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PLEASE MY GOD!!!
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i AWAIT YOUR EVERY WORD!!!
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PLEASE
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OK OK, lr GIVE ME SOME WISDUMB!!
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GIVE ME SOME MAIL. I WANT I WANT!!!!
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G,
If you are signed in, you should be able to see it on your own posts. It's in the top right of your posting window. I would appreciate it if you didn't delete, but it's up to you.
You can always use the edit button and just erase what you don't want there. But when you do this, it makes the thread hard to follow.
If you are signed in, you should be able to see it on your own posts. It's in the top right of your posting window. I would appreciate it if you didn't delete, but it's up to you.
You can always use the edit button and just erase what you don't want there. But when you do this, it makes the thread hard to follow.
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I am sick oF GETTING DEAD ANIMALS IN THE MAIL FROM TREVOR IS ALL....
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"Trevor, I write my truth. That is it. I did not get L-Rod’s comment and I don’t care what he has to say anyway. "
That's what I'm talking about when I said I don't think any of it sunk in anyways. Who cares that you write your truth if its poorly written, riddled with typos, errors and so forth? And how can you ask for advice then go on to say you don't care what someone has to say? Makes no sense....is all you want to hear is praise? For the record, all LR, was doing is stressing the importance of editing...something which seems to be eluding your grasp.
"Fresh, I have not read your stuff and like most stuff I don’t read on here it is probably stupid and poem with a lot of “wind blown over roses” and shit like that in it. "
What does my work have to do with you wanting to be published? I don't see the point of what my work is or is not in conjunction with you wanting to be published? I'll be truthful though since you are wondering so heavily about my work. 90 percent, if not a touch or two more, is complete and utter garbage. ehhh, probably closer to 95 percent actually. And 90 percent of what I've posted on the net, which is about 10 percent of my work, is complete trash as well. Once a writer realizes this stuff, leaves the ego at the door, it makes getting down to work a whole lot easier.
"I was curious here to know if any one knew an editor, or even if an editor would correct my work, like a person to proof read."
Well you didn't ask that question did you? You just posted a zillion shorts under the title, "Publishing advice anyone?"....and to answer your new question....an editor won't proof read your work unless they are publishing it, even then they expect to do a minimal amount of repair work. Very few editors will even give you personal opinions or feedback, usually they'll just say, "thank you for your submission but unfortunately we are not interested in publishing your material at this time" and other standard replies.
"And one more thing Trevor a lot of shit bores the hell out of me and there is a market for it, so I am thinking there is a market for everything."
There certainly is a marketplace for everything and perhaps some magazine may publish some of your work or if all else fails, you can publish it yourself. However, even though there is a big market and yes, I agree, there are some things boring as hell that get published, but even the boring stuff is still usually well written.
"And you ask “would you send that to a publisher?” And waste a fucking stamp; do you think I am a complete fucking moron, well, maybe right?"
No I don't think you are a moron, never said that or implied it...I think you're getting the wrong impression of what I was saying and focusing on the negative rather than the positive. I'm being blunt, candid and honest because I think your work has merit...I think if you polish some of it up, a couple pieces could be quite good. However, if I lied and told you that your work was all wonderful, you wouldn't change a thing and just give yourself a pat on the back and to be honest, if you are seeking to be published, your material needs work, not accolades.
"I have not read enough of your stuff to make a bold generalization, but what ever you usually wrote about and if it is prized here, that tell you nothing!"
Again, what does my work have to do with you wanting to get published?
"Ps although I respect your comments, you are in no way any better than I am and if you don’t like what you read by me, fucking stop reading it then, plain and simple…."
Hmmm, when did I say I was better than you? Lose the inferiority complex and wipe the chip off your shoulder. Never did I say that nor did I imply it. You are totally missing the point of my comments and by your childish response I have to wonder if you are serious about getting published or are you just looking to hear someone say how wonderful your work is? You ask for help "I was just looking for someone to help me edit and some suggestions about arranging the shorts." and when someone is truly honest and candid about their opinions of your work, your response is to tell them not to read your work.....so what are you going to do when a publisher says the same? Tell them to stop fucking reading your work? I mean we can all take that stance, I can easily say, if you don't like my comments then stop fucking posting, but now that would be silly wouldn't it? So take the good with the bad and don't dismiss someone's opinion of your work just because they didn't say what you wanted to hear.
"I found what you wrote hurtful to be honest, but I think it is good that you are honest..."
