were in a state of helplessness and exposed," according to Luis Zamora, who said that Bergoglio's testimony "demonstrates the role of the Church during the last military dictatorship." [23]
In 2010, Bergoglio told biographer Sergio Rubin that he often sheltered people from the dictatorship on church property, and on one occasion gave his identity papers to a man who looked like him, to enable the recipient to flee Argentina.[24]
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Post by Arcadia » March 13th, 2013, 10:07 pm

mmmm ... can you ask for pears to the elm tree...? :?:

http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2013/03/833322.php

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Post by Arcadia » March 13th, 2013, 10:16 pm

(& I can light a candle even for you, Francisco, ... don´t worry! :) )

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Post by Arcadia » March 14th, 2013, 1:23 pm

welcome to the dark side ...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-14.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-14.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-14.html

but it seems we have to be grateful because he is not considered extremely right wing
, though ... :arrow:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-14.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-14.html

in my country the Catholic Church still has too much power (for my taste), let´s hope this election will not be "more problems" in social and political terms , we really have enough ...

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Post by Arcadia » March 14th, 2013, 1:59 pm

welcome to the brigh side ...

his empathy towards the victims of some disasters as Cromagnon, his austerity and his care about details in his personal relationship with fieles and sacerdotes are remarked as his most valuable virtues:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/708279-bergo ... da-abierta

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1563107-como ... enos-aires

http://sanmartin.clarin.com/ciudad/Padr ... 11929.html

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1563118-el-p ... los-pobres

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1563012-una- ... de-olvidar

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Post by Arcadia » March 19th, 2013, 9:54 pm

some links in pagina12 about the new Pope one week later (I just read them, they are interesting and a bit thrilling at the same time somehow... )

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-19.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-19.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-19.html

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Post by Arcadia » March 21st, 2013, 1:43 pm

still thinking about bucrocracy today ... where are the old shamans?? :roll: medicine here is autocontradictory in a scientific and also administrative way ... they insist you about preventive medicine, they don´t have you any choice but to do some tests and when you go to the Obra Social they tell you that you have to be grateful for having "approved" the tests via an auditoria in Buenos Aires that lasted 30 days thanks for your exceptional clynic history but that you´ll have to pay 1000 pesos for a needle that they need for doing the test ... all that when some hours before in the place you have to do the test they sent you to the doctor and to the obra social to ask for what the obra social denied later.., just crazy! the price of the needle is 1/5 of my salary but I´m not doing "a estetic surgery" and it´s not an "optional thing to do" (except if you want to stay only in the side of the alternative medicines that are -of course- 100% private -the state don´t include them...- and in my particular caso to deal with your "conciencia" or something like that if later the studies results are worse). I can pay it -doing some arregements & delays- but it´s not fare and it´s not logical. Yesterday if I would have some weapon at hand I don´t know what I would have done (maybe it´s just a sensation and I would do nothing but it was strong...). I have to observe "me" more when I´m angry, it´s really mad inside and each time I get angy I left totally energy-less for a time (I guess it´s not too intelligent and helpful ... :? ). Well, in sinthesis, I told the employee "are you kidding?" "do you think I´ll do this if I could avoid it?" or "that it´s a kind of hobby??", "the study is about to introduce a needle among other things, how can be possible that the needle is not viewed as part of the test you approved???", I told her also that I´ll return for the exam next monday and that according whith what they finally tell me I´ll procede changing from Obra Social and/ or dennounced them according my humor and energies. I already had problems doing a video-study when I had problems in my throat (I had to pay half of them myself). Well, enough catharsis... :mrgreen:

I was also thinking about burocracy while trying to attend my 42 students of 6th grade today ... the idea that we are training them since early ages for doing long queues when they were older hit my mind suddenly ... :shock:

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Post by Arcadia » March 22nd, 2013, 1:18 pm

(anger is already dissipated -at least in surface- & it´s friday! :mrgreen: )

a counterpunch link to Bergoglio:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/20/ ... bergoglio/

here the government and human rights associations stopped the critcs in a sort of non open confrontation and a waiting estrategy. The ex nobel prize peace desvinculated Bergoglio from the dictadura accionar

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1565882-carl ... -francisco

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-22.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 03-21.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 03-22.html

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