hezbollah just found out. . .

[the flaming ace]

ahthe latin quarter from down under just popped in, muy bien
the poetry that surpasses all understanding
yet the feeling is right on target

what is it we are looking for in our impending revolution,
mercy, listen to the latinos

i have here a gem a dharma talk,
from the wife of our dharma teacher in clearwaterzen,
mercy, a pair,
she teaches in Poland of all places and am sure she would accept an invite to Argentina
specifically the Rosario centro de zen,
mercy,
War and Peace and PracticeA dharma talk by Sunya Kjolhede Sensei given on the anniversary of the third year of the war in Iraq.
so poignant and also
a clarion call to practice
of some sort
to get that radiant center
and help to transform humanidad.

la gente unidos
no mas serán comidos

[Arcadia]

el pueblo unido jamas sera comido... it sounds good... I will propose this in the next marcha!
thanks for the link!.My zafu was waiting in the zen center unsuccesfully in the last weeks (sorry zafu, I don't want to personificar/you...), maybe temporary zazen/phobia or something similar, I don't know.

[singlemalt]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13861912/

Iran and Syria, analysts say, believe the intensified violence will help strengthen their positions in their conflicts with the West and show they hold the key to a settlement of the Arab-Israeli issue.

The White House said Wednesday, hours after Hezbollah took the two Israelis, that it holds Iran and Syria responsible.

On Friday, French President Jacques Chirac implicitly suggested the two states might have a role in the expanding crisis, saying he has “the feeling, if not the conviction, that Hamas and Hezbollah wouldn’t have taken the initiatives alone.”

Moderate Arab governments like Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia appear to have the same belief — though they haven’t said so outright because of a reluctance to show splits with fellow Muslim nations. Instead, it’s reflected in their mild criticisms of Israel’s air campaign in Lebanon and their indirect denunciations of Hezbollah.

“In the case of Syria ... they feel this makes them a factor, that people have to pay attention to them,” he said.

But they may have miscalculated.

In Lebanon, there is mounting resentment against the Hezbollah action, which has killed a tourism season many had expected to be one of Lebanon’s best.

If Hezbollah fails to win a prisoner swap for the soldiers and if Israel carries out its threat to push Hezbollah away from its border, the group will be blamed for the damage to Lebanon.

“Hezbollah will definitely emerge as a loser,” said Saghieh, the columnist for Al-Hayat. “It’s hijacked the country and is demanding the Lebanese pay with their lives for its actions.”

“The people and other political parties are going to demand that Hezbollah account for its actions since it has always claimed that its resistance offered us protection,” he said.

the statement still stands -- payback's a bitch.

[the flaming ace]

singlemalt what is that?
some kind of special beer or a latino soda?
meanwhile we are peruzing your posts and link


i wonder about the geo-political structure of Lebanon and about the power base there. Seems like it would be comprised of hezbollah factioonz and also the Lebanese centrists, for lack of a better word, and also the syrian sympathetists, all of whom constitute the three main blocks of lebanese felafel eating contests at th local fair. The bkue ribbbon prize won by th lady in th blue -jean burkha, her hummus maximus iz the best.


ah yes
when i got to stpete
th first time
i checked into th local st pete vet center
i met this duude
a counselor
he had his helmet a'hangin on his door
he said
"I don kill people,,,,,I kill communiztz."
mercy
uncle ho
where d'ya go
when th tide's out
an th river don flowwwwww.
ya gettin druunk yet
maltymon?

oh ya he got fired
mercy
so i went back an counselled with jennifer
thdaughter of a marine
she say's there's a dream story,
some underground stream lady says,
"i had this dream,
there are two dogz fighting"
"a pretty one and an ugly one'"
she says, and
"they will keep fighting until of of them winz."
course she was talkin 'bout self-esteem, and cognitive therapeutic beautious healing words and such, tho
in this case
mercy,one hopes that
the USofA's political weight is withheld in favor of a more localized solution.

ah yes let'z land th marines in lebanonnn once again, mannnn
so who are you rooting for?

[firsty]

at what point in our Biblical or historical transcripts have we seen a time where the Hebrews didnt fuck up and get their asses kicked out of the holy land?

i believe in God and all gods. i believe in the rights of all people and i believe in the right for all people to hold things sacred. but if moveon.org moved on in to israel right now, and the aclu set up shop in downtown jerusalem, you'd have a clusterfuck of confusion going on.

north korea is connected to china and russia, and russia is connected to iran and syria and lebanon, and if you think for one second that the only reason bush hasnt said much about this is because he's trying to figure out how to appease the saudis you're a dumb fothermucker with an ass of coal and an evaporating ounce of good sense.

israel could take over the middle east right now if it wanted to, and oop we better not piss off the chinese over this less brown version of saddam or else we dont know what theyll do.

here is my poem on the new middle east crisis:

fuck me runnin



i dont even know which flags to burn anymore. ken lay was a saint, i guess, they say.

[stilltrucking]

You know firsty I do love you, when you write like that.

[the flaming ace]

and if you think for one second that the only reason bush hasnt said much about this is because he's trying to figure out how to appease the saudis you're a dumb fothermucker with an ass of coal and an evaporating ounce of good sense.

flaming for sure

[Arcadia]

interesting link flaming ace!!! The militant thing and the violence thing, yeah is una linea delgada. I could understand all that she said in english during the 36 minutes. Maybe she talked slow or she had a neutral pronuntiation or my aculturation procces is more advanced than I thought. Thanks!

[stilltrucking]

At the end of the talk someone from the audience
...asked the Dalai Lama:
"Why didn't you fight back against the Chinese?"

