i prefer real person event too...i don't know what its about, can't wait to meet you guys in person, seems ridiculous that it hasn't happened yet.
i highly doubt there are that many communities out here like this you know...maybe i haven't done "the research."
as far as honesty, i'm always a very open person, i think i fit in here because others are here, where as i get weird looks for being so god damn honest in reality.
just how many writing sites........
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What would have turned you off?
My mouth? My nose? The way I
curl my toes when I make love
to the written word? The sound
of my laugh? My lack of craft
when it comes to vocabulary?
My very odd delays between speech
and articulation? The way I move the
relation between verbs to nouns or
the way I sound when I cry? Would
it be the way my eyes try not to
catch yours when the sun reflects
from them so vividly it blinds me?
What would have turned you off?
The way my humor finds me at a loss
for tears? The way I cannot fathom
the disappeared years of pets and cousins?
What is so weird about wanting touch?
What is so strange about the desire for
a kiss or wink or nod? What part of God
wouldn't be able to comprehend the intention
of physical relation?
No. It is not odd
to arrange contact.
It is not strange to
affect connection.
Perhaps, if I met him first in Jimmy's
Old Town Tavern, his cowboy hat tipped
to my wink, I wouldn't think twice about
a trip to Texas. It would have taken much
less time and by now, we'd be ready for
divorce.
But we chose poetry.
We chose poetry, instead.
Which part of me would you have divorced
had you not met me first in verse and meter?
My mouth? My nose? The way I
curl my toes when I make love
to the written word? The sound
of my laugh? My lack of craft
when it comes to vocabulary?
My very odd delays between speech
and articulation? The way I move the
relation between verbs to nouns or
the way I sound when I cry? Would
it be the way my eyes try not to
catch yours when the sun reflects
from them so vividly it blinds me?
What would have turned you off?
The way my humor finds me at a loss
for tears? The way I cannot fathom
the disappeared years of pets and cousins?
What is so weird about wanting touch?
What is so strange about the desire for
a kiss or wink or nod? What part of God
wouldn't be able to comprehend the intention
of physical relation?
No. It is not odd
to arrange contact.
It is not strange to
affect connection.
Perhaps, if I met him first in Jimmy's
Old Town Tavern, his cowboy hat tipped
to my wink, I wouldn't think twice about
a trip to Texas. It would have taken much
less time and by now, we'd be ready for
divorce.
But we chose poetry.
We chose poetry, instead.
Which part of me would you have divorced
had you not met me first in verse and meter?
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I wrote the poem to abcrystcats in reply to her last post. And if she says nothing, that's ok. 
PS- what could possibly be more poetically than that?
Oh yeah.
Silence.
Silence is the most poetic thing there is. Except music, of course. But mostly, it's the silence in between the beats and tones which make a piece.
PS- what could possibly be more poetically than that?
Oh yeah.
Silence.
Silence is the most poetic thing there is. Except music, of course. But mostly, it's the silence in between the beats and tones which make a piece.
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doreen
Smoking, for one thing. That is one of my many prejudices.
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OK. Well, I promise not to blow smoke in your face. 
And if you ever came to visit, we'd smoke outside. I won't ask what the other things are. (reference - "for one thing")
About your statement, Cat, that meeting people in person who you have first met online is "darn weird" – I agree wholeheartedly with K&D who said, "seems ridiculous that it hasn't happened yet."
To me, this media is good for communication but it's certainly not a place to live. As I've told you before, I've met many people in person who I first met online. Seems strange NOT to. I have taken trips to meet people, including LR (and now, as you know, we are a 3-year-long "item") Had I not flown to Texas to meet him, I would not have this relationship and that would have been a great loss to my life.
Plus, we have done shows with people from all over the country. The 2 Cabaradios we did never would have happened without the internet. We met Perry Lindstrom via an internet introduction by Star Jewel Smith who we had never set eyes on. She contacted us and asked us to go out to the Arlington TV station and do the pilot for Perry's "The Poetic Eye" cable series. (yes, coincidental name in that it's almost exactly the same as LR's column..... but I truly believe that there are no coincidences. Everything is as it should be.)
After shooting that show, we went a couple of weeks later to Perry's home and did another shoot which included interviews and poetry readings. Who was there? Perry, Star, Andrew Lundwall, Levi, Firecracker, LR and I. Every single one of us met first on the internet. That show would have never been shot if it wasn't for the internet. We would never have met those people had it not been for the net.
Almost every poet who was in our first Cabaradio show, we met originally on the net. The net also gave me the opportunity to get in contact with an old and dear friend of mine who I hadn't seen for 25 years, Laurie Gilkenson, who has a theater company and worked with us on the first show to bring together the additional performers in the show... singers and dancers.