Well I do apologize for that, but its not meant to be hurtful, just very truthful....and not even the whole truth, but the truth about my opinions regarding your work. I'm sure there are some here who would disagree with my opinions and they are valid as well. Also, I'm not trying to discourage you with what I have said, in fact the opposite, I'm trying to light a fire under your seat and wipe the day-dreaming stars out of your eyes. Lets face it, you posted all this because you wanted someone to tell you how great these stories are ... and along comes mean old pissy pants Trevor and takes a pot shot at your balloon and tells you these stories need work, a lot of work. Where do I get the balls you may ask? I'll tell ya, I have the balls to say I dislike someone's writing because I have the balls to hear how shitty my own work might be....and if you want to improve your work and grow as a writer, you have to get some thicker skin and take a few shots on the chin. You also have to learn that what someone says about your work, they are not saying about you. If I say a story of yours is dull, I'm not calling you a dullard. If I say I dislike a story, I'm not saying I dislike the author. If I say a piece has typos, I'm not saying the writer can't spell...and so on. I'm sorry if I didn't use kid gloves with you, perhaps I just wasn't in the mood to be wishy washy and wanted to be blunt and direct. Sometimes that approach works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyways, like I've said a couple times now, take what you will from my comments.
That's what I'm talking about when I said I don't think any of it sunk in anyways. Who cares that you write your truth if its poorly written, riddled with typos, errors and so forth? And how can you ask for advice then go on to say you don't care what someone has to say? Makes no sense....is all you want to hear is praise? For the record, all LR, was doing is stressing the importance of editing...something which seems to be eluding your grasp.
"Fresh, I have not read your stuff and like most stuff I don’t read on here it is probably stupid and poem with a lot of “wind blown over roses” and shit like that in it. "
What does my work have to do with you wanting to be published? I don't see the point of what my work is or is not in conjunction with you wanting to be published? I'll be truthful though since you are wondering so heavily about my work. 90 percent, if not a touch or two more, is complete and utter garbage. ehhh, probably closer to 95 percent actually. And 90 percent of what I've posted on the net, which is about 10 percent of my work, is complete trash as well. Once a writer realizes this stuff, leaves the ego at the door, it makes getting down to work a whole lot easier.
"I was curious here to know if any one knew an editor, or even if an editor would correct my work, like a person to proof read."
Well you didn't ask that question did you? You just posted a zillion shorts under the title, "Publishing advice anyone?"....and to answer your new question....an editor won't proof read your work unless they are publishing it, even then they expect to do a minimal amount of repair work. Very few editors will even give you personal opinions or feedback, usually they'll just say, "thank you for your submission but unfortunately we are not interested in publishing your material at this time" and other standard replies.
"And one more thing Trevor a lot of shit bores the hell out of me and there is a market for it, so I am thinking there is a market for everything."
There certainly is a marketplace for everything and perhaps some magazine may publish some of your work or if all else fails, you can publish it yourself. However, even though there is a big market and yes, I agree, there are some things boring as hell that get published, but even the boring stuff is still usually well written.
"And you ask “would you send that to a publisher?” And waste a fucking stamp; do you think I am a complete fucking moron, well, maybe right?"
No I don't think you are a moron, never said that or implied it...I think you're getting the wrong impression of what I was saying and focusing on the negative rather than the positive. I'm being blunt, candid and honest because I think your work has merit...I think if you polish some of it up, a couple pieces could be quite good. However, if I lied and told you that your work was all wonderful, you wouldn't change a thing and just give yourself a pat on the back and to be honest, if you are seeking to be published, your material needs work, not accolades.
"I have not read enough of your stuff to make a bold generalization, but what ever you usually wrote about and if it is prized here, that tell you nothing!"
Again, what does my work have to do with you wanting to get published?
"Ps although I respect your comments, you are in no way any better than I am and if you don’t like what you read by me, fucking stop reading it then, plain and simple…."
Hmmm, when did I say I was better than you? Lose the inferiority complex and wipe the chip off your shoulder. Never did I say that nor did I imply it. You are totally missing the point of my comments and by your childish response I have to wonder if you are serious about getting published or are you just looking to hear someone say how wonderful your work is? You ask for help "I was just looking for someone to help me edit and some suggestions about arranging the shorts." and when someone is truly honest and candid about their opinions of your work, your response is to tell them not to read your work.....so what are you going to do when a publisher says the same? Tell them to stop fucking reading your work? I mean we can all take that stance, I can easily say, if you don't like my comments then stop fucking posting, but now that would be silly wouldn't it? So take the good with the bad and don't dismiss someone's opinion of your work just because they didn't say what you wanted to hear.
"I found what you wrote hurtful to be honest, but I think it is good that you are honest..."
