Jacko Trial--Sex Crimes?

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Jacko Trial--Sex Crimes?

Post by Lightning Rod » June 5th, 2005, 11:27 am

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Jackson Trial--No Peeking, Now
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The Michael Jackson case has gone to jury. I don't know if the man is guilty or not. I don't know him and I didn't sit through the months of testimony in his trial. But I do have some experience with the justice system in this country. I know how skewed and arbitrary it can be. Trials, and especially show trials like the Jackson case are not so much about law and justice as they are about theatrics.

Frankly Scarlet I don't give a good goddamn whether or not Michael Jackson stuck his hands in some boy's Fruit-of-the-Looms. Certainly not enough to spend 10 million bucks of public money to put him in stocks in front of the courthouse. And that's just the wasted taxpayer money. It doesn't count the wasted efforts of the legion of reporters and news organizations that are covering this trial instead of doing their actual job, which is reporting news about real crimes like George Bush lying us into a war that has cost thousands of lives.

So, on the backdrop of the Supreme Court ruling last week which let Arthur Anderson off the hook after proven complicity in the Enron scandal which cost thousands of people their jobs and their pensions, we have the fabulously important issue coming to jury of whether or not Michael Jackson used vaseline.

The Poet's Eye has a tear for the American justice system. It's hard to tell if it's a tear of joy or a tear of sorrow. That's because I have mixed emotions about this subject. Our adversarial system of justice is great in theory, but in practice it stinks. Witness the Jacko trial. It has been a carnival, almost as bad as the OJ trial.

The Jackson trial is a particularly egregious example of what our justice system has become. A circus. Everybody has something at stake, a career, a fortune, freedom, a reputation. This is not Justice, this is theater, a public morality play.

To start with, we have two very different judicial systems, one for the rich and famous and one for john q average American. Just as in the case of healthcare, being wealthy or famous buys you a better deal. If you are Martha Stewart or Michael Jackson or John DeLorean, you are held to different standards than if you are a pedestrian in Dallas or Cleveland.

If you are to believe the prosecution in this case, Jacko is a sinister pedophile who spent millions building his home into an amusement park where he could lure young boys for the purpose of sexual predation. He is obviously a pervert according to Sneddon and crew, look what an eccentric lifestyle he has and just look at how he went from a wide nosed little black boy to the Phantom of the Opera. You just know there's something strange about the guy, plus he has all that money.

Michael Jackson was a sitting duck for a different kind of predator. When the mother of the young cancer victim who Jacko is accused of assaulting with a friendly weapon came into Sneddon's office with the accusations, I'm sure you could hear the slot machines go ka-ching, ka-ching. It was a marriage made in heaven, a career shake-down artist and a suburban small-town district attorney with political ambitions going after a rich, famous pop star who everyone thinks is a weirdo anyway. It was a potential publicity and economic bonanza. Visions of endless damage suits and book deals and movie rights were surely dancing in their heads.

That's the dark and sad part about the American justice system, it has very little to do with justice. It is a meat grinding bureaucracy that gobbles up people's lives and spits them out. District attorney's offices are hotbeds of political ambition and greed, and they use their powers to advance careers and to exact vendettas.

Let me tell you a story. It's about a guy I met in prison. He was doing time for rape. If there was ever anyone who didn't need to be in prison, it was this guy. He was harmless and gentle and he studied the Bible in the original Greek. Here was the situation: he had been dating his girlfriend for several years. They were both students at Abilene Christian University on the Lubbock campus. One night their heavy petting went to the next logical step and they did the wild thing. The next morning the chic starts having post-coital regrets and says something about the incident to her roommate. The roommate convinces her that she has been raped (bullshit) and the poor boyfriend ends up with seven years in the slam.

There is a native hysteria associated with sexual 'crimes.' Even in the joint, it's a stigma to be a sex criminal, especially a rapo or a pederast. Murderers get more respect than 'short eyes.' Every week we hear of twenty or thirty young American lives taken in the criminal war in Iraq. But instead of trying George Bush for murder, we are wasting millions to try a pop star who's worst possible crime was plying young boys with alcohol, and we don't even know if that is true.

