Sex and Emotions, Men and Women

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Post by hester_prynne » April 8th, 2005, 11:23 pm

I'm not saying you are are coddling anyone! I'm saying alot of women do... and I'm saying don't.

I"m saying keep asking your questions. Even if a guy, (or anyone you are getting to know) seems uncomfortable. Make them comfortable with it. Ask about the uncomfortableness. Find out how it can be more comfortable. Don't take no answer for an answer if it's something you want in a relationship.

That's all I'm saying.
Keep trying until you are sure you cannot get through to the person. Maybe there is nothing there! Maybe it's not a match!

But don't just chalk it up to men being unwilling to speak on an emotional level. That, I think, is a cop out.

Some people you just can't reach.
Some you can. That's the good news.
It's an interesting topic......no offense to anyone personally is intended......in fact, it's all rather lighthearted I thought.

I'll stay out of it, obviously I'm not giving you anything you want to hear
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Post by mousey1 » April 8th, 2005, 11:58 pm

Sheesh, Aby, I'm feeling a little backed into a corner and I'm not even a man.

Patience might be a key word here.

I'm sure the men will turn up....you know, bad pennies and all. :D

They're probably working, earning a living while we uns womenfolk lolly gag about discussin' them. :D

Perhaps they're out on the town with real women who won't pester them visa vie their emotional well being :)

Joking! Joking!

You know, it's a fun topic, really, and while I appreciate you want answers you could be a teensy weensy bit more laid back about it. You're a little off putting.

Our input to this thread is our input and if it's not coming up to snuff, well :P

Nice to meet you by the way. :)
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Post by Doreen Peri » April 9th, 2005, 12:16 am

hey...

we've got off work the week of July 10th- July 17th

and the week from July 30th - August 7th

We want to come to meet you all..... I love you so much...

Who's got a spare room?

heh

Every reply here makes me want to know each and every one of you better.

mousey1- you crack me up!

hest - LR says you type so i don't have to!

Cat - your mind makes me want to hug you!

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Post by mousey1 » April 9th, 2005, 10:36 am

:D BC bud awaits! :D

I'd love to meet all you all
But
You know
In person
I'm as quiet
as
a
mouse.

And Doreen you crack me up too
Especially in my lowcut asscrack showing jeans!


On a serious note, you know it's getting harder and harder to cross the border. Passport required!
And soon, they say, they'll have eye scanners.
All this shit would worry me, if I were a worrier...... :roll:

And now, and now, the price of gas is $4.00 a gallon
Sadly, my travellin', is thru.
:roll:
Unless I can rob a bank!
(Oh, shoot, I'm rambling here.)

But if I ever get down and over your way I'll definitely drop in for tea. :) Tea and crackers!
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Post by Arcadia » April 9th, 2005, 10:44 am

aby...sorry, last week I wasn´t in an argumentative-mood.
let´s see we are talking about atraction, no?
Am I sexually atracted to a man that talks about his emotions? Not always. I have a lot of men that talk about his emotions with me but I don´t feel sexual atraction (well, too much sexual atraction) towards them, even though they try in different ways to change the facts.
I discovered that I fear too-explosive-sincere-emotionally-speech. I feel more comfortable with men that don´t take himself so seriously. I love to laugh with them.
Well, I have known a man that (very seriously) in a full moon night said to me: "you know, I´m in a crisis moment I can only face good sex with friends"...
Wish I things were less complicated?. i don´t know...

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Post by hester_prynne » April 9th, 2005, 11:35 am

Hey Doreen! I got an extra room! You both are welcome to it, if I'm not homeless by the time of your vacation!

Come on over!
:D
Talk about a jam!
whoooowhee!

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Post by ZyzxzxzyZ » April 9th, 2005, 12:14 pm

I do enjoy some entertaining, pre-frolicing chit chat with "la putain du jour"; alas, it's rather difficult when so many of them seem to have had their vocal cords removed. Sigghhhhh.

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Post by knip » April 10th, 2005, 11:20 am

i dispute the validity of the question, as well...i do agree the stereotype is prevalent, but my experience is that it doesn't necessarily exist

there are few women that would speak openly to me about emotions...certainly i am more open to do so than the women i know...at least that is my perception, and this whole discussion is really about individual perceptions of other people, individually, or as a group

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Post by mnaz » April 10th, 2005, 4:59 pm

Talking about either one can be daunting for anyone, in various circumstances.

No two people are ever quite on the same page. And some people simply don't have a need to openly discuss their emotions, except for rarely. You say that this applies more to men than women. Perhaps this might be statistically true. Perhaps large-scale scientific studies have been done.

If a discussion of this nature is required by one partner in a relationship, then this partner must initiate it, and go about this in such a way as to not alienate the other partner. If the other partner repeatedly refuses to participate in this discussion in some sort of reasonable fashion, then one wonders whether a relationship (or potential relationship) exists to begin with.

Also, I think that if one partner senses that the other is employing various sly tricks as a means of "fishing", then this can shut things off in a hurry.

Interesting discussion.

