After the airstrikes on Iran

[jimboloco]

Well?

[stilltrucking]

I was looking for a really cynical quote by the Bismark. Something about "believe nothing until you hear the first denial." I have not voted yet jimboloco. Do you think this is 'sabre rattling"? You know Bush is one crafty fellow. It does not take much imagination to think of Israel as the Cat's Paw.

Oh what the hell let them have a couple of nukes. I must be nuts.

I closed my eyes and voted.

[jimboloco]

Bombing Iran will not be good for Israel or anyone.

[e_dog]

I abstain from voting. This election is rigged there ism no answer for the question of will iran even be bombed in the first place.

I don't think even the Bush crazies are that crazy. The US is far too overextended as it is in Iraq they'd have to be ready for political suicide if they tried to start another war when the Afganistan war is still going on and when everyone hates them for Iraq, or at least increasingly the US public is turning against the militarism of Bush. So, no i don't think they have really decided to bomb Iran; the fact that there are plans is no surprise hell i even imagine they have plans for invading Canada but really using them's another matter entirely.

Of course, what this does is merely intensifies the desire of Iranians and other nations to have nukes precisely to deter the possibility of US invasions. The arms dealers must love all this shit 'cause it boosts sales.

[stilltrucking]

I did not want to vote either cause I wanted another choice too. My comment about Bush being Crafty. I think this is another attempt at using a "leak" to send a message. Sabre rattling. I don't know if they are not crazy enough to do it. I think they are crazy enough to do anything. Jim I don't know what is in Israel's interest? If I ever meet Cyndi Sheehan I would like to ask her what she means by "Get Israel out of Palestine now."

Much is being made about our foreign policy being manipulated by neo con jews under the influence of the Israeli lobby. Can anyone tell me why it was in Israel's interest to remove Saddam Hussein?

I think we do not understand him because we are not true believers we are not crazy enough. You look for reason where there is none. Yeah I could see him attacking Iran.

PASTE

Ignoble liars: Leo Strauss, George Bush, and the philosophy of mass deception
Harper's Magazine, June, 2004 by Earl Shorris

For the uninitiated, "contradiction" is the key to the Straussian approach, and more than anything else it defines the Bush regime and its circle of influentials. The contradictory and absurd statements of George W. Bush need not be listed here. His collected solecisms have been published in multiple volumes and are scattered throughout the Internet. Donald Rumsfeld's most inscrutable utterances have even been set in verse. Such deformations of the English language are no accident: they reflect the administration's general pattern of communication.



THE GREATEST CLARITY IS A CONTRADICTIONA government would collapse if it spoke nothing but nonsense. Under George W. Bush the government has learned to speak on two levels at the same time. What appears to be nonsense to most people makes perfect sense to those who are initiated into a way of thinking and a certain set of references, many of them biblical. From the constant use of the word "evil" to subtle references to the Book of Revelation, the favorite text of end-time thinkers on the Christian right, Bush's remarks and speeches have carried an esoteric message



His reading of Plato comes down to this: true democracy is an act against nature and must be prevented at all costs. Seen in this light, the Bush Administration's public claim to be bringing "democracy" to Iraq, all the while working to ensure that elections do not take place, takes on new meaning.


THE STUDY OF HISTORY IS THE ROAD TO PERDITION

Historical events as such had little to do with the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Wise men advised the President to do what he thought was right.

Bush consulted with heaven, not with events on earth, and heaven, as he often said in the esoteric part of his speeches, told him what to do.

THE ANSWER TO THE HUMAN QUESTION IS TO AVOID IT

The Bush Administration has made no credible effort to make peace between Jews and Arabs. It embraces Israel on principle, for Bush is a reader of the Book of Revelation and he believes that Christ will not come again until the Jews have been gathered in the Holy Land and either converted or destroyed. Here Straussians and the President no doubt differ; the wise men merely tolerate their religious allies as the atheist Strauss tolerated religious Jews.