The test for rape is consent, not age. If force or coercion or drug induced unconsciousness is employed it is rape at any age. I don't know about you, but I had sexual awareness and a sexual identity well before I was eighteen and legal. In case you haven't noticed, young girls these days reach menses as early as eight years old. That leaves ten years before they can have legal sex. Is something wrong with this picture? Real love is possible before the age of eighteen. Mary Kay LeTourneau and her young lover (now her husband) are an example of this. This young man was not raped, he was loved.

The Poet's Eye sees that we are all guilty of sex crimes. My right hand was raping me when I was ten. And I loved it. We express our guilt with elaborate and expensive exercises like the Michael Jackson trial. And then we have the gall to call it Justice.

"In America you can have all the Justice you can afford."--Lrod
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Post by e_dog » June 5th, 2005, 12:14 pm

good piece for the most part, but i have to object to some of the end points.

Lrod wrote:
"The test for rape is consent, not age. If force or coercion or drug induced unconsciousness is employed it is rape at any age. I don't know about you, but I had sexual awareness and a sexual identity well before I was eighteen and legal."
age serves as a proxy for consent. the key is that children can be over-powered by adults in such a way that their consent is not free, or is deemed so by society to counteract the risk that it isn't free. power relations can be manifested not merely through physical force or drugs but through relations of social hierarchy: child-adult; boss-employee, etc. etc. which is why we have laws concerning sexual harassment and statutory rape which dn't apply to, say, adults outside the office.
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Post by Lightning Rod » June 5th, 2005, 12:22 pm

dog,
I know this is a touchy subject
(pun intended)

I hesitated to even approach it. But when I did, I had to get nekked with it.

Sure, power (adult over child, employer over employee, rock star over groupie, etc) is a significant factor in any sexual encounter, even in the holy bonds of matrimony.

The issue that I am addressing here is consent. The age of consent is whenever you want it.
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Post by Doreen Peri » June 5th, 2005, 2:34 pm

Frankly, I don't give a good goddamn whether or not Michael Jackson stuck his hands in some boy's Fruit-of-the-Looms. Certainly not enough to spend 10 million bucks of public money to put him in stocks in front of the courthouse. And that's just the wasted taxpayer money. It doesn't count the wasted efforts of the legion of reporters and news organizations that are covering this trial instead of doing their actual job, which is reporting news about real crimes like George Bush lying us into a war that has cost thousands of lives.
Hey, if Michael Jackson stuck his hands or anything else in some boy's Fruit-of-the-Looms, it's a crime and he should go to prison for it. You cannot discount the fact that this would be a criminal act. It IS a "real crime" as real as any other crime. To suggest that it isn't, is criminal.

If you want to complain about the media frenzy and the amount of $ being spent on the trial, that's understandable.

But if you are attempting to defend Mr. Jackson by suggesting he is innocent....after you admit that you didn't hear the testimonies... OR... if you are implying that it doesn't matter at all if he's guilty of the charges or not because you don't consider it important.... Well, that's sad. Very.

If indeed Mr. Jackson has committed acts as a sexual predator... if indeed the charges of pedophilia are true, then he is a criminal and needs to pay the price of his crime(s).

Sure, the justice system isn't perfect. Sure, those with big bucks get a different system than the ordinary Joe. And it is entirely possible that the mother is making false accusations in order to make a buck.

BUT.... IF it's true, Mr. Jackson should be locked up and removed from society so he doesn't hurt any more boys. The glory of our justice system is that there obviously was ample evidence for someone to bring charges. This tells me that the case is important enough to be heard. They don't waste their time bringing charges against someone without evidence.

Let the system work. If you don't believe in the system, OK, fine, and if you think that they are spending too much money on it, fine, and if you think the media frenzy is too flamboyant, fine.... BUT if you think it's not an important enough case to try and dismiss the nature of the alleged offense as unimportant, than that's just plain negligent reporting. Sorry.

If the man is innocent, he should be found innocent. But if he is guilty, this is extremely important because if he is guilty, he has victimized a young man, he has abused someone.... and he should pay for what he's done.

Pedophilia must be stopped!

Please do not dismiss it as not a "real" crime.

It is all too real.

:(

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Post by hester_prynne » June 5th, 2005, 3:32 pm

Pedophilia must be stopped, but we don't have the tools to really stop it do we? Not when there is money in the mix. We can't stop anything that is backed by money, criminal or otherwise. That has got to be obvious to any moron in this country at this point. But how many can we even count as moronic in this country anymore? A moronic level in the USA is high level these days.

