I'm going to stop posting to this thread for a while.
Peace.
Katrina - Mother of All Terror
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Yeah me too this double string is driving me crazy.
Why is New Orleans below sea level?
The law of unintended consequences
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The Causes of Coastal Impacts on Coastal Louisiana
The fundamental problem facing the region today is the loss of that balance. Human activities such as levee construction, and channelization have to a large extent shut down the land building part of the process. Millions of tons of land-building sediment are now dumped into the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico rather than into the marsh where they could create or stabilize land.
At the same time the land-building process was effectively halted, human activities were also altering or stressing existing wetlands to the point that, during the twentieth century, more than one million acres have been lost. Lost not primarily to actual development but to open water. Thousands of miles of oil and gas canals and navigation channels have carved up the coastal marshes, changing their hydrology and making them vulnerable to saltwater intrusion.
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/arc ... /davis.htm
NEW ORLEANS—JUST NORTH OF ATLANTIS?The Problem with Louisiana's Disappearing Coastal Wetlands
Will New Orleans sink into the sea like the mythical Atlantis? Will mermaids be lifting their shirts to get strings of beads? Not likely, but over the last 50 years, the state of Louisiana has been losing more than 40 square miles of coastal wetlands each year. And since the wetlands act as a storm buffer, their disappearance will leave New Orleans more exposed to the effects of big hurricanes
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/03-0 ... rticle.htm
10:00 Gulf Coast: Rescue and Relief Efforts
Many thousands of people still need to be evacuated from New Orleans. We'll get an update on the ongoing rescue efforts and longer term relief plans
Guests
Michael Tidwell, author of "Bayou Farewell: The Rich Life and Tragic Death of Louisiana's Cajun Coast."
Barry Scanlon, SVP, James Lee Witt Associates
former advisor at FEMA
Thomas La Point, director, Institute of Applied Science, University of North Texas
Adam Sieminski, chief energy economist,
Deutsche Bank
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/
The show is on now you can replay and listen anytime.
Worth listening to.
Why is New Orleans below sea level?
The law of unintended consequences
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The Causes of Coastal Impacts on Coastal Louisiana
The fundamental problem facing the region today is the loss of that balance. Human activities such as levee construction, and channelization have to a large extent shut down the land building part of the process. Millions of tons of land-building sediment are now dumped into the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico rather than into the marsh where they could create or stabilize land.
At the same time the land-building process was effectively halted, human activities were also altering or stressing existing wetlands to the point that, during the twentieth century, more than one million acres have been lost. Lost not primarily to actual development but to open water. Thousands of miles of oil and gas canals and navigation channels have carved up the coastal marshes, changing their hydrology and making them vulnerable to saltwater intrusion.
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/arc ... /davis.htm
NEW ORLEANS—JUST NORTH OF ATLANTIS?The Problem with Louisiana's Disappearing Coastal Wetlands
Will New Orleans sink into the sea like the mythical Atlantis? Will mermaids be lifting their shirts to get strings of beads? Not likely, but over the last 50 years, the state of Louisiana has been losing more than 40 square miles of coastal wetlands each year. And since the wetlands act as a storm buffer, their disappearance will leave New Orleans more exposed to the effects of big hurricanes
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/03-0 ... rticle.htm
10:00 Gulf Coast: Rescue and Relief Efforts
Many thousands of people still need to be evacuated from New Orleans. We'll get an update on the ongoing rescue efforts and longer term relief plans
Guests
Michael Tidwell, author of "Bayou Farewell: The Rich Life and Tragic Death of Louisiana's Cajun Coast."
Barry Scanlon, SVP, James Lee Witt Associates
former advisor at FEMA
Thomas La Point, director, Institute of Applied Science, University of North Texas
Adam Sieminski, chief energy economist,
Deutsche Bank
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/
The show is on now you can replay and listen anytime.
Worth listening to.
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Unbelievable.
I just heard a lady on the phone on CNN who is stranded at the Ritz Carlton in New Orleans with no electricity, no water, no food, and backed up plumbing without ANY sign of any help. No National Guard. No emergency responders. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
*sigh*
If you have access to cable tv and can turn on CNN, I encourage you to do so, so that you can see the live footage of the conditions these people are experiencing, along with the stories which are coming in minute by minute and the progress of the potential help which may be coming.
Snipers are shooting at police on the street. It's just way crazy.
Where IS the National Guard???? Are they all in Iraq???? Geezzzzz
I just heard a lady on the phone on CNN who is stranded at the Ritz Carlton in New Orleans with no electricity, no water, no food, and backed up plumbing without ANY sign of any help. No National Guard. No emergency responders. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
*sigh*
If you have access to cable tv and can turn on CNN, I encourage you to do so, so that you can see the live footage of the conditions these people are experiencing, along with the stories which are coming in minute by minute and the progress of the potential help which may be coming.