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Post by stilltrucking » April 10th, 2005, 8:54 pm

Why do men -- even men who are usually very open about themselves in a variety of situations -- suddenly clam up and become very private and guarded as soon as they realize they are being considered as a potential partner by a member of the opposite sex?
For some reason that reminds me of a line from The Big Sleep, "she thought that meant I should roll over with all four paws in the air." (Rough quote from memory) :wink:

A sense of humor helps I suppose. Laughter yes cat there was always a lot of laughter, and a feeling of well-being. Being with a friend. I hope I have said something helpful :)

But yeah, it has to be invited. Sexual talk which is uninvited and unwelcome, when there really is no relationship at all, is just plain .... umm.... i donno...*shrug*... empty.... and almost... juvenile
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Being a virgin this is very difficult subject for me to discuss. I mean I might as well be a virgin after twenty five years. My memory so old I can hardly remember talking about sex before we embraced. Later in our relationship we did talk about birth control. It was just a great conversation then a feeling of being on a beam together being understood. the next thing I remember we were hugging the hug seemed to go on forever, then floating feeling and then our clothes disappeared.
Hollywood scripted my last love affair.
. The Last Tango In Paris and The Trip.


I was never much for scripted sex.
There is a lot of pain and hurt in this world of ours, so much brought on by ourselves, our humanity. Is it any wonder why we seek out another to share our fears and tears, to share our thoughts and dreams, our wishes and wants? It is this search for another that causes all the riffs - it is a sometimes long and arduous journey finding one that we feel safe with, and the journey is filled with many emotional rocks and ruts.
Dam good shot amigo.

“Does anyone want to fuck me” What was so strange about that night was that up until that time I thought she was a guy. There was something genderless about her posts with you. She had those great conversations with you; I was always posing like I understood half of it. It was all so proper, so coy, a great awakening for me to realize I still cared enough to at least go a sparkin if only virtually. I saw her on the litkicks a couple of months ago. Good to know she is still kicking.
Another pen pal of mine with a head so hard it is a diamond. I have not heard from her in many months, we used to talk about the possibility of intimacy between friends with out sex; I used to think of Bing Crosby movies about priests and nuns.
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as Freud said of Lou Salome
I don’t have much need to talk about my emotions because most of the time they speak for themselves. Except for anger. I am prone to try to see some humor in that and think twice before I speak from anger.

In the real world I don’t know how love works between men and women, I remember a line from the Savage God, something like, “the power flowed between them like water from one vessel to another” The best lovers I have ever had were women I felt I could just act natural.




Fools rush in

This maybe the dumbest thing I have writen. I Feel tongue tied and inarticulate on the subject. It was a summer night, we were walking across the mall in College Parkk, it started to rain and we ran to the portico of the anthropology building. We were both so happy we hugged each other.That was the hug that started it. Then we were in her warm bed? A blank, did we dirve walk, was it my bed? Like a memory of a former life. Vague and tender.

ramble, this almost looks like English. But I can't read it. Aphasia. I can write but I can't read. almost deleted this

Instead I keep adding to it. The last time I came within hugging distance of a woman I froze up again inside. If nothing else she could have used a friend to rub her aching back. :twisted: is about how I feel about myself and women. Autistic. two or three years latter I realize that was my last chance. But to tell the truth sometimes I miss the trucking more than the fucking.

































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Lyrics for Album: Great Days: The John Prine Anthology

Small town, bright lights, Saturday night,
Pinballs and pool halls flashing their lights.
Making change behind the counter in a penny arcade
Sat the fat girl daughter of Virginia and Ray

(Spoken:)
Lydia
Lydia hid her thoughts like a cat
Behind her small eyes sunk deep in her fat.
She read romance magazines up in her room
And felt just like Sunday on Saturday afternoon.

Chorus:
But dreaming just comes natural
Like the first breath from a baby,
Like sunshine feeding daisies,
Like the love hidden deep in your heart.

Bunk beds, shaved heads, Saturday night,
A warehouse of strangers with sixty watt lights.
Staring through the ceiling, just wanting to be
Lay one of too many, a young PFC:

(Spoken:)
Donald
There were spaces between Donald and whatever he said.
Strangers had forced him to live in his head.
He envisioned the details of romantic scenes
After midnight in the stillness of the barracks latrine.

Repeat Chorus:

Hot love, cold love, no love at all.
A portrait of guilt is hung on the wall.
Nothing is wrong, nothing is right.
Donald and Lydia made love that night.

(Spoken:)
Love
The made love in the mountains, they made love in the streams,
They made love in the valleys, they made love in their dreams.
But when they were finished there was nothing to say,
'Cause mostly they made love from ten miles away.

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Post by abcrystcats » April 11th, 2005, 12:19 pm

sorry for my impatience, I just thought there might be some simple and straightforward answers to these questions. When I was young, relations between the sexes seemed simple and straightforward. I don't ever remember it being this complicated, or people carrying around so much heavy emotional baggage.

My sexual and emotional relationships with men were dictated by feelings and the impulses of the moment. I didn't have to think about what was the right way to approach someone, it just happened. If I wanted to know the answer to a question, I just asked it, and I usually got the answer without too much trouble. Some pleasant coaxing was sometimes necessary, but that's exactly what it was -- it was pleasurable for both parties, the coaxing process. It didn't feel as if you were invading sacred territory.