I'm sure there is political diversion money backing jackson's trial...
because the american public is much more interested in celebrity, and politicians avoid celebrity for this very reason!

Politicians equate themselves to "holy authorities", (and we buy this!), celebrities are the paradox, "sinner authorities"! We relate more to the "sinner", and we obey the "holy". Politicians have got it made!

In my mind, Jackson is more than likely a pedophile. I feel sorry for him that his money has given him license to redefine what he is doing. He needs help, he needs to not have his overnight parties with adolescent boys, it all seems very unhealthy and suspect to me. I mean do lots of adults do what Jackson does with kids? Do lots of men orchestrate overnights with teen boys? Does this seem right?

We can talk ourselves into believing that whatever we do is "good" and if we have lots of money, we can maybe even get away with it. Money is tooooooooo much power, pays for toooooo much denial.......

isn't that something we can learn from this?

The fact that someone has lots of money makes us all act like we are beggars and servants. This has got to stop. I say burn all the fucking money! Then what would happen?

I know people who have no money at all, but boy, are they rich.......
I mean, really rich......
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Post by stilltrucking » June 6th, 2005, 10:09 pm

A moronic level in the USA is high level these days.
:( thought.

Not so much moronic as somnambulant. In the early seventies I used to hear a lot of talk about The Unmediated Man

Who said the media is the message? I think I read that on Studio Eight.
Trying to make a point but it is just out of my reach. I never watched any TV untill I was about twelve, my generation maybe the last one not mediated by it. How do you get people to open their eyes to the world as it is, not as it appears to be on the evening news.

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Post by e_dog » June 6th, 2005, 10:33 pm

stilltruckin wrote: [quote]"normalizing the realm of the human mind as

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Post by stilltrucking » June 6th, 2005, 11:33 pm

I know what he said but someone here on S8 said "the media is the message" I thought it was you. The quote is from a PHD thesis, sorry I did not give the url wait a minute I will see if I can find it. I was googling for "unmediated man"


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What the heck do you mean
a paste I presume
,why do you think I put it in quotes. Don't pull that stuff on me, :P
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Post by e_dog » June 7th, 2005, 9:48 am

stilltruckin,

you are right, but off by a word. what i said was "the media is the messiah." see:

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2957


as for the rest, please don't get overly sensitive and paranoid on me, man. my saying "a paste i presume" was simply calling attention to the strange characters (boxes, etc.) that showed on the post. also, the "quotes" don't add up, at least as my machine reads it, there is an odd number which calls for deciphering -- i.e. inputting missing quotation marks -- and doesn't ensure that the whole will be interpreted as "in quotes." an interesting effect perhaps. knowbody's looking down on knowone.
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Post by ren&stimpy » June 7th, 2005, 1:19 pm

Frankly Scarlet I don't give a good goddamn whether or not Michael Jackson stuck his hands in some boy's Fruit-of-the-Looms.


That's right cowboy, the Jacko the Chester show trial is simply another episode in the Cali cartoon court system. We may not care for Jacko or his cheap pop product-- I don't-- but when putting Jacko's actions in context, you realize the conservative "media" (tho neo-cons continually proclaim it's the "liberal media") have in effect tarred and feathered the freak.

Minds more acute than ours might speculate whether these show trials are some sort of duplicitous right-wing stunt that keep the plebes from contemplating, say, the sight of Iraqi cities turned to rubble and decorated with human hamburger. The show trial has become some group ritual akin to cyber-stoning, wherein the selected chi chi celeb is put on display for the excoriation process; the Cali court as much a prime-time Reality Show--Survivor Santa Barbara--as it is a form of due process.

As any one who has been forced to endure some time in the hands of the Caiaphas gang realizes, justice is about as dependent on a judge's or prosecutor's hangover status--or his whore's "complicity" status--as it is on the Constitution. Indeed were some magic lantern available--the old Twilight Zone truth serum, say-- to reveal the presence of Chesterness of various human-primates, one suspects most Judges and prosecutors would rate "Certifiable Chester," if not "Canberra-bound."

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Post by Lightning Rod » June 13th, 2005, 8:26 pm

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Post by mtmynd » June 14th, 2005, 11:02 am

thank gawd. and now on to more important things like impeachment. :)

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Post by hester_prynne » June 14th, 2005, 5:09 pm

INDEED! Cec, you are talkin my language now....
Impeachment!