Snipers are shooting at police on the street. It's just way crazy.
Where IS the National Guard???? Are they all in Iraq???? Geezzzzz
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1500 guardsman on the way, somewhere I read that on studio eight. Yeah I am only going to follow one thread. Just can't deal with it. I got no cable, part of my problem, I get so tired of watching the commercials in between the story. Just leaning on NPR and going to watch McNeil News hour and BBC.
I have seen enough for today. It is hard for these local reporters to hide their joy at having such a hot story to report. Ratings are up. And if you can fake sincerity you got it made.
I have seen enough for today. It is hard for these local reporters to hide their joy at having such a hot story to report. Ratings are up. And if you can fake sincerity you got it made.
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Yes, I just listened to Michael Brown, the FEMA director.
You can watch some videos here if you want
http://www.cnn.com/
You can watch some videos here if you want
http://www.cnn.com/
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Oh yeah Mike Brown, fiddling with his right ear, got a feed to Bushco getting the answers. McNeil is so smooth, trips him up. Pauses for answers. Yeah he has everything he needs. No problems Bush is in control Odd choice of words talking about Katrina a "fascinating event". Yep no problems Mike is on the job.
Everybody is eating good, two days and some shelters with out food
just did a quick google on old mike.
Paula Zahn is about to kill the head of FEMA
by John in DC - 9/01/2005 08:12:00 PM
FEMA Director Mike Brown talks to Paula Zahn moments ago:
Paula Zahn: How can it be that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of victims have not received any food and water more than 100 hours after Katrina hit.
FEMA's Mike Brown: Paula, I think it's so important for the American public to understand exactly how catastrophic this disaster is. I think we have a major American city, a major urban area, that has been totally demolished. And what we're finding is, is that as we continue to do the evacuation and get peoplpe out, people who have completely lost everything, they have no place to go, they have nothing, that we're finding other people who are literally coming out of second stories of homes, there are some even appearing on bridges that are not underwater, that people who were unable or chose not to evacuate are suddenly appearing. And so this catastrphic disaster continu4s to grow.
I will tell you this though, every person in that convention center, we just learned about that today. And so I had directed that we have all available resources to get to that convention center to make certain that they have the food and water, the medical care they need...
A clearly pissed Paula Zahn: Sir, you're not telling me, you're not telling me you just learned that the folks at the convention center didn't have food and water until today did you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?
FEMA's Brown: Paula, the federal government did not even know about the convention center people until today. We have been doing the evacuations from the superdome for several days, we're taking people out from the superdome to Houston and San Antonio. The people from the superdome have been fed
http://americablog.org/
Fire Michael Brown as FEMA head,Rep. Wexler urges President Bushjewishsightseeing.com, Jan. 26, 2005
U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla) has urged President Bush to fire Michael Brown as undersecretary of the Homeland Security Department in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).Wexler cited reports in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that FEMA under Brown's management inappropriately gave away $30 million in disaster relief funds to people in the Miami, Florida, area even though they were not affected by Hurricane Frances, which made landfall more than 100 miles away.
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/dhh_we ... r-fema.htm
Everybody is eating good, two days and some shelters with out food
just did a quick google on old mike.
Paula Zahn is about to kill the head of FEMA
by John in DC - 9/01/2005 08:12:00 PM
FEMA Director Mike Brown talks to Paula Zahn moments ago:
Paula Zahn: How can it be that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of victims have not received any food and water more than 100 hours after Katrina hit.
FEMA's Mike Brown: Paula, I think it's so important for the American public to understand exactly how catastrophic this disaster is. I think we have a major American city, a major urban area, that has been totally demolished. And what we're finding is, is that as we continue to do the evacuation and get peoplpe out, people who have completely lost everything, they have no place to go, they have nothing, that we're finding other people who are literally coming out of second stories of homes, there are some even appearing on bridges that are not underwater, that people who were unable or chose not to evacuate are suddenly appearing. And so this catastrphic disaster continu4s to grow.
I will tell you this though, every person in that convention center, we just learned about that today. And so I had directed that we have all available resources to get to that convention center to make certain that they have the food and water, the medical care they need...
A clearly pissed Paula Zahn: Sir, you're not telling me, you're not telling me you just learned that the folks at the convention center didn't have food and water until today did you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?
