IT'S NOT JUST THE ISLAMISTS:Six months jail for cartoonist

[Zlatko Waterman]

This Austrian cartoonist who portrayed Jesus irreverently in a comic book found little sense of humor from the True Believers:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,214 ... 44,00.html


( I'd better watch my step . . .)

The Right Reverent,

Zlatko

[stilltrucking]

The True Believer, wasn't that the title of a book?
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2 ... r-126.html

PasteAn Israeli cartoonist has launched an "anti-Semitic cartoon contest" to poke fun at fellow Jews in response to furore among Muslims over the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

Cartoonist Amitai Sandy said he was inspired by violent Muslim protests and the launching of a Holocaust cartoon competition by an Iranian daily that said it wanted to test the boundaries of free speech espoused by Western countries.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L16699501.htm

I got an idea for a cartoon for them.
What is the difference between a pizza and a Jew?

Do me a favor and don't ask me.

[Zlatko Waterman]

I listened to a medium-length ( for NPR) interview with Amatai Sandy yesterday conducted by Terri Gross ( who is Jewish).

The rules of his cartoon contest are that the anti-semitic cartoon makers who submit must be Jewish.

He insisted that the Jews have a long tradition of self-mockery. He also said that the Holocaust denial cartoons that had been published in Iran were cartoons he also would have published in his magazine. But he also said that the Holocaust happened to all humans and could happen again, so that there was a difference in subject and the target of the cartoons.

He seemed very open to all imagery. He did say that most of the cartoons he saw-- the ones in the Danish newspaper against Muhammad, were not funny, and that most of the cartoons he received for his contest were also not very funny.

Humor was the main objective, he said, and that self-mockery was a healthy thing, with which I agree.

A cartoon he had authored himself showed a used car dealer selling a car in Tel Aviv. The buyer asked how many Jews could ride in the car. The seller said two in front, three in back and six million in the gas tank.

Most of the cartoons he described were pretty abrasive.

An interesting interview, and an interesting Israeli gambit on his part.


--Z

[stilltrucking]

Terri Gross ( who is Jewish).

Yeah did you ever here the interview she did with Gene Simmons, he was coming on really obnoxios and she is a master letting some one make a complete ass of themselves with out knowing it. He was in way over her head, and had no idea. Then he made a comment about his Yiddisha Mama, who is a holocaust survivor. And Terry said she was Jewish. His whole tone change, as if there was a thought baloon over his had that read "Oh I thought you were some domb shiksa"

Open text box spontaneous ramble. I don't censor myself with you Norman I let it rip. Edit later.

Yeah I hear the interview too, and I agree. Have you ever seen the movie PIm all the goyem here love it, but I could not watch it. When the hassidic jew says to him in the dinner "Its okay, I am a Jew too." It creeped me out.

They say all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from four women in Europe thousands of years agol

Nearly Half Of Ashkenazi Jews Descended From Four 'Founding Mothers'
Some 3.5 million or 40 percent of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four "founding mothers" who lived in Europe 1,000 years ago. The mothers were part of a small group who founded the Ashkenazi Jewish community, which was established in Europe as a result of migration from the Near East.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083446.htm

Not sure if you have read or heard about the called The Thirteenth Tribe.

Question 13.4: Who were the Khazars? Are Ashkenazi Jews descended from the Khazars?

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Answer:

The Khazars were a Turkic tribe that migrated to the steppes of what
is today southern Russia and eastern Ukraine by the 5th century. They
established a powerful kingdom that existed from the mid-7th century
until the early-11th century. The Khazars had a two-king system,
consisting of a military king (bek) and a sacral king (khaqan). The
Khazar army, which took orders from the bek and the military commander
(tarkhan), included tens of thousands of professional soldiers.

The Khazars were a potent military force in eastern Europe till about
the middle of the 11th century, their last power base being the
Crimean peninsula. In the 7th and 8th centuries, they defeated the
Eastern Caliphate in several key battles, thus halting the spread of
Islam north of the Caucasus mountain range, much the same as what the
Carolingian rulers did to the Western Caliphate at the Pyrenees.
(Ironically, these Jewish converts made Eastern Europe safe for
Christianity.) The Khazars gained control over major waterways such as
the Caspian Sea, the Volga River, and the Dnieper River. The Khazar
kings collected tribute from many of the East Slavic tribes as well as
from traders traversing their country. Large garrisons were stationed
at hill-forts located at strategic points throughout the kingdom
(e.g., Kiev by the Dnieper, Sarkel by the Don, Samandar by the
Caspian) to guard against enemy invaders such as the Rus.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07 ... ion-5.html

That must be my families tribe because I don't feel much affinity for the land of Israel, just for the people there. This whole planet is biblical land, holy land, holy ground to me.

But anyway the guy sounded stupid to me too.

going to give this a quick spell check an post it warts and all. My family may have been Jews for only a thousand years but as that twerp brooklyn said "dues fucking paid"

sh*t almost lost it going to post it as is. Do you know about mitchondriral dna? don't want to get pedantic. My uncle got beautiful singing voice he was offered a gig at a shul in Bethesda MD, but he had to grill his mother for an hour to find out if her mother and all her mothers before her were Jewish too.

Have you noticed how many of those Israeli soldiers are black men?

We used to have a quaint saying back in baltimore that a n*gger ain't nothing but a Jew turned inside out.

What the hell were we talking about here

[stilltrucking]

going to edit, dont even try to read it. you going to need a truck load of aspirin if you do.

[e_dog]

in a different case, a man was sentenced by an Austrian court to something like three yrs in prison for the crime of publicly denying the Holocaust.

this guy is an 'historian' and for some reason it seems that historians are the ones that the authorities go after in these cases, probably b/c it's believed that the perceived authoritativeness of speaking as an historian makes people more likely to believe their untruths.

but this is, i think, a clear violation of free speech and a free press and likely counterproductive as well.

as JS Mill contended about a century and a half ago, knowledge of the truth is best produced and recognized thru lively debate and through disproving falsity. try to eliminate falsehoods thru legislation -- even if the legislators are correct in their assessment of what's true -- and you distort the social process of establishing truth through argument and evidence. also, putting the guy on trial succeeds in giving him and his work much more fame and notoriety than otherwise and thus enable him to spread his message to neo-Nazis in an even more effective way.

[Zlatko Waterman]

CARTOON-SPARKED VIOLENCE KILLS 96:

(link to story)


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/afr ... 347147.ece



--Z