The second Cabaradio show also included people I originally met on the net. As a matter of fact, that's how I found the stand-up comics. I did a google search for local comedians and there they were. I contacted several of them and we started communicating by email. I didn't meet them in person until the rehearsal.
This is what many people use the net for. The link I posted above for Wireman is to a website which has the sole purpose of connecting local artists, for instance. Many people use the net to promote their events. Many people use the net to promote their availability (meaning dating purposes .... they meet people with similar interests first on the net, then set up a time to meet to have dinner or drinks, etc.)
It is not at all unusual for people to originally meet on the net then plan to meet in person. My son is 22. When he was a teenager, many of his real life in-person friends were friends he met originally on the net. This is not unusual at all for the younger set. I'd drive him to the Maryland side of the beltway regularly to meet two girls who he had befriended on the net and their parents would often drive the girls here to spend time with my son.
I met Wireman originally at Litkicks and when we found out we lived near each other, the first thing we did was set up a time to meet for a drink. (He's not too hip on cigarettes either, so I blew my smoke in another direction. ) Anyway, if it wasn't for meeting him online, we never would have done shows together in Baltimore and Bethesda.
I could go on and on but I'll stop this rambling by just saying that it is more the norm to meet people in person that you originally met on the net than you realize. Many many people do it. And for some, that's the only reason they use the net..... to make contact with local people who they can meet in person. It's not weird at all.
And if you ever came to visit, we'd smoke outside. I won't ask what the other things are. (reference - "for one thing")About your statement, Cat, that meeting people in person who you have first met online is "darn weird" – I agree wholeheartedly with K&D who said, "seems ridiculous that it hasn't happened yet."
To me, this media is good for communication but it's certainly not a place to live. As I've told you before, I've met many people in person who I first met online. Seems strange NOT to. I have taken trips to meet people, including LR (and now, as you know, we are a 3-year-long "item"
) Had I not flown to Texas to meet him, I would not have this relationship and that would have been a great loss to my life.Plus, we have done shows with people from all over the country. The 2 Cabaradios we did never would have happened without the internet. We met Perry Lindstrom via an internet introduction by Star Jewel Smith who we had never set eyes on. She contacted us and asked us to go out to the Arlington TV station and do the pilot for Perry's "The Poetic Eye" cable series. (yes, coincidental name in that it's almost exactly the same as LR's column..... but I truly believe that there are no coincidences. Everything is as it should be.)
After shooting that show, we went a couple of weeks later to Perry's home and did another shoot which included interviews and poetry readings. Who was there? Perry, Star, Andrew Lundwall, Levi, Firecracker, LR and I. Every single one of us met first on the internet. That show would have never been shot if it wasn't for the internet. We would never have met those people had it not been for the net.
Almost every poet who was in our first Cabaradio show, we met originally on the net. The net also gave me the opportunity to get in contact with an old and dear friend of mine who I hadn't seen for 25 years, Laurie Gilkenson, who has a theater company and worked with us on the first show to bring together the additional performers in the show... singers and dancers.
The second Cabaradio show also included people I originally met on the net. As a matter of fact, that's how I found the stand-up comics. I did a google search for local comedians and there they were. I contacted several of them and we started communicating by email. I didn't meet them in person until the rehearsal.
This is what many people use the net for. The link I posted above for Wireman is to a website which has the sole purpose of connecting local artists, for instance. Many people use the net to promote their events. Many people use the net to promote their availability (meaning dating purposes .... they meet people with similar interests first on the net, then set up a time to meet to have dinner or drinks, etc.)
It is not at all unusual for people to originally meet on the net then plan to meet in person. My son is 22. When he was a teenager, many of his real life in-person friends were friends he met originally on the net. This is not unusual at all for the younger set. I'd drive him to the Maryland side of the beltway regularly to meet two girls who he had befriended on the net and their parents would often drive the girls here to spend time with my son.
I met Wireman originally at Litkicks and when we found out we lived near each other, the first thing we did was set up a time to meet for a drink. (He's not too hip on cigarettes either, so I blew my smoke in another direction.
) Anyway, if it wasn't for meeting him online, we never would have done shows together in Baltimore and Bethesda. I could go on and on but I'll stop this rambling by just saying that it is more the norm to meet people in person that you originally met on the net than you realize. Many many people do it. And for some, that's the only reason they use the net..... to make contact with local people who they can meet in person. It's not weird at all.
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Doreen:
How many of the people on Studio Eight have you met in person? How many people are actively using Studio Eight?
How many of the people on Arcanum have you met in person? How many people are actively using Arcanum?
And, OK, how many of the people on either website would you LIKE to meet, but haven't met? There must be MANY.
So how can you say meeting people in person is the "norm" on the internet? How can it be, when so many of us live 1000s of miles apart? It's not even even possible, let alone the "norm."
