Geographic Illiteracy Among 18-24 yr old Americans

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Post by Doreen Peri » May 4th, 2006, 6:09 pm

I'm terrible at geography. I always have been. When a map is marked, I'm pretty good at it. I mean, I know the general locations of countries and states, but I couldn't point some of them out on an unmarked map.

I'm not 18-24, though, so maybe I can use that as an excuse. It's been a LONG time since I was in school (other than computer training classes).

If I saw an unmarked map of the US, I could point to the general location of Lousiana, but I doubt if I could guarantee you 100% that I'd select the right state.

I did know that the earthquake that killed 70.000 in Oct of 2005 was in Pakistan.

If it wasn't for the recent war in Iraq, I doubt if I'd be able to point out Iraq on an unmarked map.

I'm pretty sure I can find India. :)

I don't think speaking a foreign language is a necessary skill. I took 4 years of French in HS and can barely speak a word of it now. I can ask where the bathroom is and can I have a beer in Spanish. That's about it. But I've been quite successful in my life.

English is the most widely spoken language. It's becoming THE international language. Perhaps the question was phrased confusingly by asking what the most widely spoken "native" language is. I'm not sure I know what they mean by that.

I didn't know the border between North and South Korea is the most heavily fortified in the world. Geesh.

I guess I'm a dummy.

I also get along very well with people between 18 and 24, for whatever that's worth.

LOL! :)

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Post by whimsicaldeb » May 4th, 2006, 6:46 pm

I congratulate you for having a great son, Deb, as I do myself for having (2) great boys. But I'm speaking not for exceptions ...

Well, as I said, he's not an exception. Basically he's middle of the road ... and even that's not an exception. Exceptions are: the super smart and the super uneducated. Most everyone else tends to fall some where in the middle.

as for this comment ...

...there is certainly a major disaster heading our way with those that come after us...

I still haven't read your whole discussion, but ~ isn't that what our parents (grandparents) thought about our generation? I remember quite clearly my parents looking at my brother and myself and saying "The world is going to hell in a handbasket!"
Whatever the heck that meant.

:lol:

Anyway, I disagree with you. I think the generation after us is most unusual - and most certainly non-conforming; but not lost. An the example of proof of such that I'd give would be ...

There was no cathartic, cinematic moment in which all was suddenly made clear, the music swelled, and everyone knew a happy ending was in store. Indeed, after all that’d gone down since Jason succumbed to a life of addiction, we were all waiting for the other shoe to drop in that first week out of rehab; and that first month out of rehab; and that first year. Until, finally, it became clear that something had shifted in Jay, ever so slightly, and the landscape had changed permanently.

Many folks have given me a bunch of credit for hanging in there with Mewes through all the bullshit, and even tossed me the hosannas for getting the boy clean, but it was never me. The real hero of Jason’s story is Jason himself.


excerpted from "Me and My Shadow, Pt. 9 - The Conclusion"
http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=244

--- they're not doing it the way we did, nor will they ... and on the surface it looks ... 'bad' - but don't judge the generation by it's cover. In many ways, they are doing what we never could.

Compared to this, being good at geography kind of loses it's importance, wouldn't you agree?

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » May 5th, 2006, 1:22 pm

THEN AND NOW AT KENT STATE

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Mr. Corcoran is the sort of student I always wanted to meet-- and did meet occasionally while I was teaching. He has written a clear, concise and succinct essay on the Kent State tragedy. Yesterday was Kent State Day, a day I always remember for its infamy and its establishment of a low point in the conduct of the US government.

Read what he has to say below

--Z





Published on Thursday, May 4, 2006 by the Boston Globe
Why Kent State is Important Today
by Michael Corcoran

Thirty-six years ago today, Ohio National Guardsmen shot 13 college students at Kent State University who were protesting US incursions into Cambodia as part of the Vietnam War. Nine victims survived, including one who is confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Four students -- Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, Bill Schroeder, and Sandy Scheuer -- were killed.

The students were unarmed, and the closest was more than 60 feet away from the Guard at the time of the shooting. There was no warning shot; the National Guard never issued an apology; and no one ever spent a day in jail for the killings despite the fact that the President's Commission on Campus Unrest, appointed by President Nixon in 1970, found the shootings to be ''unwarranted and inexcusable."

Yearly, since the tragedy, Kent State students, alumni, and others have met on the anniversary of the shooting to reflect and remember. Alan Canfora, who was shot by the Guard, says, ''The students today act as the conscience of the college, and the country . . . just like the students did in 1970."

This year's memorial will come, as the last three have, in the midst of a war that has become increasingly divisive. While the memory of Kent State and other violent clashes from that time between protesters and authorities did not deter the incumbent president from leading the country into another unpopular war, it is important to honor Kent State's spirit of dissent and what it taught about the bloody consequences of intense division.

Halfway across the country, the lessons of Kent State are taught each semester in debate classes at Emerson College. J. Gregory Payne, associate professor of organizational and political communication and a Kent State historian, has been teaching students about history, advocacy, and rhetoric through the lens of Kent State for decades.

According to Payne, remembering this tragedy is important because ''Kent State is not about the past -- it's about the future."

Consider the similarities: In 1970, just as today, we had an unpopular president carrying out an unpopular war for questionable reasons.

Richard Nixon and George W. Bush embody many of the same divisive characteristics. Bush tells the world: ''You are with us or you are with the terrorists." Nixon's public statement after the shootings blamed the students: ''When dissent turns to violence it invites tragedy."

Again our civil liberties are being threatened. Bush has ordered the wiretapping of US citizens without a warrant and holds detainees indefinitely without trial; Nixon was spying on student activists and what he called ''domestic radicals."

But, perhaps the most telling comparison is the sharp division within the nation, both then and now. Americans are now, as we were then, split to the core on matters of war and peace, life and death, and cultural values. The President's Commission concluded it was ''the most divisive time in American history since the civil war." Bill Schroeder's parents received signed letters after the shooting saying, among other things, that their ''riot-making, communist son" deserved to die.

Today antiwar protesters are unfairly discredited by the administration as they were in 1970. When Cindy Sheehan took antiwar positions after her 24-year-old son, Casey Sheehan, died in Iraq, she was smeared by pundits like Bill O'Reilly, who said she was a pawn of ''far-left elements that are using her" and that Sheehan was ''dumb" enough to let them do it.

Of course, the absence of a draft now and its presence then may explain why the antiwar movement during the Vietnam War had a greater intensity then it does now. Still, as the protests in New York City last week indicate, the longer the war in Iraq drags on, the more vehement the opposition seems to get.

Musicians, once again, are singing songs of dissent. Last Friday Neil Young, who in 1970 wrote ''Ohio" in reaction to the shootings, began streaming a new antiwar album ''Living with War" for free on his website. Days later, Pearl Jam also released an album made up entirely of protest music.

My generation can't ignore the lessons of Kent State. The same mindset and failure in leadership that led National Guardsmen to fire at students of the same age and from the same Ohio hometowns is similar to what led US soldiers to torture detainees in Iraq.

Kent State should remind us of what happens when a grossly misguided war divides a country. If we can speak candidly and openly about our history and our present -- even the worst elements of it -- then we can ensure that the lives lost on May 4, 1970, were not in vain.

Michael Corcoran is a journalism major at Emerson College.

© 2006 Globe Newspaper Company

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Post by jimboloco » May 8th, 2006, 12:09 pm

I am humbled by my abysmal ignorance every day, and I'm running a race with the gravedigger ( I'll soon be 61) to try and learn a little something before my brief visit to this planet ends.
I came from poor white trash who lived in a trailer house and didn't know Dante from griddle grease. You can do it if I can.

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hot on your trail, Z man, will soon to be 59, mercy,

thanks for the reference, ''cultural (Il)Literacy''

I still cant't get my stepdaughter and her hubbie to register to vote, no matter how they understand the current hypocrisis, redneck rastafarianz, I made up anew word, and rearding the sixties, Mnaz, my experience from 1965-69, an AFROtC Kadett at Michigan, was like seeing the cultural changes around me and it helped to wake me up, being a geography major and all. So I knew where we was when we was flying over the saturation bombing in east Cambodia, yeah. And I knew what the hypocrisy was at that time, utter shock. :shock:

And the millions keep on following. how much more bullshit are we gonna have to suck up? thank gawd Los Estados Unidos ain't th center of th woild, amigos.

In May of '69, I was about to graduate from AirFarce pilot training, saw the Cambodian invasion, Kent State shootings, and confirmed my choice for a cargo plane, trash hauler, and intensified my aingst. and the following year hit the street with the revolutionary compost masses, the uneducated proletariat. More lies, the smiling prez above it all. We need a revolution.

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Post by Arcadia » May 8th, 2006, 1:36 pm

No idea about what happens with your young people.
Here is very common to hear that kids now don´t know anything, don´t read, don´t write, don´t think, etc... I found the nowadays kids smarter than me and my friends thirty years ago...
I´m a math illiterate (the kind of one that needs a calculator to made a two digit sustraction) but I always liked geography. Even though my sense of orientation is nulo (I usually walk more blocks than I have to because of that).

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Post by mtmynd » May 9th, 2006, 7:39 pm

Deb - I'm using statistics for my rant. Yes, stats can be viewed anyway one wants to see them, depending upon whose interpreting them... there's always two-sides to every viewpoint. always. I appreciate your viewpoint and thank you for your replies. To see both sides is better to see the whole problem and lessen the importance of either side.

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Post by jimboloco » May 10th, 2006, 11:51 am

Being good at geography never kept me off the street until I became good at something else, no one is saying that geographc smarts is a panacea, but that cultural ignorance is a very real problemo, and geographic illiteracy is a part of that problem.

As far as young folks go, we will see.detachment is fromwhat I can gather, the norm.
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Post by whimsicaldeb » May 19th, 2006, 1:12 pm

Back in the sixties, a time that you well remember, I'm sure, was a time when so many of us were connected to politics... we knew where Viet Nam was, not to mention learning our 50 states, where they were and what their capitol cities were. Not only politics were discussed, but among so many there were discussions on biology, psychology, philosophy, religions and so many of the 'sub-categories' that to engage in these conversations (even after having some 'puff') was enlightening and informing. There was an aire of knowledge that permeated anyone that had interest. Folk singers and the then popular music acts, to a large degree, sang about the world condition. Today's younger folks seem deaf and mute to the world condition, caring more about the latest fashion, the latest cool sound, their ride, the cell phone and Ipod, that has the ability to ignore our world. -- Cecil
Deb - I'm using statistics for my rant. Yes, stats can be viewed anyway one wants to see them, depending upon whose interpreting them... there's always two-sides to every viewpoint. always. I appreciate your viewpoint and thank you for your replies. To see both sides is better to see the whole problem and lessen the importance of either side.
Here's some current stats to back up my rant; to help see the whole picture - the newer picture that's emerging now. And it’s a good one.

Source: http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cct ... 608176.htm

Thu, May. 18, 2006
WHERE WE LIVE

Youths led by compassion
By Jackie Burrell
CONTRA COSTA TIMES

Students from St. Mary's College work to clear debris from a storm-ravaged home in New Orleans while volunteering in January. (Photo - Slide show)


* On the Web: SMC student relief workers with daily journals and photos:
http://www.stmarys-ca.edu/nola/

When word first came that St. Mary's College was sending students to New Orleans to help hurricane victims, Justin Verrips didn't hesitate.

"The moment I found out," he says, "I went to (the dean) and said, 'Here's who I am and what I can do.'"

Indeed, helping people is what he does. At 24, Verrips has already spent half his life volunteering for Rebuilding Together, the house repair program for the elderly and disabled. He was able to put that experience to work in New Orleans with his brother and two dozen classmates from a small Moraga college with a reputation for community service.

Perhaps it's only fitting that the offspring of the so-called "me generation" have emerged as the New Philanthropists and are all about taking care of others.

It's a generation made up of young people who request ARF donations in lieu of Bat Mitzvah gifts or spend their summers building schools in the Third World. And statistics show that what began for many as a college application booster has turned into a passion they carry on into college.