The Dalai Lama looked down, swung his feet just a bit,
then looked back up at us and said with a gentle smile,
"Well, war is obsolete, you know."

Then, after a few moments, his face grave, he said,
"Of course the mind can rationalize fighting back...
but the heart, the heart would never understand.
Then you would be divided in yourself... the heart and the mind
...and the war would be inside you."

[the flaming ace]

why thanks for listening to sensei sonya
muy bien
and the israelies have been systematically bombing lebanon all over
using weapons and armaments and fighters and attack helicopters all made in the USofA
altho bushie says that hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran
he for got to mention that the USofA has been daddywarbucks for Israel
so
why did Israel conflagrate the situation?
over two kidnapped soldiers?
they've been doing prisoner swaps for years already
so why now
this craziness?
and you think we are safer at home in the USofA now?
and bushitsie
so stupid
says at st pete, Russia, that he hopes that
the Russian government will become more like the Iraqi government?
mercy
ol Putin says, "geez I hope not, would not want the Russian government to be like the Iraqi government," mercy,
the whole world knows how dumb Presidunce Bushit is, for sure,\altho he and Tony Blair seemed to be having a good time,
and that Japanese prima Donna, Bushit's aisian poodle, likes the Beatles?
There were Russian kids marching in the streets of old St Petersburg.
Bows to Buddhamind, for sure.

[stilltrucking]

Bows

[judih]

flaming ace - israel was invaded. Those soldiers were taken on Israeli territory. Rockets were tossed into Israel.

Lebanon allowed it to happen.

Hezbollah is not the kind of neighbour you allow to come into your house and steal your children. It's the kind of neighbour you don't invite back and when they show up unannounced to destroy your home, you begin to understand that simple conversations are not going to deliver a message.

What's wrong with internationally enforced cease-fire? Israel will obey and Hezbollah won't. Who's going to make them?

This is not an easy situation.

[jimboloco]

My heart is with you at this time. I say to Israel the same thing I say to America, use your friggin heads. this trigger-happy shock and awe will get ya nowheres.
2,000 Israelis hold anti-war demo in Tel Aviv
how does a nation live by rule of fear?
Reality in Lebanon a slide show of air war damage
Israel has a history of invasions into the surrounding areas. This includes recent incursions into Lebanon for the expressed purposes of kidnappings of individuals. The quantity of violence that Israel unleashed into Lebanon is without redemption.

Let Israel begin with a cease fire. They should not be allowed to bomb all parts of Lebanon indiscrimanately. I am not happy about this. It was tactically unnecessary and strategically impractical and immoral.

Protecting one's home is not the same as destroying the entire infrastructure of your neighboring country. You will see an ongoing rebuilding of the anger that will not cease, and this current barrage of AAmerican weaponry into Lebanon via Israeli militarism is not going to stop the anger or the bloodshed. It will only, in the long run, make Israel more vunerable than ever. I am doubtful about thhe long term prospectd for Israel now. Peace will never happen there. But the good folks in east texas are happy. Their munitions plants are staying busy. There's money to be made.

You say that Lebanon allowed it to happen. An easy asumption for all out
unleashing of a violence beyond redemption into Lebanon. Making direct war on Hezbollah into southern Lebanon would have been preferable beacuse, as you say, there would have been no military response from Lebanon, which has Hezbollah to the south and the real Lebanon in the north. Lebanon has no enforcement power over hezbolah, Israel has alienated the entire region now. They should have worked to create a wedge between Hezbollah and the rest of the country. And by this I don't mean bombing out all the roads, bridges, tunnels, powerplants, water resource facilities, sewage plants,, mercy.

There were many other kinds of actions that could have been undertaken.
And remember, the Hezbollah missiles did not start until Israel started the intense bombing campaign. This was a mistake.

A buffer zone around Israel, will be the ojnly way that this creation out of the old British empire can sustain itself. Yes the wall yes
demilitarized zones all around
with miles of landmines and concertina wires and
so that is really the way for Israel to go.
there will be no peace there ever.

My old air force amigo richard berke was israeli
he was born in egypt raised in israel and the USofA
we flew in the Nam together and afterwards, i dropped out of the air war onto the third world, but he stayed on. Nice fellow, truly warm and so forth,
but he was always unabashedly rascist about the arabs, the palestinians.

I have always been an advocate for UN peacekeepers
but they are not empowered to do anything but pick up the dead and some of the wounded right now, by the way, those of them what can get to the hospitals. Most of the dead were civilians, including children.

[jimboloco]

from WBAI in new York City.
*****************************************************

A Four-Hour Teach-In, Produced by Mimi Rosenberg

and Co-Hosted with Bernard White
The Middle East Exploding!
(the clip is an hour long, skip the first ten minutes)
A Teach-In on the nature and causes of the ever widening crisis between

first Israel and Palestine and now including Lebanon with the potential for

further escalation in the powder keg we call the Middle East. Already

military and civilian casualties are growing on both sides. How did the

situation get so out of control so quickly? Is Israel using the relatively

minor attacks by its adversaries as an excuse to promote a wider agenda?

What is the role of the U.S. in this devolution of the conflict, and an analysis

of U.S. and international media reporting on the facts on the ground.



also daily streaming with democracy now has a broader reporting of this latest tragic unfoldings. http://www.democracynow.org/

[jimboloco]

Fresh Air from WHYY, July 17, 2006 · Steven Erlanger, New York Times bureau chief in Jerusalem, joins us to talk about intensified fighting in the region. Erlanger has reported from all over the world, serving in Moscow, Bangkok, Prague and other cities. Prior to his tenure at the Times, he wrote for The Boston Globe.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5562718

Here's a more disspassionate reflection on the interview talk show, Fresh Air.