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The idea of representation

Post by Arcadia » February 3rd, 2006, 12:53 pm

can be a problem:

Dinamarca teme reaccion con consecuencias imprevisibles

Fuertes críticas del mundo islámico por la publicación de caricaturas de Mahoma

La reacción del mundo islámico frente a la caricaturas de Mahoma publicadas en diarios europeos puede tener "consecuencias imprevisibles", dijo el primer ministro de Dinamarca, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, mientras continúan las protestas de los musulmanes en distintos países.



"Estamos ante un problema que ocupa a amplias partes del mundo. Los dibujos han sido publicados por diarios en toda Europa. Si las protestas siguen su escalada en las calles, podemos estar ante consecuencias imprevisibles en todos los países afectados", dijo Rasmussen.

El diario danés Jyllands-Posten fue el primero en Europa en publicar las viñetas, hace cuatro meses, y en las últimas semanas lo hicieron periódicos de Noruega, Bélgica, Francia y Alemania. Para el mundo musulmán, la publicación de representaciones de cualquier tipo del profeta Mahoma está prohibida para evitar la idolatría.

Ayer, en una declaración para la televisión, Rasmussen se dirigió a la población islámica y dijo que "el pueblo danés ha defendido por generaciones la libertad de expresión y religión". "Respetamos profundamente todas las religiones, incluida el islam. Para mí es importante decirles que la gente de Dinamarca no tiene la intención de ofender a los musulmanes", añadió.

La declaración de la autoridad danesa siguió a la firme reacción de miles de musulmanes que salieron a las calles en sus países para protestar contra las viñetas, y a las amenazas lanzadas por algunos líderes de organzaciones islámicas contra los autores y editores de los dibujos. Las protestas se potenciaron hoy tras las plegarias de los viernes en los países musulmanes.

Miles de musulmanes salieron hoy a las calles de las grandes ciudades de Egipto y Siria para protestar condenar los dibujos considerados ofensivos. En Damasco, frente a la mezquita Al Murabit, una pancarta llamaba al "boicot contra los productos de Estados Unidos, Dinamarca y otros países europeos". En El Cairo, fueron quemadas banderas de Dinamarca, mientras 3.000 personas participaran de una manifestación similar en el puerto de Alejandría.

La organización islámica Hamas, ganadora de las elecciones legislativas palestinas, convocó a su turno a realizar manifestaciones de protesta. Desde Tel Aviv, en tanto, las fuerzas armadas israelíes fueron puestas en estado de alerta en alta Galilea por la posibilidad de ataques de seguidores libaneses de Hezbollah, según informó hoy Radio Jerusalén, citada por la agencia italiana ANSA. Algunos líderes islámicos llegaron a hablar de la posibilidad de emitir decretos con condenas a muerte contra los reponsables de estas publicaciones, similares a la que soportó el escritor angloindio Salman Rushdie, autor de los Versos Satánicos.

En este contexto, el diario France Soir de París anunció que no presentará un pedido de disculpas por haber publicado los dibujos, debido a que cree haber "defendido la libertad de expresión frente a la intolerancia religiosa". El diario Liberation, a su turno, decidió publicar hoy las caricaturas con el argumento de que no quiere debilitar el principio de la libertad de expresión. En Teherán, el ex presidente iraní Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani rechazó el argumento de la libertad de expresión y advirtió que, si ese es el fudamento de los medios para publicar los dibujos, "cada musulmán en todo el mundo tiene la libertad de entrar en escena contra" occidente.

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Post by Arcadia » February 5th, 2006, 7:47 pm

in 2004 there was a retrospective muestra that made noise in Buenos Aires and the rest of the country. When I knew about it (we were in Rosario very busy with the Congreso de la Lengua stuff) I couldn´t believe some of the reactions. The artist was León Ferrari and these are some links about his work and also words related with it:

the polemic:

www.arteatonal.com/artesplasticas/leon1.htm

see also these:

www.arteuna.com/RRF/a-Ferrai.htm
http://www.essex.ac.uk/ueclaa/english/e ... /index.htm#
www.offoffoff.com/art/2004/politscripts.php

read:

http://www.leonferrari.com.ar/exposicio ... errari.htm
http://www.rosariarte.com.ar/contenidos ... ta&nid=109
www.icarodigital.com.ar/numero5/entrevistas/ferrari.htm
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Post by stilltrucking » February 5th, 2006, 8:00 pm

I am getting on a bus to DC today when I get there I am going to burn the Argentinian embassy to the ground. Just thinking about those dam cartoons.
His 1964 sculpture of Jesus Christ pinned to the wings of a U.S. Air Force jet was an early expression of protest against the Vietnam War.




a couple of your links are not working but it may be my computer
Thanks for the post.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n13629237

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Post by Arcadia » February 5th, 2006, 8:19 pm

I fixed them.
I found the link to www.arteuna.com as the most interesting. It doesn´t work now but it worked some minutes ago but don´t worry I´m terrible posting links.