Strauss saw the human question exemplified in the Jewish question. And he believed it had no resolution, for the answer to the Jewish question was assimilation, unless the Jews had a land of their own--and with a land of their own they would be assimilated into the society of nations. The Jewish problem, like the human problem, was insoluble. He offered no exoteric answer. On this subject he quoted Gershom Scholem's work on the Kabbalah, sounding more literary than philosophical, much like Jorge Luis Borges. He spoke of what could not be known, the mystery of the Aleph, the first letter of the Ten Commandments. Had he become a Kabbalist, wrapped in the mystery of revelation? I think not. Straussians have a plan: to usurp the power of' revelation in the service of their idea of reason.

TO BE A NIETZSCHEAN IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO READ NIETZSCHE

In the mind of George Bush, the ancient problem of the conflict between faith and reason found resolution.




http://www.lacosapizza.com/shorris.html

[firsty]

needs one more choice:

halliburton will get richer.

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Now you talking trash firsty
This has nothing to do with regime change
But I have heard that Pepsi Cola is opening a new bottling plant in Tehran.

Yeah I be voting for Haliburton too, I just closed my eyes and pinned my tail on the donkey. Jimboloc not subtle with his questions. I had a ferminist friend on capital hill in DC she be study for MS in Socialogy at AU. She was working for the Dept of Commerce, her job was to write poll questions that would get the right answers

[jimboloco]

Interesting, I wonder who decides this sabre rattling BS anyhow. I think it's significant because some folks think Dubya's being presidential. His assumpotion that Iran would do a regime change was talked about it on Good Morning America. They basically said that premise was in "la la land."
Yet our troops will go in and do as they are told anyhow. Which is really scary

Bush says he's only bluffing?
Don't be so sure. This is extremely scary and if it does happen, look out. It is scary enough, just the bluffing. I hope we don't have airstrikes on Iran, because if we do, I would probably become so infuriated that I'd do something like civil disobedince and get myself arrested. I have never done that before, but would have gone to jail before returning to Southeast Asia in the bombing. This shit sucks.

My poll was not intended to be subtle, nor was it intended to get a specific response beyond the bewilderment and frustration that this situation deserves.

The Persians are coming.

All he is saying, "it's just wild speculation."

why he declassified valerie plame

[stilltrucking]

civil disobedince and get myself arrested.

Who knows?

I think that it could happen

After all he speaks to god.

I don't have a clue

Maybe that is ever more scary

Talk about not objectifying sensory data

Good Morning America
Dont you know me?
I am your native son.

why he declassified valerie plame

It is his perugative, he is the cammander in chief our war hero fighter pilot right out of Independence Day.

Yeah the troops will do it, that insanity of Viet Nam my only rationalization for all the suffering, I still have my free speech. Yes that matters to me. These are strange days.

did you hear this, pretty good bit from Leonard Cohen,

http://www.worldofpoetry.org/usop/dream6.htm

The poem is called Democracy.

and then click on the the circle on the top of the page that says 'AUDIO"

[firsty]

bush is a lying liar with lying in his heart and nothing in his soul. he acted 6 months ago like the valerie plame leak was incomprehensible to him. he ordered it. he's lying now about the iran strikes being speculation, and to try to attach logic and sense to his pattern of statements is like trying to pin down a hippo by his whiskers. he lied then, he's lying now, and he's going to do whatever the hell he wants to do, him and rove and cheney and rummy. iran has prolly already been infiltrated by special ops. i'm sure they already have the speech written for going to war with iran. i'm sure they already have a date ready. they had one for iraq, too, while they were pretending to be negotiating. anyone who sits in a white house press briefing is being fucked in the ass of their intellect by allowing the administration to continue the deceipt and to publish the lies as fact.

iran is much bigger than iraq and full of, what, shiites? shit, man. thats a big bowl of worms foaming at the mouth. the only one stupid enough to open it up is george w bush himself, the town drunk, the fraudulent leader, the criminal himself.