According to the Higher Education Research Institute, more than 83 percent of this year's college freshman class volunteered their time in 2005. In 1990, 62 percent of incoming freshmen volunteered. Even more striking is the percentage of teens who expect to continue their charity work in college -- that number has soared from 19 to 67 percent in less than a decade.

Generational trend expert William Strauss says this is no statistical blip.

"This is a mark of a generation," says Strauss. "They are volunteering more than older people do now, and they expect to continue."

For Danielle Schnur, volunteering is about expanding her own community to being "part of a global community."

"I see things in the world I don't like," says the Berkeley High junior, who will spend her summer building a vocational school in Tanzania. It's important that I not stand by and let that happen."

That sense of having a moral imperative is typical of the generation Strauss dubs the "millennials." The Bay Area-born author of "Millennials Rising" describes this generation as smarter and more compassionate than the generation Xers and baby boomers who came before them.

Millennials were absolutely galvanized by the Katrina disaster, Strauss says. They saw FEMA's response "as an example of the older generation not doing well, not preparing for that. They thought they could do better."

And they've got a running start. Many millennials attended elementary and high schools that emphasized community service and teamwork.

Olivia Tarabini, a junior at Danville's Athenian School, spent spring break building a playground and painting a school in the Dominican Republic. She says that even at a school such as hers -- which requires 30 hours of community service per year -- most students do more. The hottest club on campus, she says, is the 200 Club, whose members volunteer 200 hours each.

And the technological savvy these students bring to their academic and entertainment choices comes into play as well.

"The Internet, text messaging, cell phones ..." says Strauss. "Their technology enables them to do civic work at a speed the older generation doesn't understand."

Virtually every teen community service project uses a Web site or MySpace page to disseminate information and recruit volunteers and donors. The massive, collaborative Tri-Valley Food Drive, for example, relies on a student-designed Web site to help coordinate its 1,100 teen volunteers in seven cities.

When a quartet of civic-minded Berkeley, El Cerrito and Oakland teens decided to follow up their rock concert fund-raiser for Afghan schools with another music venture, they looked no further than 14-year-old Zeke Nierenberg's bedroom, which is outfitted with recording studio equipment. Their newest venture is a compilation CD featuring 18 local teen rock bands.

Fund-raising concerts and parties have long been the province of celebrities and socialites. But it was teens who drew hundreds of well-wishers to Oakland's California Ballroom Saturday night. They sampled Tanzanian food and culture and contributed to the vocational school Schnur and 11 Berkeley High classmates will build this summer.

Then there was the Washington-based group of young thespians and theater-lovers who, three weeks after Hurricane Katrina struck -- and while FEMA and local governments' disaster relief efforts remained in disarray -- had already raised $50,000 with a benefit performance advertised on their Web site.

St. Mary's College students are using the Web to raise awareness and funds for next year's New Orleans relief effort. For Verrips and his classmates, two trips to help Katrina victims were not enough.

"It was truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," Verrips says. "Words can't describe it. Imagine taking Oakland, flooding it, flattening it, ruining it."

Verrips and 14 of his classmates were so moved, they went back to New Orleans during spring break and plan to return next January.

It was physically and emotionally draining work to clear debris from 23 storm-ravaged homes and help a theater, a church and an arts center prepare to rebuild. But the students repeat in their online journals that at the end of each long, intense day, they returned to their makeshift beds, layered two-deep in a mosquito net-swathed bus, with a sense of deep satisfaction.

With the support of the college and Associate Dean Shawny Anderson, who initiated the "Jan Term" project, the group is going back.

"I hope that everyone takes our example," says one student at the end of the "Blood, Sweat and Tears" documentary the group posted online. "Sitting back and watching doesn't do anything, but actually going out there is what makes the impact."

• BRIDGES TO BAYOUS -- Two dozen St. Mary's College students spent the month of January in New Orleans clearing debris from 23 ravaged homes and preparing a church, a store and numerous other buildings for reopening. Another 15 continued their relief efforts in New Orleans during spring break, and more plan to return for "Jan Term" next year. Excerpts from their journals are posted online at www.www.contracostatimes.com.

