Bush Nose

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Is his nose look kind of red? Is it sun burn or booze? His lips seem to be in a perpetual sneer. Or is just a goofy?



I was thinking about photography. How many shots did they have of him and how did the editor happen to pick that one? I think it was a good choice. Cant you see the intelligence in his expression?

picture from here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

[K&D]

do you think Woody Allen's character Alvin Singer, sometimes they call him alvy the name was based of of I.B Singer?

randomness.

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[quote]Alvin Singer[/quote

I don't know? I have not seen many of his films, I dont recognize the character. You startled me, you about the last person I expected to hear from this morning.

I been reading a collection of short stories called Crown Of Feathers. I remember her (the woman with the spoon) having conversation with the Catholic Polish woman who lived up the block. They woudl talk in Polish but every once in a the Polish woman would break into English. I think she was doing it when there was something she wanted me to hear. Little pitchers have big ears but I did not understand a word of Polish. She used to tell these spooky superstitious religious strories. A bout curses and the evil eye. One had to do with a mattress that contained a cross made of feathers.

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sounds scary....

who did you think you were going to hear from?

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Good point

No One I suppose

I been thinking about this one

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtop ... ent+design

[K&D]

your so criptic....

i think i may be lost old man.

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You way ahead of me k-d.-o When I was your age I was pretty dam sure I knew. If anybody was lost and yet felt so unlost it was me.

'The heart has reasons which Reason does not know.'

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"the heart has real reason...not head reason which is easily manipulated reason" thats an Alyson quote.

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If

I

understand you

I disagree. Heart maybe be the easiest to manipulate.

What the hell did Hegel? say about that whore reason?

[K&D]

alls i know about hegel is that he said that our thought process goes from thesis to antithesis to synthesis...and we want to be at synthesis...thats where all the good shit happends, most of the time...even though its a cycle.

i suppose the development of intuition and love and that sort of understanding cacn be formed in properly sort of like what Pavlov said, that if he had control of all of the factors a human would do anything despite "right" and "wrong" but lets assume the world isn't so fucked up as sometimes we tell ourselves, the instict of feeling is pretty fucking good...reason can be manipulated too its not objective its dependent on who desides what society thinks is reasonable in many cases we are informed b y the stucture that we live in and that dictates our reason....

boy, you and i always getting into something even if we started with something as silly as how red our presidents nose is.

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I thought you were pretty interested in Marx.

Yeah I don't know how we got into all this from a picture fo a nose. I suppose it is the nose of the most manipulated man since, since since

since I don't know when.

I think we should compare what we are calling "reason"

This administration has been very clever with their propoganda, and the Art Of Propaganda is a book by Freud's nephew a man named Bernays (sp) they say Geobbels had three of his books on his book shelf. Bernays is the one that ran a very successfll campaign to get more American women smoking cigarrettes.

Freud is not a qaucker psychologist to me, he is the archeolgist of my heart.

Would call those men who have started this war reasonable men?

sorry not a pop quiz here just asking myself really.

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no...well i quess it depends on what level of reason were thinking.

reason if you don't look into it may be there motivation, you know because then they have more control over a certain part of the world, not to mention oil...but i think reason might be able to show us, or at least by looking at what has happened historically that the reason behind it doesn't really historic ly anyways pan out the way they see it, in the long run it causes more problems then say respecting our differences and looking for a different type of fuel.

but then again the definition of heart here might be manipulated into greed...i don't know if thats a natural human feeling, it may be developed i'm reading this guy Marcuse, its critical theory which comments on Marx and goes a bit beyond in its critique and he kind of talks about how greed and other things, mainly the impolse to buy inorder to find happyness is something that has grown to be our human nature...i think greed and our love for destruction and pain are the same.

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Heart is my subconscious, my soul, my desire, reason is sedduced to its fears and desires, all the repressed sexuality that civilation is built on. Marcuse been coming to mind a lot lately. Desublimation of the erotic.

Sixties and angela davis the Soledad Brothers, marcuse was her mentor.

Dream last night not about you but I though of you this morning and your lost comment.

In the dream I was walking the streets of baltimore again, with that uncanny feeling I get when the familar looks strange. I was lost wandering around the inner harbor, my face was dirty, I met someone who gave me a book about China.

Heart equals soul, libidio uncosncious desires and fears.

Reason tags along, seduced by subtle propaganda that plays to the the fears and desires I am barely conscious of. The monkey brain can rationalize anything. So I suppose i should say false reasoning, shallow reasoning.

I like this bit I heard a geezer say the other day about Iraq. "we ought to just nuke them the ungrateful sons of bitches."

Boggles my mind to try and follow his reasoning

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hey since you know of marcuse...do you think that only sexual frustration leads to creativity...whats the deal there, i mean...i think other things play apart too.

there's this teacher i have teaching this class, he says that he agrees about sexual frustration leading to creativity but last semester in another class he said something really cool about sex being the ultimate creation...you know because it produces a baby...so those two ideas don't mesh too well.

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I read Eros and Civilization and One Dimensional Man a long time ago. I hardly remember it and probably did not understand much of it.

I been googling around and I found this bit
I was one sick puppy in the sixties. Repressed hostility towards women. I was not wearing a flower in my hair, I was not a flower love child. So this is all new to me. When I think of Marcuse I think of a little print of a Madona and Child with the inscription "I was born an innocent and trusting baby" George Jackson Soledad Brother.

Many young people in the 1960s adopted Marcuse-like sexual politics as the basis for the counter-culture's radical transformation of values. By exploring drugs, music and sex, they sought to experience what Marcuse described as an "erotic sense of reality."

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/marcuse_h.html

We are certainly good creators and multipliers, we are fruitful.

When sex is advertised as much as it is in our american culture, when girls are objectified I get an inkling of what he meant by de-eroticized sex.

Life Against Death is probably the most interesting book I have read on civilization and repression and sublimation.

Husserl is probably the philosopher that is shaping my world view these days.

What difference does it make if it is frustrated sex or just sex. It is sublimated.

I had to watch the results carefuly when I googled erotic. I dam sure don't need no artificialy inflicted sexual stimulation. I may be old and in the way but still an excitable boy (warren zevon song excitable boy?)


I can only speak of my own sexual frustration. It is a struggle to deal with. Reminds me of Brave New World. Not sure if I get the concept of de-erotic

edit
I always liked the title of the song but I never read the lyrics till now


Written By Warren Zevon & LeRoy P. Marinell
c. 1976 Zevon Music/BMI and Polite Music/ASCAP

Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he rubbed the pot roast all over his chest
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy

He took in the four a.m. show at the Clark
Excitable boy, they all said
And he bit the usherette's leg in the dark
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy

He took little Suzie to the Junior Prom
Excitable boy, they all said
And he raped her and killed her, then he took her home
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy
After ten long years they let him out of the home
Excitable boy, they all said
And he dug up her grave and built a cage with her bones
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy