punk rock and art.

[Axanderdeath]

I was doind google searchs on punk. The first punk bands. and shit like that lou reed and shit. Allen ginsberg shouting poetry over punk bands. I was thinking that Punk writing is a real cool concept--been talking to people about it at the bars and stuff. My brother works at a punk rock bar in halifax called hell's kitchen. and it is amazing to me how many cute art student chicks go down there just thristing for some real life craziness or something. In 70's punk scene New York it was like that I think--like patti smith and shit. SHe was like a poet. The do it your self thing. diys can be constrood as lazyness though I guess. I find this stuff fasinateing. If any one has any knowlege about this stuff I am interested to know more--I don't know much about it.

do you think the same elements like in New York Punk scene means that Halifax could have some kinda explosion of art and shit punk bands--could I be drinking beer to the next iggy pop?

[firsty]

street poetry, spontaneous jams, merging sounds, ideas, these are all critical and these things are where the next cultural shifts will come from, because they allow for endless possibilities, and eventually one scene or another will hit on something huge.

[bohonato]

What do you want to know about punk rock?

[stilltrucking]

Punk is an almost religious experience. Or so it seems to me. It is a movement.

But I don't know nothing about it. When my nephew starts talking about it he is happy. And that makes me happy.

[firsty]

"Punk rock is an anti-establishment rock music movement which began around 1974-1975 (although transitional forms can be found several years earlier), exemplified by The Ramones, the Sex Pistols, The Damned, and The Clash. The term is also used to describe subsequent music scenes that share key characteristics with those first-generation "punks," and it is often applied loosely to mean any band with "attitude" or "youthful aggression." The term is sometimes also applied to the fashions, ideology, subculture, or irreverent "DIY" ("do it yourself") attitude associated with this musical movement."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_Rock

for my buck, The Who was the first punk band, and punk music is now nearly as broad a description as "rock" music, or at least as broad as "country" or "soul". very top 40 green day is sorta punk, so is the somewhat more obscure rockabilly like mike ness or the reverend horton heat, not to mention you have your west coast metal punk bands and your east coast beastie-boys rap punk metal bands.

punk is also the warhol nyc art scene, and those that followed in that vein of starving pop artists. punk is attitude because punk is not about musical virtuosity. the sex pistols could barely play their instruments. punk is anarchy, revolution.

one could say that punk necessarily died as soon as someone other than sid vicious started holding his clothes together with safety pins.

or, one could say that punk necessarily died the minute that john lyndon made his appearance in a british reality tv show.

or, one could say that punk died when buster poindexter was born.

or, one could really say that punk could never die as soon as people started saying that punk was dead. thats usually the true mark of a forever movement.

the next punk movement might come from halifax. maybe we should plan a trip.

[Axanderdeath]

I rad the same encylipidia online as you--cool stuff. bt really I should just think aboiut what I can do and not what others have done. bullshiting is fun though--thanks for playing along.

[Artguy]

went to the see the sex pistols on their filthy lucre tour...Johnny Rotten...strutting like a horny peacock belches out to the audience something to the effect...I'm fat I'm fourty I'm back and this time I want yer fuckin money...........the security in the mosh pit wore raincoats and there was'nt a cloud in the sky....

[stilltrucking]

...........the security in the mosh pit wore raincoats and there was'nt a cloud in the sky....

beats me A-death, yeah I miss the bull shit sessions with my buddies when my generation was young.

But these text boxes are pretty close.

I remember when he was around ten, a Greenday fan, now he smiles and says they are still pretty good musicians.

[mnaz]

Iggy and the Stooges laid lown the "sonic blueprint"....

The Ramones were the first "punk band", emerging from the New York scene in '74-'75 (Richard Hell, Patty Smith, Tom Verlaine, et al.).

The Sex Pistols were the first Brit-punk band. As the story goes, their manager, Malcolm McLaren, caught a Ramones show, then flew back to England and ran with the idea, took it to new, nastier extremes.

Sometimes I "refuel" on punk's raw energy, and its collective middle-finger thrust high to more "corporate" concerns-- timeless, I dare say. In fact, if anything, the rough, unsubtle anger of some of the punk bands from 20-30 years ago speaks even louder to me now than it did then. I mean, just look around. It's like a bumper sticker I saw the other day-- "If you aren't appalled, then you aren't paying attention"....

Some of my faves....

Sex Pistols (of course), Wire, the Ruts, Killing Joke, Clash, Stooges (of course), Black Flag, X, Ramones (of course), Bad Brains, Meat Puppets, Pretenders (1st album only, please), PJ Harvey, Jello Biafra (with current bandmates, the rejuvenated sludge-grungers, the Melvins.... Hell, even Neil Young and Crazy Horse sounds "punk" to me, at times...

But I won't rain on anyone's punk parade. The idea means many different things to many different hardy souls....

[Artguy]

2 Canadian entries...Teenage Head...and The Demics

[knip]

i played in an ottawa punk - the clones - around 1977-78...the first time i heard the opening chords to Blitzkrieg Bop i was sold

i thought i had found something real, but the people weren't real...or they were too real...i did it for the pills and sex at the house parties we played...they would pass the hat...first met carol pope at one of these

i admire the true punks, i.e. those who never grew out of it, but get tired of hearing them complain

i still listen to the ramones regularly...the clash were the best...another band not mentioned as an influence is the new york dolls...but someone mentioned buster poindexter so he gets it

the vibrators, too...and the stranglers early stuff



a great song to put it in perspective is I Was a Punk Before You Were a Punk, by the tubes

[mnaz]

buster poindexter?

didn't he pretty much disown punk?

then again....

[YABYUM]

can't mention punk without mentioning NOFX, Anti-Flag, Anti Nowhere human League, Operation Ivy and of course Siouxi Siou and the Banshees.

[stilltrucking]

dam I can't remember names, my nephew tells me about London in the thirties, Jamacian roots of punk. No idea of what any of this stuff is, just wanted to say howdy to ya.

black is a nice color for a flag. I would like to hang one on the congress building.


good to see you :
Punk.