I didn't worry, I just lived as myself. And it looked to me as if the male others I associated with did the same thing. Whatever they were, it worked for them and it worked for me. Now, being MYSELF just arouses suspicion and mistrust. I can back off, but playing games seems unnatural to me.

Guess I'm just rambling. Thanks for responding everybody, anyways.

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Post by stilltrucking » April 11th, 2005, 4:27 pm

I just thought there might be some simple and straightforward answers to these questions.
Yes there is a simple answer.

Desire is Suffering

I know that because
I suffer like hell,

Meanwhile life is beautiful here in Doreen's garden for the terminally broken hearted.
Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy.
-- Guillaume Apollinair


sorry for not being more helpful, :(
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Post by Marksman45 » April 11th, 2005, 4:51 pm

I don't question the validity of the question. Men and women are fundamentally different, and I also believe that there are fewer types of people than others seem to think -- but I don't want to get into a discussion on individuality here

There's one question I get from *every* woman I have a relationship with, and I have *never* been able answer it. It is that question that seems to crop up every time there's a moment of quiet, whether it is an awkward silence or a pleasant, comfortable stillness. This question is "What are you thinking?"
I have difficulty with this because, for one, whatever I am thinking would require a great deal of explanation as to *why* I'm thinking it (my thoughts get strange and obscure, and rarely ever have anything to do with what I'm currently doing), and I Hate to explain what I'm thinking, because the explanations that make sense to me don't make sense to other people, and that makes it awkward, and I find awkwardness to be especially painful and odious.

Or, as is often the case, <i>I'm Not Thinking Anything</i>. Not thinking is wonderful. Everyone should try it.


I'm not nearly as shy and frightened as I used to be, and so I will tell someone anything -- provided that they *ask* about it; I have supreme difficulty saying something for which there is no proper context of saying. And if the question is too general, I can't answer it. I have nowhere to start; I can only answer specific questions.

In the past, when I was more shy and frightened, I was deathly afraid of being found inadequate by a female, in whatever way. Sharing emotions was scary; what if there was something I felt that would scare her away or cause her to reject me or this or that or...
A woman can be very terrifying. The concept of failing with a woman can at times feel like failing as a man; or, it could be a situation where a man feels like this woman is the most wonderful, most beautiful he has ever met, and then he becomes horrified of screwing the whole thing up.


I'm also not very emotional, at least not anymore. I don't have much in the way of feelings. I rarely find myself feeling happy or sad or angry. But affection is a different story.


Feelings are selfish, all about <i>I, me</i>; what is happening and how I feel about it -- am I getting what I want? Are my expectations being disappointed or fulfilled? Does what is happening to me make me sad or angry or happy or afraid?

Affection is about being <i>affected</i>, being touched. It has nothing to do with wants or expectations. You know what I mean, right? Like when you're Affected by a work of art.
Problem is, it's extremely difficult for me to verbalize to a woman that she Affects me. The closest I can come is "You amaze me" or something along those lines. I used to say "I love you" but it turns out that apparently that scares people.



As for how to break through the male guardedness, I think being less formal. "Hanging out" is a lot less stressful than "going out." It's easier for a man (or at least me) to get-to-know someone casually than in a "date" situation. Of course, it's easy to become friends this way -- but I've been attracted to the majority of female friends that I've had. I've heard the "we're friends and I don't want to mess that up" speech more times than I can remember -- but I don't know of any occasion when I, or any male, has had that same problem. I don't think men have any qualms about a friendship growing into a more intimate relationship.

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Post by stilltrucking » April 12th, 2005, 6:49 am

I been trying to deal with the rags of old age. It is good to remember what it is to be dressed in the splendor of youth.

carry on beautiful brother.

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Post by sooZen » April 13th, 2005, 7:19 am

Cat...I don't think it has ever been simple. The human mating dance is about as complex as any creatures, living or dead. Even porcupines don't have to get beyond huge egos and large minds to the tender, ready to be wounded, bleeding hearts.

If the sexes manage to make it that far...it is a neverending dance which goes on the life of the relationship no matter the length of said relationship. The mating ritual continues until parting or death, whichever comes first.

I can never fully understand him...he will never fully understand me. My girlfriends know 'exactly' what I am talking about, he has no clue. And isn't that part of the beauty...this mystery? After all these years together...I can assure you that we still surprise each other daily, get pissed weekly and make-up more than we make-out.

I got lucky...I mated with a friend, someone I admire, enjoy, share with and most of all...trust. We are there, thick and thin, for each other. None of this happens without perserverance, commitment, forgiveness and a willingness to compromise for another human being...never easy, never.

Marksman...when she asks, "What are you thinking?" she just means, "Stop the inner dialog and speak to me." What you are thinking doesn't really matter, communication beyond does.

Still Truck...
"I been trying to deal with the rags of old age. It is good to remember what it is to be dressed in the splendor of youth."

touching words, beautiful...except I would never go back, even if I could. The angst of the young and/or dating...no thanks. Hah!

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