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Post by e_dog » February 6th, 2006, 3:56 am

the first link to the plastic figures is really interesting.

especially the last supper full table view thing and the crucifix bomber. but, what are the pieces on the chess board, i am having trouble making it out?
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Post by Arcadia » February 6th, 2006, 12:19 pm

chess board: right versus left, fascists versus comunists, anarquists versus comunists, Newell´s Old Boys hinchas trying to paint a flag, I don´t know...

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Post by whimsicaldeb » February 6th, 2006, 1:09 pm

I've been following this too ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... ceCode=RSS

and I got a chance to hear in person this interview/exchange between
Ahmed Younis and Stephan Richter http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion ... 02-02.html

Where Richter was saying how they printed these pictures because they wanted to inflame the muslims and Younis concurs by essentially saying it's not so much that they are trying to stop free speech (for that is support in the muslim community) but that they want it present fairly and as it really is - which is hate mongering.

And as for protecting free speech, and how that applies to this situation, I really like the example the Richter used in the interview...
And, in Europe, for example, they report cases in France last fall where Jesus was depicted naked, with his -- with a naked erect member with a condom on, and the court in France -- there are lots of Catholics who were incensed by this --they took it to the court, and the court said, look, this is absolutely distasteful; we can understand that lots of people don't enjoy this, would have preferred not to have this published but, and this was the newspaper Liberation, but as a matter of separation of church and state, freedom of speech, all of our traditions established over the last 200 years, we have to put the freedom of expression over anything else.
In the end they both agreed that yes, the cartoons are insulting ... but not to fall for the hate mongering; and to take this to a higher level, and each group needs to continue to work towards that goal while simultaneously working out and address their own extremes within their own communities.

Sound advice … I’m not sure how many are actually listening. But on our local (Channel 7) news last night; there was a Muslim woman who was saying the same thing, and addressing the need for calm heads within the California Muslim communities.

Let's hope they prevail.

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Post by e_dog » February 6th, 2006, 3:18 pm

chess board figurine set: i don't mean what is the 'meaning' of the artwork but what precisely are the pieces, not the statutes but the small machine-like pieces are they guns or bells or printing presses etc.?
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Post by Arcadia » February 6th, 2006, 7:11 pm

whimsicaldeb: interesting links! specially www.pbs.org entrevista. As I said to Cecil, I´m almost totally ignorant about the muslim world, except for a sufi friend and a funesto ex-president we had that was married to a muslim woman...but that´s a confuse story. I´ll visit the Shi´a homepage.

e-dog: I can´t see through the photos details about the images. I guess they are painted little statues of catholic virgins or saints, the ones that you easily can find in a santería, but I don´t know.

stilltrucking: you don´t need to burn embassies, that´s a difference.

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Post by stilltrucking » February 6th, 2006, 7:38 pm

stilltrucking: you don´t need to burn embassies, that´s a difference.
Sorry I never use enough emoticons. That was pure sarcasm on my part. Maybe a winky would have helped.

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Post by Arcadia » February 6th, 2006, 9:21 pm

I know you were joking, but I wanted to answer.

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Post by stilltrucking » February 7th, 2006, 11:50 am

Not to change the subject but through this whole string I have been thinking of a line from God Bless You Mr Rosewater.
"Art has failed me."

It just keeps running around in my head. I got to re-read that book.

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Post by Arcadia » February 7th, 2006, 12:37 pm

well, it seems someone is trying to be creative:

Reaccion contra las caricaturas de Mahoma

Diario iraní convocó a concurso de viñetas sobre el holocausto y crímenes de EEUU

El periódico iraní Hamshari (El Ciudadano) convocó en su edición de este martes, a un concurso internacional de viñetas sobre el holocausto y los crímenes de Estados Unidos bajo el título "¿Dónde está el limite de la libertad del occidente?"



El diario Hamshari junto con la la casa de la caricatura de Irán, convocaron un concurso en el que serían premiadas las mejores viñetas sobre el Holocausto y los crímenes de Estados Unidos, en respuesta al diario danés Jyllands-Posten que en septiembre del año pasado publicó 12 caricaturas del profeta Mahoma. Según el diario iraní, la publicación de aquellas caricaturas no fue más que una convocatoria para insultar los valores y las creencias del Islam.

El argumento del rotativo se sostiene en los criterios arbitrarios de la libertad de expresión occidental. La pregunta que se hacen los musulmanes y la opinión publica es por qué pueden ser representados ideales sagrados de la religión islamica y no pueden ser represenatados temas como los crímenes de EEUU o el holocausto.

Hamshari niega que este concurso sea una venganza al diario danés pese a lo polémico de su convocatoria. El periódico iraní, propiedad del municipio de Teherán, añade que los vencedores del concurso se anunciarán en la edición del próximo 15 de marzo.

Fuente: EFE

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