Well I do apologize for that, but its not meant to be hurtful, just very truthful....and not even the whole truth, but the truth about my opinions regarding your work. I'm sure there are some here who would disagree with my opinions and they are valid as well. Also, I'm not trying to discourage you with what I have said, in fact the opposite, I'm trying to light a fire under your seat and wipe the day-dreaming stars out of your eyes. Lets face it, you posted all this because you wanted someone to tell you how great these stories are ... and along comes mean old pissy pants Trevor and takes a pot shot at your balloon and tells you these stories need work, a lot of work. Where do I get the balls you may ask? I'll tell ya, I have the balls to say I dislike someone's writing because I have the balls to hear how shitty my own work might be....and if you want to improve your work and grow as a writer, you have to get some thicker skin and take a few shots on the chin. You also have to learn that what someone says about your work, they are not saying about you. If I say a story of yours is dull, I'm not calling you a dullard. If I say I dislike a story, I'm not saying I dislike the author. If I say a piece has typos, I'm not saying the writer can't spell...and so on. I'm sorry if I didn't use kid gloves with you, perhaps I just wasn't in the mood to be wishy washy and wanted to be blunt and direct. Sometimes that approach works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyways, like I've said a couple times now, take what you will from my comments.
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lOOK TREVOR YOU WANT TO TELL ME ABOUT THIS MONKEY SHIT HERE? IT IS WEIRD KIND OF YOU KNOW?
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LR,
Thanks for sending the painting and also a copy of Oral Sets my way. I look forward to recieving them. I'll do my best to give you my candid opinion for whatever that's worth these days...seems you and Doreen are about the only ones who don't seem to mind that I don't like every tid bit of art produced....lol
The funny thing about opinions regarding art....people have absolutely no problem slamming other people's art, even maliciously and hurtfully as long as the artist never hears it. I mean people will go on and on about how shitty a movie was, but whammo, put the director in front of that person and its all lovey dovey. What's wrong with a bit of honesty? I've rarely gone into meanie mode when critiquing, only if the person reallllly pisses me off, but I'd like to think that when someone asks me my opinion of something, I give them as honest a reply as possible. Now mind you, I sometimes leave out the bitter and just concentrate on the sweet, but I really do try to give a writer a full spectrum of my opinion. I think its important...nothing but praise leads to stagnation and unless your on a high plateau and your writing is the cat's ass, stagnation is a killer.
When other artist friends and close friends started asking my opinion of their work, they were taken back by some of my comments and a few even turned a deep shade of radish....and I was even more gentle back then....but one thing that pissed me off soooooo much was when I started writing, I couldn't get an honest opinion from anyone. I showed some people and they all said they loved my poetry but their faces said something else....the more I showed, the more "I love it!" I would get but I never felt they were sincere....so a half a year dragged by and I looked at my work again and it had changed...suddenly all this beautiful angst ridden poetry had turned into a big steaming pile of shit....I re-read it a dozen times and it still was shit....and finally, there and then, I knew it was shit....back then I'd say my good to bad writing ratio was about 1:100 But I was so bothered that no one gave me their honest opinion that I stopped showing my work for years. Even now, unless dealing with an editor, I'm very leary of most people's good comments and usually only concentrate on the criticism because I feel those are the only comments I can truly trust.
Now I figure the only way to get honesty is to give it...so by being honest with my opinions, I try to encourage people do the same with me. Rip my work up, crap all over it, wipe your dog's ass with it, even praise it if you feel it has merit....I'm not saying I'll agree with every opinion, and I may even argue about it, but that's what its all about...that's the breeding ground of transforming mediocrity into something special. That's why we discuss things, and not only the good, but the bad as well. When someone says I don't like this or that, it forces us to re-think it and even then what has been created may stay the same, but at least a new perspective was examined. Well at least that's my take on it all.
Geoff,
"I am really hurt by it. I am not meanin to be arrogant I just don't like when people are mean to me."
I don't think you were trying to be arrogant, however, I do think you have the blinders on right now. Also, what was it that upset you so much? Why do you think I was being mean to you? I'm always open to discussion so feel free to talk about it instead of just storming off.
It's a shame you deleted all that work off the boards. I was sincere about my offer to go through it all and offer more help. So I gotta wonder, are you sincere about wanting to get published, or are you just fishing for praise? Ever read King Lear? Funny thing about all this is, for me -- honesty equates to respect...but for many, only kind words equals respect. Opinions aren't about agreeing or disagreeing, its about communication, its about presenting your thoughts and ideas to the world, its about releasing your true voice....no sense having an opinion if you are only go to say what someone wants to hear instead of what you really feel because that's not an opinion, that's lip service. And sure, false feel good comments do feel good and are at times necessary to get by in the world, but false praise is like herion -- the high is real, but the good feeling is a lie...a pollutant...a falsehood. And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the harder it is to get out.
So surround yourself with "yes" people if you wish...accept only praise and run away from alternative comments, that is your poragative....however, you could always take off the rose petal glasses, take out the ear plugs and get dirty in the mud for a bit.
"delet it"
Btw, "delet it" is spelled delete it.
"I am sick of all the post I have with the most replys are stupid arguments, I am sick of it all-fuck it..."
Now when you throw a tantrum like that, how is anyone supposed to take your work seriously? Get a hold of yourself man. We're not curing cancer here or sacraficing newborns, we're just writing and discussing writing.
