ISHAQI, HADITHA AND "CORE WARRIOR VALUES"

[Zlatko Waterman]

There seems to be another one on the horizon, folks.

Oh well, we'll fix it with seminars in "Core Warrior Values."

( Ishaqi story from the BBC pasted in below)


New 'Iraq massacre' tape emerges



New footage
The BBC has uncovered new video evidence that US forces may have been responsible for the deliberate killing of 11 innocent Iraqi civilians.
The video appears to challenge the US military's account of events that took place in the town of Ishaqi in March.

The US said at the time four people died during a military operation, but Iraqi police claimed that US troops had deliberately shot the 11 people.

A spokesman for US forces in Iraq told the BBC an inquiry was under way.

The new evidence comes in the wake of the alleged massacre in Haditha, where US marines are suspected of killing up to 24 Iraqi civilians in November 2005 and covering up the deaths.

The incident is being investigated by the Pentagon.

The US military has announced that coalition troops in Iraq are to have ethical training following the furore surrounding the alleged killings.

For the next 30 days, they would receive lessons in "core warrior values", a military statement said.

The news of ethical training for US-led troops is likely to be greeted with cynicism by many Iraqis, the BBC's Ian Pannell in Baghdad says, as the troops have long been accused of deliberately targeting civilians.

Cross-checked

The video pictures obtained by the BBC appear to contradict the US account of the events in Ishaqi, about 100km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, on 15 March 2006.



The US authorities said they were involved in a firefight after a tip-off that an al-Qaeda supporter was visiting the house.

According to the Americans, the building collapsed under heavy fire killing four people - a suspect, two women and a child.

But a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The video tape obtained by the BBC shows a number of dead adults and children at the site with what our world affairs editor John Simpson says were clearly gunshot wounds.

The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.

It has been cross-checked with other images taken at the time of events and is believed to be genuine, the BBC's Ian Pannell in Baghdad says.

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--Z

[whimsicaldeb]

I saw that too ... just a bit ago.

I've been seeing 'rumblings' about this for a the last few days now, but not anything about the video until today.

CSM had other things, but I can't find them now, only this:
Source:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0602/p02s01-usmi.html

War atrocities: awareness grows, tolerance drops
By Brad Knickerbocker | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

and then there are these ...

June 1st, 2006 2:55 am
U.S. Says Troops Fired at Crowd In Afghan Capital

Shooting Was in Self-Defense, Spokesman for Military Says
By Pamela Constable / Washington Post

KABUL, Afghanistan, May 31 -- U.S. military officials acknowledged Wednesday that American troops had fired at an angry mob that surrounded the scene of a traffic accident in the Afghan capital Monday morning. Officials previously had said the troops fired only into the air.

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June 1st, 2006 9:52 pm
Attorney: 7 Marines, sailor face murder charges

8 to be charged in death of Iraqi civilian in April, defense lawyer says

SAN DIEGO - Military prosecutors plan to file murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges against seven Marines and a Navy corpsman in the shooting death of an Iraqi man in April, a defense lawyer said Thursday.

both from MM's website:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php

~~~~


and then this one ...

June 01, 2006 edition

Can the military effectively investigate itself?
Two investigations into Iraqi deaths are nearing completion.
By Mark Sappenfield | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – For the second time since the war in Iraq began, the United States is awaiting a military investigation into sensational allegations of its troops' misconduct.
http://search.csmonitor.com/search_cont ... -usmi.html

....

As hard as these are to see and hear, better out in the open and being address then hidden away, swept under the carpets. (imo)

[Zlatko Waterman]

Dear Deb:

A few days ago on NPR I heard Warren Olney on TO THE POINT interview a lawyer and a former admiral who is now a consultant at some "justice" think tank about Haditha and the "culture of the military."

This man, incredibly enough, came across as strongly anti- Iraq War. He was also kind, compassionate and willing to entertain the notion that the military not only makes "mistakes", but makes them often.

Phyllis Bennis was also on the same program:

( she's on this page-- click her link)

http://www.ips-dc.org/bios.htm#Phyllis%20Bennis

I had heard Ms. Bennis before and she is an impressive speaker and very cool under fire.

She made it clear that murder was part of the marketplace of war. Killing is what the military does ( or do if you're British).

The admiral said the troops were overextended and had had too many tours of duty. That is certainly so.

But their commanders at the highest levels ( Rumsfeld, Bush) are not mindful of the context in which these young men, who do not speak the language in which they are forced to swim, are heavily armed and under powerful emotional strain are required to function. As in Vietnam, the enemy comes to be the people themselves-- them against the American occupiers.

It's true Haditha and other massacres are predictable given the circumstances. An illegal and immoral war will do that to occupiers.

Thanks for your clippings and comments, as always, my MySpace friend,


--Z

[jimboloco]

It's exactly true
when you go and invade and occupy another country
suddenly you find yourself surrounded
embedded in the native populace
hello!
why Iraq War is like Vietnam War
and still the professional militarios say
they signed on to protect the constitution
as ordered by the prez
it ain't their job to judge
but everyone has their limits
what they will or will not do
for some of us it is evident
we gotta deal with mr magoo
and his band of mercenaries
stolen from the heartland
a nation addicted to war
the way is clear
we maintain the clarion call
to wage peace
and hold the scoundrels accountable
for turning young men into brutes
to serve the masters
and maintain th status-quo
america divided as never before.

[mnaz]

No amount of "grunt" schooling can make truth out of a lie.

[hester_prynne]

Indeed Mnaz, touche` and well said.
The grunts have become ever deafening.

The amazing thing is that life is just going on like nothing is amiss when it is amiss. The elephant in the White House continues his rampage of ignorance and ego.....to the demise of us all.
I don't know what to do about it.
It's very frustrating.

This cage within the system I am striving so hard to maintain feels less and less secure.

I find myself wanting to buy a little truck with a camper on it so's Stella and I will at least have a place to sleep if things really do go belly up for all of us.....seems more and more like it could.....
Shit. What a terrible, horrible mess.

H

[diesel dyke]

It's very frustrating.

You think you are frustrated. I ain't been fucked in twenty six years.

It's exactly true

Some of those people on their third tour. You know I suppose the Samurai got the warrior thing pretty close to right. This is worse than vietnam, the casualties are not as high bur the situation is more dire. I never know what to say to bitter Swift Boat veterans about their belief that we could have won in Viet Nam. I bite my tongue and don't say "won what?

I talk about a professor at the university of chicago called leo strauss. He is the grand daddy of mr magoo's crusaders. People here act like I am talking about the illumanati and conspiracy theories. No conspiracy there folks. These people who have stole america have been right out front about it. No secretes, they been at this since the republican debacle of 1964

The amazing thing is that life is just going on like nothing is amiss when it is amiss.

Hester I had to turn to page 13A of my local newspaper to find one mention of our War On Arabs.

I don't know what to do about it.

What can you do?

"Loosen up?"....

I've probably said too much already..... It seems I only come here when I wanna get lost in the desert or vent frustration.... and I've this bad habit of speaking for others in my frustration. It isn't healthy, it isn't zen, if pushed too far. To constantly rail for change with deep-seated anger or brute force is barking up the wrong tree. Ultimately, warriors will be warriors and fools will follow suit, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it except wake to enjoy another sunrise.

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I tell you herr professor this board makes me nervous.