FEMA's Brown: Paula, the federal government did not even know about the convention center people until today. We have been doing the evacuations from the superdome for several days, we're taking people out from the superdome to Houston and San Antonio. The people from the superdome have been fed
http://americablog.org/
Fire Michael Brown as FEMA head,Rep. Wexler urges President Bushjewishsightseeing.com, Jan. 26, 2005
U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla) has urged President Bush to fire Michael Brown as undersecretary of the Homeland Security Department in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).Wexler cited reports in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that FEMA under Brown's management inappropriately gave away $30 million in disaster relief funds to people in the Miami, Florida, area even though they were not affected by Hurricane Frances, which made landfall more than 100 miles away.
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/dhh_we ... r-fema.htm
Nice to know "Auntie" (that's the BBC) is appreciated elsewhere. I recommend Radio4 - do you listen to it stilltruckin?stilltrucking wrote:going to watch McNeil News hour and BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/index.shtml?logo
There's a feast for the mind! Most programmes can be heard again for up to a week.
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Raido 4 and Radio 7
This Sceptred Isle, HHGG, Reith Lecutes. I can't remember all the shows. We don't have anything like it here. NPR is pretty good. But not as much variety, I mean the drama and Comedies much better on BBC. I guess we are still the colonies.
On an unrelated note. A truck driver never sees the good side of a city. But I have seen few cities that looked so much like a third world country as New Orleans. Poorest city I have have ever seen. Incredible what is going on in America. Our arc of empire will be a short one I think.
This Sceptred Isle, HHGG, Reith Lecutes. I can't remember all the shows. We don't have anything like it here. NPR is pretty good. But not as much variety, I mean the drama and Comedies much better on BBC. I guess we are still the colonies.
On an unrelated note. A truck driver never sees the good side of a city. But I have seen few cities that looked so much like a third world country as New Orleans. Poorest city I have have ever seen. Incredible what is going on in America. Our arc of empire will be a short one I think.
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i'm confused by something .... and maybe this seems trivial, compared to all the destruction and loss, but i just don't understand it.
why is it that in every article i read, in every newscast i hear about the looting and chaos that is happening in New Orleans right now, i hear the mention of rapes? why are there rapes happening during this? why multiple occurances, enough to mention in every article?
when people everywhere are lost and afraid, when people are starving, dehydrated and drowning, surrounded in a nightmare of unsanitary conditions, you rape?? in a state of anarchy, in a situation of lawlessness, that's what you do ... you rape?? i can understand the stealing of food, even expensive merchandise that can be perhaps later sold or traded for other means of survival. i can understand fighting and bursts of violence over cots and supplies. but rape?
this makes it seem like the only thing stopping a much higher occurance of rapes is the presence of an orderly poilce force. i thought only psychos were rapists. but is it just regular people, waiting for the police to be busy with something else?
why?
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti ... topstories
why is it that in every article i read, in every newscast i hear about the looting and chaos that is happening in New Orleans right now, i hear the mention of rapes? why are there rapes happening during this? why multiple occurances, enough to mention in every article?
when people everywhere are lost and afraid, when people are starving, dehydrated and drowning, surrounded in a nightmare of unsanitary conditions, you rape?? in a state of anarchy, in a situation of lawlessness, that's what you do ... you rape?? i can understand the stealing of food, even expensive merchandise that can be perhaps later sold or traded for other means of survival. i can understand fighting and bursts of violence over cots and supplies. but rape?
this makes it seem like the only thing stopping a much higher occurance of rapes is the presence of an orderly poilce force. i thought only psychos were rapists. but is it just regular people, waiting for the police to be busy with something else?
why?
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti ... topstories
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McNeill News hour last night. A professor from the University Of Colorado at Boulder named Tierney. He asked her about the looting. She said exaggerations. She said there was a lot of sensationalism going on. She did not mention rapes. But I wonder if the reports of rapes are sensationalism too. This sounds sick GA but how many rapes are normal? It is open season on women 24/7 in the good old USA. Or so it seems to me. there was also a cop on the head of the police chiefs association I think. On the looting he said that cops usualy look the other way when people are looting diapers, water, food, etc. I been trying to be careful what I watch and listen to. I don't have much respect for our free press anymore.
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Ok fucking finally
Listen stay glued to your tv, cause you need your images. but if you get bored tune into NPR this morning. Tony Blakely the bush appologist for the Washington Times pissed. Says every thing fucked up from poor leader ship from the president on down. Mike brown and the reast of the lackeys all political appointtess the chickens coming home tooo roost. Bunch of got dam screw ups. Babies dieing in the astrodome but never mind that. Every thing is under control. Do not turn off your tv set. Fuck NPR
Diane Rehms I love you
Listen stay glued to your tv, cause you need your images. but if you get bored tune into NPR this morning. Tony Blakely the bush appologist for the Washington Times pissed. Says every thing fucked up from poor leader ship from the president on down. Mike brown and the reast of the lackeys all political appointtess the chickens coming home tooo roost. Bunch of got dam screw ups. Babies dieing in the astrodome but never mind that. Every thing is under control. Do not turn off your tv set. Fuck NPR
Diane Rehms I love you
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All your television reports are interesting to this long-time (24 years) tv abstainer. Thank you for your impressions. I'm still not turning on the God-Almighty Tube . . .