"I know i have to edit.... okay now just forget it please, I take it all back I am having a shity day is all..."
Shity is spelled shitty Geoff man, you have to lighten up a bit. You're gonna give yourself a seizure. 
Anyways, that's all I have for now.
Thanks for sending the painting and also a copy of Oral Sets my way. I look forward to recieving them. I'll do my best to give you my candid opinion for whatever that's worth these days...seems you and Doreen are about the only ones who don't seem to mind that I don't like every tid bit of art produced....lol
The funny thing about opinions regarding art....people have absolutely no problem slamming other people's art, even maliciously and hurtfully as long as the artist never hears it. I mean people will go on and on about how shitty a movie was, but whammo, put the director in front of that person and its all lovey dovey. What's wrong with a bit of honesty? I've rarely gone into meanie mode when critiquing, only if the person reallllly pisses me off, but I'd like to think that when someone asks me my opinion of something, I give them as honest a reply as possible. Now mind you, I sometimes leave out the bitter and just concentrate on the sweet, but I really do try to give a writer a full spectrum of my opinion. I think its important...nothing but praise leads to stagnation and unless your on a high plateau and your writing is the cat's ass, stagnation is a killer.
When other artist friends and close friends started asking my opinion of their work, they were taken back by some of my comments and a few even turned a deep shade of radish....and I was even more gentle back then....but one thing that pissed me off soooooo much was when I started writing, I couldn't get an honest opinion from anyone. I showed some people and they all said they loved my poetry but their faces said something else....the more I showed, the more "I love it!" I would get but I never felt they were sincere....so a half a year dragged by and I looked at my work again and it had changed...suddenly all this beautiful angst ridden poetry had turned into a big steaming pile of shit....I re-read it a dozen times and it still was shit....and finally, there and then, I knew it was shit....back then I'd say my good to bad writing ratio was about 1:100 But I was so bothered that no one gave me their honest opinion that I stopped showing my work for years. Even now, unless dealing with an editor, I'm very leary of most people's good comments and usually only concentrate on the criticism because I feel those are the only comments I can truly trust.
Now I figure the only way to get honesty is to give it...so by being honest with my opinions, I try to encourage people do the same with me. Rip my work up, crap all over it, wipe your dog's ass with it, even praise it if you feel it has merit....I'm not saying I'll agree with every opinion, and I may even argue about it, but that's what its all about...that's the breeding ground of transforming mediocrity into something special. That's why we discuss things, and not only the good, but the bad as well. When someone says I don't like this or that, it forces us to re-think it and even then what has been created may stay the same, but at least a new perspective was examined. Well at least that's my take on it all.
Geoff,
"I am really hurt by it. I am not meanin to be arrogant I just don't like when people are mean to me."
I don't think you were trying to be arrogant, however, I do think you have the blinders on right now. Also, what was it that upset you so much? Why do you think I was being mean to you? I'm always open to discussion so feel free to talk about it instead of just storming off.
It's a shame you deleted all that work off the boards. I was sincere about my offer to go through it all and offer more help. So I gotta wonder, are you sincere about wanting to get published, or are you just fishing for praise? Ever read King Lear? Funny thing about all this is, for me -- honesty equates to respect...but for many, only kind words equals respect. Opinions aren't about agreeing or disagreeing, its about communication, its about presenting your thoughts and ideas to the world, its about releasing your true voice....no sense having an opinion if you are only go to say what someone wants to hear instead of what you really feel because that's not an opinion, that's lip service. And sure, false feel good comments do feel good and are at times necessary to get by in the world, but false praise is like herion -- the high is real, but the good feeling is a lie...a pollutant...a falsehood. And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the harder it is to get out.
So surround yourself with "yes" people if you wish...accept only praise and run away from alternative comments, that is your poragative....however, you could always take off the rose petal glasses, take out the ear plugs and get dirty in the mud for a bit.
"delet it"
Btw, "delet it" is spelled delete it.
"I am sick of all the post I have with the most replys are stupid arguments, I am sick of it all-fuck it..."
Now when you throw a tantrum like that, how is anyone supposed to take your work seriously? Get a hold of yourself man. We're not curing cancer here or sacraficing newborns, we're just writing and discussing writing.
"I know i have to edit.... okay now just forget it please, I take it all back I am having a shity day is all..."
Shity is spelled shitty
Geoff man, you have to lighten up a bit. You're gonna give yourself a seizure. Anyways, that's all I have for now.
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Hi Trevor.So surround yourself with "yes" people if you wish...accept only praise and run away from alternative comments, that is your poragative....however, you could always take off the rose petal glasses, take out the ear plugs and get dirty in the mud for a bit.
"delet it"
Btw, "delet it" is spelled delete it.
Just wanted to point out that you spelled "prerogative" wrong.
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