[stilltrucking]

pin down a hippo by his whiskers

you would be I happy to know I know of one hippo personaly known to me who was pin downed by his whisker.

I agree with you firsty, , more ass fucking would solve the problem. It certainly worth a try, could not possibly be any worst than we doing now.

[Diana Moon Glampers]

ISIS

This guy David Albright says Iran l is six months to a year from the red line, the point of no return for the Israeli's

http://www.isis-online.org/publications ... icking.pdf

http://www.isis-online.org/

[jimboloco]

Why would you say that? So what if the Iranians get the A-bomb.
Israel, God luv'em, making the desert green, has 400 nukes and still punishing the Israeli citizen who "leaked" out that they had a lotta nukes before, finally released he was then went public again ijn Austrailia and they nabbed him again.

Sail on, sail on
o mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
past the Reefs of Greed
through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on

Leanard been hanging with his Zen priest up in the mountains north of L.A.
Isreal has no right to bomb Iran any more than America does.
It's just insane. Israel will not do airstrikes on Iran. Iran in no way is agressive or terrorist. They do have dissenting opinions, and I don't agree with them on Israel, but they also know, via deterrance, that any such action like using nukes would bring a heavy retribution. This is really a continuance of the cold war. We have no right to unilaterraly bomb Iran. Israel has no red-line either. This is so whacked.

The man is sick. He ain't the only one. Time to wake up one more time.

Jesus, I got to get up at 5 AM. Amen.I am pissed. Thanks for the rant, firsty. And Ms Moon, I am sure that the sabre rattling will continue right on thru the fall congressional elections. After that, maybe he will order airstrikes? I am bargaining. The man is power crazy and the Zoomiez are dumb enough to follow orders no matter what. A dangerous combination.

http://www.norespectpublishing.com

[stilltrucking]

Isarael's got that flag the the American's used during the revolutionary war. The snake with the legend "Don't Tread on Me"

Masada today is one of the Jewish people's greatest symbols. Israeli soldiers take an oath there: "Masada shall not fall again." Next to Jerusalem, it is the most popular destination of Jewish tourists visiting Israel. As a rabbi, I have even had occasion to conduct five Bar and Bat Mitzvah services there. It is strange that a place known only because 960 Jews committed suicide there in the first century C.E. should become a modern symbol of Jewish survival.

What is even stranger is that the Masada episode is not mentioned in the Talmud. Why did the rabbis choose to ignore the courageous stance and tragic fate of the last fighters in the Jewish rebellion against Rome?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... asada.html

I am tired of flags and borders and national anthems and race and all the other abstractions of lies.

Bush is fond of wearing that little jewish beenie isn't he.




I got to go, it was dark when I say down here and now it is tomorrow morning.

Funny movie called The Mouse That Roared. They had a bomb that would destroy everything. One guy is holding it and it starts ticking, he asks what should I do. Peter Sellers says throw it and run.

Israel suffers from a Masada Complex
What do you do with a 140 nukes when your neighbor is next door to you? How do you nuke him without nuking yourself?

Throw it and run?

Israel has a right to do anything ti must do to survive, even if it takes a noble effort like mass suicide.

This anti-life instinct the Buddhists nailed it a long time ago. Freud stumbled on it about a hundred years ago, beyeond the pleasure principe, the death wish. Bush has it in spades.Nietzsche saw the lie at the core of Christ inanity. Life Against Death. Vonnegut got it, the curse of Dr Swift, self loathing of the human race.

[jimboloco]

Well said, professor.
Iran wants nuclear energy.
The nuke bombs are still a long way off.
They want a bomb to defend themselves?
It's kookoo.

I can see Israel having a few, but 500?
USA gots ten thou. I fortunately never read Freud.
But will check out Dr Swift. In which diatribe dwellz he?
Throw it and run.
Up before dawn.
0559, mercy.