No, this is another way for people to connect. A DIFFERENT way, not the extension of the OLD way. It's a new way. It's actually a way that helps us to unmask our own fears and prejudices. Some may be more open-minded about that part than others, but I really don't care. Inevitably, this medium is going to change the world, and it will first change our relationships WITH OTHERS.
OK, so I am still a creature of the old world, and I still crave sight, sound, physical intimacy and that whole thing. How long will it take us to evolve OUT of those preferences? I don't know. But I believe it WILL happen, at least, to a certain extent. The internet will help to change this. I know it sounds like a science fiction fantasy, but I think we'll change.
I was going for a walk the other day and my body felt stiff and unfamiliar from the waist down. Walking at my old normal rapid pace and just BEING UPRIGHT felt strange to me. I started to think how we were all becoming SEATED creatures, sitting in front of computers, at desks, and typing away. After thousands of years of that, our arms would grow strong and long. Our fingers would grow longer and more flexible. Our eyes would get bigger, and maybe our brains as well. Our legs might atrophy and become weak. Our spines might not be able to support our upright, walking, moving bodies as well as they do now. Maybe our bellies would get bigger too. That would make sense that our trunks would thicken in order to help us maintain our comfort in a seated position.
None of this sounds terribly strange. The body evolves as our NEED for it does. and our emotional requirements will probably do the same. We may be having very different kinds of relationships with each other in a few hundred years ....
I kind of LIKE this. Yes, it's got its limitations, but that is because I haven't evolved to do without the physical, visual and so on. If I didn't have those needs, this would be GREAT. Like I said, LOOK at all the neat people I've met who I normally would have just passed by! Who was the loser? Me before the internet or me now? I think I lost a lot more before this ....
The internet is also designed to cut through YEARS of prevaricating, years of IMPRESSIONS, years of self-delusion. I wish I had seen my last (late, great, it looks like) boyfriend through the mirror of the internet before I ever met him in person. I would have been so disgusted I wouldn't have touched him with a ten foot pole. Instead, I wasted years of my life because I knew him personally before I got a chance to see his heart. It was too late because by the time I was able to see the truth, I was already involved.
The body is just a smokescreen, a camouflage. All the things we are able to project or not project WITH our bodies is EXACTLY the same. It's just a trick we play on others, that's all. It doesn't MATTER that you smoke. It doesn't MATTER what subtle tricks my mind and its prejudices plays on me, through my sensory impressions. What MATTERS is YOU. The inside part, the part that you have developed and worked on, that has suffered and prayed and cried and raged at the world. It's the part that creates and thinks. The part that rises above.
Call me an ass, but I actually think the internet is the first move towards a real understanding of the human spirit. I don't think it's bullshit. I would be a REAL human cynic if I thought that most people were using the internet for THAT. I agree with Clay that the internet brings out our true feelings and inspires confession and honesty. It's a long way from honesty to truth, but I think we are slowly going to get there.
How many of the people on Studio Eight have you met in person? How many people are actively using Studio Eight?
How many of the people on Arcanum have you met in person? How many people are actively using Arcanum?
And, OK, how many of the people on either website would you LIKE to meet, but haven't met? There must be MANY.
So how can you say meeting people in person is the "norm" on the internet? How can it be, when so many of us live 1000s of miles apart? It's not even even possible, let alone the "norm."
No, this is another way for people to connect. A DIFFERENT way, not the extension of the OLD way. It's a new way. It's actually a way that helps us to unmask our own fears and prejudices. Some may be more open-minded about that part than others, but I really don't care. Inevitably, this medium is going to change the world, and it will first change our relationships WITH OTHERS.
OK, so I am still a creature of the old world, and I still crave sight, sound, physical intimacy and that whole thing. How long will it take us to evolve OUT of those preferences? I don't know. But I believe it WILL happen, at least, to a certain extent. The internet will help to change this. I know it sounds like a science fiction fantasy, but I think we'll change.
I was going for a walk the other day and my body felt stiff and unfamiliar from the waist down. Walking at my old normal rapid pace and just BEING UPRIGHT felt strange to me. I started to think how we were all becoming SEATED creatures, sitting in front of computers, at desks, and typing away. After thousands of years of that, our arms would grow strong and long. Our fingers would grow longer and more flexible. Our eyes would get bigger, and maybe our brains as well. Our legs might atrophy and become weak. Our spines might not be able to support our upright, walking, moving bodies as well as they do now. Maybe our bellies would get bigger too. That would make sense that our trunks would thicken in order to help us maintain our comfort in a seated position.
None of this sounds terribly strange. The body evolves as our NEED for it does. and our emotional requirements will probably do the same. We may be having very different kinds of relationships with each other in a few hundred years ....
I kind of LIKE this. Yes, it's got its limitations, but that is because I haven't evolved to do without the physical, visual and so on. If I didn't have those needs, this would be GREAT. Like I said, LOOK at all the neat people I've met who I normally would have just passed by! Who was the loser? Me before the internet or me now? I think I lost a lot more before this ....
