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Rolling Stone: The Worst President in History?

Post by whimsicaldeb » April 22nd, 2006, 2:52 pm

I've been saying this for 5 1/2 years now... so of course ~ I agree!

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The Worst President in History?
By Sean Wilentz
Rolling Stone

Friday 21 April 2006

One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush.

George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.

From time to time, after hours, I kick back with my colleagues at Princeton to argue idly about which president really was the worst of them all. For years, these perennial debates have largely focused on the same handful of chief executives whom national polls of historians, from across the ideological and political spectrum, routinely cite as the bottom of the presidential barrel. Was the lousiest James Buchanan, who, confronted with Southern secession in 1860, dithered to a degree that, as his most recent biographer has said, probably amounted to disloyalty - and who handed to his successor, Abraham Lincoln, a nation already torn asunder? Was it Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson, who actively sided with former Confederates and undermined Reconstruction? What about the amiably incompetent Warren G. Harding, whose administration was fabulously corrupt? Or, though he has his defenders, Herbert Hoover, who tried some reforms but remained imprisoned in his own outmoded individualist ethic and collapsed under the weight of the stock-market crash of 1929 and the Depression's onset? The younger historians always put in a word for Richard M. Nixon, the only American president forced to resign from office.

Now, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton - a category in which Bush is the only contestant.

The lopsided decision of historians should give everyone pause. Contrary to popular stereotypes, historians are generally a cautious bunch. We assess the past from widely divergent points of view and are deeply concerned about being viewed as fair and accurate by our colleagues. When we make historical judgments, we are acting not as voters or even pundits, but as scholars who must evaluate all the evidence, good, bad or indifferent. Separate surveys, conducted by those perceived as conservatives as well as liberals, show remarkable unanimity about who the best and worst presidents have been.

Historians do tend, as a group, to be far more liberal than the citizenry as a whole - a fact the president's admirers have seized on to dismiss the poll results as transparently biased. One pro-Bush historian said the survey revealed more about "the current crop of history professors" than about Bush or about Bush's eventual standing. But if historians were simply motivated by a strong collective liberal bias, they might be expected to call Bush the worst president since his father, or Ronald Reagan, or Nixon. Instead, more than half of those polled - and nearly three-fourths of those who gave Bush a negative rating - reached back before Nixon to find a president they considered as miserable as Bush. The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled - nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success - flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042006J.shtml

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Post by stilltrucking » April 22nd, 2006, 3:23 pm

Wow that is news to me too. I had no idea :wink:

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Post by mnaz » April 22nd, 2006, 6:41 pm

Depends on which talking heads you currently subscribe to....

Example: Rush Limbaugh: Clinton embodies everything that could possibly go wrong within an envelope of flesh, bone and mind. Another example: Randi Rhodes ("Rant-i"), of left-wing radio-- (badly-needed and late-arriving): Bush II embodies everything that could ever go wrong within an envelope of flesh, bone and mind....

Goddamn, I'm supremely tired of it, I tell ya.

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Post by whimsicaldeb » April 22nd, 2006, 7:37 pm

Oh yeah mnaz I know, I am as well.

My comments (prediction?) ... Bush will end his term and go down in history as the worst president this country has even had. To later die of old age – personally believing himself the best – and oblivious to all the pain and suffering he’s caused.

That’s how it works … assholes never see themselves as they are ~ only as they dream themselves to be. Sadly, Bush isn’t the first … the last to be this way; however -- because of all this; there is now a good chance that this will be the last that anyone like this ever becomes president again. And not just in our own country too.

Bush may not see himself clearly ... but a lot of others sure have.

This is a hard lesson for our country (and for this world!) for sure … but a learned (learning) one.

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Post by stilltrucking » April 22nd, 2006, 9:32 pm

Depends on which talking heads you currently subscribe to
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The jury is still out on Hitler too, depends which website you got to.

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Post by mnaz » April 23rd, 2006, 6:16 am

Man, what the hell got into me yesterday? I was so damn dramatic.... Yeah.... sorry about that....

Deb.... I'm inclined to agree, with one caveat-- if the situation in Iraq were to miraculously improve (substantially), then some historians, especially those with a "right-ish" bent, will engage in selective memory. Bush might be assigned some type of "brave", "visionary" status, retroactively-- despite the lies, the greed and corruption, the arrogance and incompetence, the abuse of our treasury and military. It is of course reprehensible to wish for failure in Iraq. Yet if this overreaching, wretchedly-executed train-wreck of a policy is ultimately successful, we might fall for the same sort of con in the future.

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Post by Dave The Dov » April 23rd, 2006, 7:03 am

The policy of this country both outside and inside has been a wreck ever since this country got started!!!!
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Post by stilltrucking » April 23rd, 2006, 10:02 am

Harry Truman has come up a long way, he was considered a disaster and now he is near great. I hope Bush goes down as the greatest president we have ever had. I hope to see his head carved on Mt Rushmore. YOu think i am kidding and I am sincere. I want to be wrong. Why the hell would I want to see my country go down the tubes.