Here is Jason Raimondo's take on the connection between Katrina and The Iraq War.
Just the link, for those of you who are interested. His own article contains many hyperlinks, as usual:
(link)
http://antiwar.com/justin/
--Z
Here is Jason Raimondo's take on the connection between Katrina and The Iraq War.
Just the link, for those of you who are interested. His own article contains many hyperlinks, as usual:
(link)
http://antiwar.com/justin/
--Z
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"More than 3,000 – or about 35% – of Louisiana's National Guard troops are in Iraq right now, too. Forty percent of Mississippi's are. Gone too are many of the guard's generators, high-water vehicles, and refuelers.
"The federal government has again failed at the one thing it's actually supposed to do: Protect us from outside threats. Perversely, this failure is the direct result of a fool's errand carried out in response to the massive failure of four years ago.
"Shoring up the levees and water pumps would have cost a mere $250 million, about a day-and-a-half of wartime operations in Iraq."
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No time to look at the links now but later. Riventing article. Thanks
Just heard on the radio that armed gangs are roaming the streets. National Guard given orders to shoot to kill.
That Paste thingy I stole that from you. Makes more sense to me than using the quote brackets for long articles. So hard to read those things in that quote box. Always learning from you Prof Z. Did you catch the bit about Unintended Consequences.
Taking a long time to get the guard troops to NO, I wonder how many of their trucks are in Iraq too.
"More than 3,000 – or about 35% – of Louisiana's National Guard troops are in Iraq right now, too. Forty percent of Mississippi's are. Gone too are many of the guard's generators, high-water vehicles, and refuelers.
"The federal government has again failed at the one thing it's actually supposed to do: Protect us from outside threats. Perversely, this failure is the direct result of a fool's errand carried out in response to the massive failure of four years ago.
"Shoring up the levees and water pumps would have cost a mere $250 million, about a day-and-a-half of wartime operations in Iraq."
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No time to look at the links now but later. Riventing article. Thanks
Just heard on the radio that armed gangs are roaming the streets. National Guard given orders to shoot to kill.
That Paste thingy I stole that from you. Makes more sense to me than using the quote brackets for long articles. So hard to read those things in that quote box. Always learning from you Prof Z. Did you catch the bit about Unintended Consequences.
Taking a long time to get the guard troops to NO, I wonder how many of their trucks are in Iraq too.
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the Tragically Hip, a Canadian band i don't believe you get much of in the USA. they'll be opening for the Rolling Stones tomorrow in Moncton, and i'm sure they'll be singing this song which they released a number of years ago...
New Orleans Is Sinking
Alright,
Bourbon blues on the street, loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue green
I can't forsake a dixie dead shake
So we danced the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in?
New Orleans is sinking man
And I don't wanna swim
Colonel Tom, what's wrong? what's going on?
You can't tie yourself up for a deal
He said, Hey north, you're south. shut your big mouth,
You gotta do what you feel is real
Ain't got no picture postcards, ain't got no souvenirs
My baby, she don't know me when I'm thinking bout those years
Pale as a light bulb hanging on a wire
Sucking up to someone just to stoke the fire
Picking out the highlights of the scenery
I saw a little cloud that looked a little like me
I had my hands in the river
My feet back up on the banks
I looked up to the lord above
And said, hey man thanks
Sometimes I feel so good, I gotta scream
She said Gordie baby I know exactly what you mean
She said, she said, I swear to god she said
My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in?
New Orleans is sinking man and I don't wanna swim
Swim!
New Orleans Is Sinking
Alright,
Bourbon blues on the street, loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue green
I can't forsake a dixie dead shake
So we danced the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in?
New Orleans is sinking man
And I don't wanna swim
Colonel Tom, what's wrong? what's going on?
You can't tie yourself up for a deal
He said, Hey north, you're south. shut your big mouth,
You gotta do what you feel is real
Ain't got no picture postcards, ain't got no souvenirs
My baby, she don't know me when I'm thinking bout those years
Pale as a light bulb hanging on a wire
Sucking up to someone just to stoke the fire
Picking out the highlights of the scenery
I saw a little cloud that looked a little like me
I had my hands in the river
My feet back up on the banks
I looked up to the lord above
And said, hey man thanks
Sometimes I feel so good, I gotta scream
She said Gordie baby I know exactly what you mean
She said, she said, I swear to god she said
My memory is muddy
What's this river that I'm in?
New Orleans is sinking man and I don't wanna swim
Swim!
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