• FUTURE BUILDERS -- Four young teens from Berkeley, El Cerrito and Oakland began organizing fund-raising concerts this year to benefit youth-related charities. Their next project: a fund-raising compilation CD showcasing the music of 18 local teen rock bands. For more information, visit www.Future-Builders.org.

• TANZANIAN VOCATIONAL SCHOOL -- A summer project led by El Cerrito's Christine Nyanda-Chacha and her group African Immigrants Social and Cultural Services brings groups of teens to a small village near Lake Victoria to build schools. A dozen Berkeley High students will go this summer. For more information, visit www.afrimmigrants.org.

• TRI-VALLEY YOUTH FOOD DRIVE -- This annual food bank benefit involves 1,100 youth volunteers and 80 youth groups from seven cities. Leadership students from California, San Ramon Valley and Granada high schools organize the effort with support from Girl Scouts, 4-H and other community youth groups. They stay connected via a Web site, www.YouthFoodDrive.com, created by Athenian School students.

THE NEW PHILANTHROPISTS

According to the Higher Education Research Institute's annual study of American college freshmen, 83.2 percent of the 263,710 college freshmen surveyed during fall quarter 2005 had volunteered at least occasionally during their senior year of high school, and 70.6 percent volunteered on a weekly basis. Some 67 percent expect to continue volunteering in college, compared with 19 percent in 1998, the first year the question was asked.

YEAR: PERCENT OF INCOMING AMERICAN COLLEGE FRESHMEN WHO VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME DURING THE LAST YEAR

2005 83%
2004 80
2003 83
2002 83
2001 83
2000 81
1999 75
1998 74
1997 73
1996 72
1995 70
1989 62

~~~ end of article

Also … before any one comes back and say "they are showing it's only those in higher education" - let me just say right now that's BS because I personally know several people without higher educations that are deeply involved in helping; both young and old and inbetween in my own area – in fact I’m a living example of one who's working with the others.

So, while this article focuses on those stats primarily from higher education, it isn't the only place where the youth of lands are fully involved.

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Post by stilltrucking » May 19th, 2006, 2:33 pm

Generation is a weighty factor in personality, there I go again, personality? Sounds like pyscho bable. Maybe world view, or character. Yes that is what I was trying to say about fossil feuls and the infernal combustion engine.

I heard a sound byte on NPR about how a generation is defined, x, y, so is this Generation A+. that is my hope.

The generation one is born into has about three times more impact on a child's developement than does the family he/she is born into.

Paraphrase of sound byte.

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Post by jimboloco » May 19th, 2006, 8:44 pm

Interesting stats, certainly hopeful in that regard, if only that somehow translates into genuine cultural change.

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Post by stilltrucking » May 19th, 2006, 8:56 pm

cultural change
when we start planing a hundred years ahead. Not in five year plans or whatever

Man the kids in Texas getting a bad deal. Kinky, now that would be a cultural change ok?

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Post by jimboloco » May 19th, 2006, 9:01 pm

Well of course, Kinky wants to change the Ten commandmants to th Ten Suggestions.
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Post by stilltrucking » May 19th, 2006, 9:15 pm

yeah and I don't loose no sleep over the plasticizers in soda bottles. Back in the early sixties, doing polymer research at the WR GRAce research center in clarksvill me. Getting FDA approval of using plastic containers for beverages. now the stats are alarming as to the effect on boys. They leach out of the walls of the bottle into the drink. Naturaly they tested it on rats and there was no problem, but unfortunately they did not check for interactions with some of the other thousands of chemicals placed in our food

better living through chemistry. I think they are called pthalates.

so there I am telling the preacher about this and he says he don't lose any sleep over it. Why the hell should he it is the end times dude, da rapture. However he does worry a lot about gay marriage.

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Post by jimboloco » May 19th, 2006, 9:17 pm

well we all a bit dumb, hombre.
we are more worried about gay liberation than with plastic leaching into our Dr Peppers.
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Post by Diana Moon Glampers » May 19th, 2006, 9:19 pm

you betcha jim
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