Yes you know in your heart that Rush is right.

I do believe in miracles, I do I do.

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Post by Arcadia » April 23rd, 2006, 8:38 pm

(It's not about presidents but it's about Rolling Stone magazine. Someone told me that in an old edition of Rolling Stone Tim Burton said that he didn't read any books when he was a kid and that he only watch TV, is it true?)

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Post by bohonato » April 25th, 2006, 5:07 pm

I still maintain that Woodrow Wilson was the worst president.
George W. Bush comes in a close second.

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Post by mnaz » April 29th, 2006, 10:54 am

GWB..... We're talking about a two-term president, here. I think more criticism should be focused on the worst electorate ever. I mean, we re-elected this bunch of criminals a mere 17 months ago. That's inexcusable.

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Post by mnaz » April 30th, 2006, 3:16 am

Perhaps I was too harsh. I didn't mean to kill the discussion.

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Post by Dave The Dov » April 30th, 2006, 5:55 am

No that's George Bush jr. that "kills"!!!!
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Post by whimsicaldeb » April 30th, 2006, 12:52 pm

Deb.... I'm inclined to agree, with one caveat-- if the situation in Iraq were to miraculously improve (substantially), then some historians, especially those with a "right-ish" bent, will engage in selective memory. Bush might be assigned some type of "brave", "visionary" status, retroactively-- despite the lies, the greed and corruption, the arrogance and incompetence, the abuse of our treasury and military. -- mnaz
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Perhaps I was too harsh. I didn't mean to kill the discussion.
You're not harsh mnaz and you're not killing the conversation either.

Re: your first comments; what if by some miracle Bush actually ends up doing something worthwhile?

As they say, no one (nothing) is ever all bad, or all good. Even Nixon had a positive come out of his term in office - opening relations with China. I do feel the overall picture will be that “W” turns out to be the worse president in the history of this nation.

As for his re-election, you have to put credit where credit is due. They successfully managed to keep the majority of this stuff underwraps and out of sight to the general public until after his second term election. If you recall, the only strong against that was coming out during that time as Michael Moore’s movie, Fahrenheit 9/11.

In all fairness to the people in this country, we were in shock. First from 9/11, and then again in actually seeing and believing with how deeply flawed and twisted this administration really was .. hard to believe that our government could have become this. That we could be so fooled, so effectively. For some it still is impossible to see or believe. For most, now, they do/are seeing things as they are and if the elections were being held today Bush would lose.

But again, that just illustrates how smart and successfully they were – they kept the truth out and away from the public’s eye just long enough to get where they wanted to be.

We’ve only just begun fighting them – they've had a 3 1/2 year head start. None the less (imo) I think we are making good progress and are learning as much from our failures (maybe even more), as our own successes.

If we really are not going to get fooled again, and considering how we learn, then this is something we'd have to go through, experience to grow from, as a society and a nation.

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Post by mnaz » April 30th, 2006, 2:13 pm

whimsicaldeb wrote:I do feel the overall picture will be that “W” turns out to be the worse president in the history of this nation.
This may sound "unpatriotic" (bah!), but in a way, I'm rooting for that-- I want us to become more aware of this type of potentially disastrous con game put on us by these type of murderous, sloganeering thieves who wrap themselves up in the flag and buzz-word speeches, while we come running like Pavlov's dog, jump straight into shit. And I want us to remember.... though that seems unlikely, given our American Idol electorate....
As for his re-election, you have to put credit where credit is due. They successfully managed to keep the majority of this stuff underwraps and out of sight to the general public until after his second term election. If you recall, the only strong against that was coming out during that time as Michael Moore’s movie, Fahrenheit 9/11
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I don't know. I'm not letting voters off the hook that easily. I hear what you're saying, but there was already plenty of evidence before Nov. 2004 to expose the Bushites as damned liars-- the 9/11 Commission Report, the Duelfler Report, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski and other whistleblowers on the Pentagon's Office of Special Planning (read: neo-con lie factory). In my debates with right-wingers, they repeated the party line that Saddam had ties to international terrorism in 2003, but they could not produce any evidence. So they rehashed Saddam's apparent terrorist ties from 20 years ago, when Reagan/Rumsfeld, et. al. were backing him.

Moderates on all sides of the political spectrum need to wake from their slumber, tune out the incessant right-wing smear and buzz-word posturing, and get off their asses and vote. An extremist minority is running this place into the ground, mainly because we've allowed them to continue to do so.
For most, now, they do/are seeing things as they are and if the elections were being held today Bush would lose.
I agree. But I suspect a large part of that is simply that we're losing, or at least hopelessly bogged-down in the Iraq war, and the American Idol crowd is tired of it. It's too late, people-- damage is done. We're stuck with Bush for another three years. The numbers in the article on the federal deficit are staggering-- Bush has already borrowed more than all the preceding Presidents combined. And it's not like this fact was hidden from voters in the '04 election.

At least the '06 elections might be a turning point....

btw: my apologies to any American Idol fans who happen to read this....

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