The internet is also designed to cut through YEARS of prevaricating, years of IMPRESSIONS, years of self-delusion. I wish I had seen my last (late, great, it looks like) boyfriend through the mirror of the internet before I ever met him in person. I would have been so disgusted I wouldn't have touched him with a ten foot pole. Instead, I wasted years of my life because I knew him personally before I got a chance to see his heart. It was too late because by the time I was able to see the truth, I was already involved.
The body is just a smokescreen, a camouflage. All the things we are able to project or not project WITH our bodies is EXACTLY the same. It's just a trick we play on others, that's all. It doesn't MATTER that you smoke. It doesn't MATTER what subtle tricks my mind and its prejudices plays on me, through my sensory impressions. What MATTERS is YOU. The inside part, the part that you have developed and worked on, that has suffered and prayed and cried and raged at the world. It's the part that creates and thinks. The part that rises above.
Call me an ass, but I actually think the internet is the first move towards a real understanding of the human spirit. I don't think it's bullshit. I would be a REAL human cynic if I thought that most people were using the internet for THAT. I agree with Clay that the internet brings out our true feelings and inspires confession and honesty. It's a long way from honesty to truth, but I think we are slowly going to get there.
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well, personally, i like having internet higher intuitions as well as a physical body that moves.
As long as this incarnation is where i find myself, i want to keep this physical body fit and ready for any eventuality. There's never any guarantees that the life situation i currently find myself will be the same that i'm dropped into 20 years from now.
i might very well depend on my physical strength just to survive daily living. For this reason, i've given up the delusion that Net life is the new way of living. It is an additional tool to the main gig, which is flesh and blood, chakras and serendipity body and brain.
To meet? I wish! That's the new highway i want to travel down - the instant transposition from x,y in my home to a,b to yours - just for a face to face discussion, interaction and sharing of raccoon noises or lost cats and then home again.
To have an international poetry jam just for the day with no pain, no jet lagged re-meshing to home time aftershock.
To do these things are the 'new' i'm hoping for.
Meanwhile, it's a bloody miracle that we have the option to converse, to merge, to respond simply by writing.
And it's a bleedin (i'm into cockney this morning) joy that whatever i learn from the net in terms of connecting directly to mind and soul, i can bring back to my daily life. Visual distractions are truly only that- visual distractions if i let them be. If i rise above those vibes of pre-judgement, i can use the visual for what it is: more information about a person. I can look into the eyes, read the aura, the lips, the physiognamy in general. I can sense the mood, the stance just as i can watch how a person moves. It's all information and happily there for the picking.
It's all good! I only have to open my senses and widen my ability to receive.
writing sites? Who wanted to know about writing sites?
time for a Thistles and Marigolds plug:
http://tribes.tribe.net/poetryjams
As long as this incarnation is where i find myself, i want to keep this physical body fit and ready for any eventuality. There's never any guarantees that the life situation i currently find myself will be the same that i'm dropped into 20 years from now.
i might very well depend on my physical strength just to survive daily living. For this reason, i've given up the delusion that Net life is the new way of living. It is an additional tool to the main gig, which is flesh and blood, chakras and serendipity body and brain.
To meet? I wish! That's the new highway i want to travel down - the instant transposition from x,y in my home to a,b to yours - just for a face to face discussion, interaction and sharing of raccoon noises or lost cats and then home again.
To have an international poetry jam just for the day with no pain, no jet lagged re-meshing to home time aftershock.
To do these things are the 'new' i'm hoping for.
Meanwhile, it's a bloody miracle that we have the option to converse, to merge, to respond simply by writing.
And it's a bleedin (i'm into cockney this morning) joy that whatever i learn from the net in terms of connecting directly to mind and soul, i can bring back to my daily life. Visual distractions are truly only that- visual distractions if i let them be. If i rise above those vibes of pre-judgement, i can use the visual for what it is: more information about a person. I can look into the eyes, read the aura, the lips, the physiognamy in general. I can sense the mood, the stance just as i can watch how a person moves. It's all information and happily there for the picking.
It's all good! I only have to open my senses and widen my ability to receive.
writing sites? Who wanted to know about writing sites?
time for a Thistles and Marigolds plug:
http://tribes.tribe.net/poetryjams
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If evolution means I'm going to grow tentacles from my forearms and fingers, cilia from my fingertips, melt into a plush chair with my ass to become a horror movie playbill and relate to other human beings only by transfering bits and bytes, I'd rather not evolve.
Give me flesh.
Give me germs.
(Becoming a fantasy movie ad, though, would be quite alright with me. )
Give me flesh.
Give me germs.
(Becoming a fantasy movie ad, though, would be quite alright with me.
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