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Post by ren&stimpy » June 14th, 2005, 6:51 pm

Eiither way, the Jacko the Chester show was absurd and nauseating. I'm not sure Jacko is nearly as obscene as the right wing zealots who were hoping to see him in Corc for the rest of his life.

And the thing about juries: what is to prevent 'em from lying or acquitting people who are really guilty?

How do you know a human is lying? his lips are moving (or his fingers are typing).


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Post by Lightning Rod » June 14th, 2005, 7:44 pm

In the last day or so, since the Jackson acquittal we have heard every possible pun and pedophile joke, all starring the King of Pop. Regardless of the outcome of his trial, Michael will remain forever and always a child molester in the minds of most. This is a sad thought, but true.

Even though twelve good and true men and women found him innocent of all charges, pedo-feel-a-ya is one of those accusations that is impossible to wash off, it's indelible. We can forgive murder or High Treason before we forgive child rape. And even if a jury says it wasn't so, mothers will forever gather their children closer to their knees when he is around.

I'm happy and sad about the Jackson affair. I'm glad that a jury could see beyond rumor and innuendo and sensationalism to return a verdict on the merits of the facts. What I'm sad about is that a black partnership between a con-woman celebrity stalker and an ambitious district attorney can throw anybody's life into rack and ruin, no matter how rich and famous or poor and obscure they happen to be. Every district attorney loves a good snitch, even when the snitch has vested interests and no history of veracity. The Poet's Eye would like to see Sneddon and the predatory biatch mother of the 'victim' prosecuted for perjury and for bringing the case to court in the first place.

It's gratifying to see that Jackson's faith in our legal system was justified. If Jacko had been guilty and had an adult cynicism about our courts, he would have escaped Neverland one dark night in disguise and been spirited away to an awaiting private jet and by morning he could have been safely in Bankok kicked back with hot and cold running little boys.

It must be just the Peter Pan in me or else the Pollyanna, because I don't think Michael is anything other than exactly what he says he is, a guy who loves children and identifies with them. Letting a child sleep in his bed is no more proof that he is a child molester than letting his chimps sleep with him is proof of beastiality. He surely didn't hide the fact that he had pre-pubescent bed mates, in fact he advertised it. Aren't child molesters supposed to skulk around and maintain a veil of guilty secrecy about their nefarious deeds?

The American court system exacts a great toll on its victims. Families and fortunes are destroyed by it every day. I have seen it with my own eyes. And I'm not talking about Martha Stewart. I'm talking about anybody whose freedom is at stake. Just having to deal with a court case, especially a criminal case, even if you are innocent and win it, should qualify you for treatment for post traumatic stress disorder. If you are unfortunate enough to be a typical citizen and not fabulously wealthy or famous, the expense and burden and trauma of being tried for a crime, no matter how small, can be devastating to not only the life of the accused, but to their families as well.

I have not only seen this, I have experienced it. In my college days, I was charged with possession of a small amount of marijuana. Did they find this marijuana on my person? No. Did they find it in my room or my apartment or my car? No. They found it somewhere in a basement of an apartment building where I lived. They had no way to connect this little bag of herb to me. There were no fingerprints on it or witnesses to testify that they had seen me put it there. But I was the long-hair in the building. Did I smoke pot? Sure, I did. Was that particular pot mine? No.

After two years of traumatic turmoil and expense, the case came to court. The judge listened to about two hours of testimony and argument and then I heard the gavel come down. BANG. The judge said, "I've heard all of this I can stand." Then he handed down an Instructed verdict of not guilty. The judge saw immediately that the charges were bogus, the same way the jury in the Jackson trial did. He dismissed the charges and sent me home, but it had still cost me two years of pain and suffering and thousands of dollars for which I was entitled to no compensation.

There was some small compensation. About a year later I was pushing my shopping cart down the aisle of the local A&P. I looked up to see the assistant district attorney who had been the prosecutor in my dismissed case. When he saw me he got a sheepish look and came over to me and said, "I just wanted to let you know that I am not doing that anymore, I'm in private practice. And I also wanted to apologize. That case should have never come to court."

Can you imagine Mr. Sneddon meeting Mr. Jackson in the supermarket and apologizing? Nah, never gonna happen.
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