hezbollah just found out. . .

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Post by mtmynd » July 23rd, 2006, 2:26 pm

bravo, mnaz!

Speaking of crunching the numbers.... give some serious thought to our own Military/Industrial/Fear complex and all that survive from the benefits. The vast majority of Americans are directly or indirectly dependent upon this 'machine of war' that has given us our 'Way of Life' that we so 'freely' enjoy (while the rest of the world becomes more fearful of us).

As long as our public has something to fear, the madness will continue. We are helpless to do the alternative to our fear-mongering... it won't pay off. The rich must get richer at the sacrifice of all others below their per-annum incomes, and fear pays very well (even Hollywood knows that!). Love, peace and charity...? Jesus and all others that preached those lines were itinerant preachers who were poor! Disgraceful! Do we really want our futures to be like that? We've learned to not give away anything that won't make us a buck. Peace, Love and Charity are give-aways that don't pay the bills... but war! now that is the great money making endeavor. The U.S. has become the masters of that thru the wallets of it's fearful and submissive public.

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Post by hester prynne » July 23rd, 2006, 4:15 pm

Indeed I cannot help but wonder.

If Israel really just was aiming to nip things in the bud, if Israel is that protective of it's citizens it will be less offensive than if somehow it comes to light that it's all a manipulation by some really errant thinking entity from afar.......

Judih, please be safe.
I am thinking protective thoughts for you very much.

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Post by jimboloco » July 23rd, 2006, 6:13 pm

Jesus, Jack!
oy vey
i've been waiting a long time to say that,
only I didn't realize it untyil just now, mercy,
ya gonna leave agin?
drink some gin, my friend.
I'd like nothing better than to join you
for a tip or two
at the Studio Eight Bar,
cauzzze you are,
by far,
the most appreciated mutant visionary,
bar none,
said that just for fun.

Arcadia, incredible,
I read right thru the first half, and I will have to say
(Jesus, I just got broadsided in the right temple
bu a little worry ball thrown by my step-grandson, Austin)
Image
that e dog would appreciate the philosophical construction
of this article, and the introduction is awesome,
it merely asks,
who is right,, x, y, or z,
and if these parties are all mutuually exclusive to the others,
then what ya got is an untenable situation.

Fortunately, there is more to read.


Well of course, Hester, Izrael'z military iz ixactly trying to do juzt that,
nip thingz in the bud. You said it just right.

It is awesome to have Judih here with us. We all want sanity to prevail,
unfortunately all we can do at this momnent is to stay connected and open, in this moment, what is the best thing that we can do?

Meanwhile, mnaz and mmytymynd, mercy,
paint the kettle black
zones of rage and violece
don't pertain to us
altho we are connectted psychically,
all of us, to one another and
with the unending power struggles.

Heard a story this morning at zen group, part of a dharma talk.

Hell was this place where the table was set, a large pot of stew was there, all the people had long ladled spoons, so long that they were unable to feed themselves. Anger and torment was their lot.

Heaven was this place where thhe table was set exactly as before, with long ladled spoons, only the people fed each other.

that's what a sangha is like.
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Post by Arcadia » July 23rd, 2006, 8:45 pm

s/t: the third what..??? (I'm not good at genealogies!)

jimbo: beautiful Austin!! and yes, feinmann is one of pagina/12's thinkers.

judih: kisses

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Post by e_dog » July 23rd, 2006, 9:09 pm

that's what a sangha is like
i can't take sangha.

need caffeine in my coffee.


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Post by mnaz » July 24th, 2006, 1:45 am

Alright, I've calmed down now. I came across as a holier-than-thou know-it-all, perhaps. Perhaps I shouldn't comment at all, because (A) I don't live there, and (B), I don't have a concrete solution to offer, other than maximum possible restraint by all parties involved. Yes, I know.... a difficult concept in a delirious, delusional, instant-heaven sort of world environment. "Turn the other cheek" was never a big seller for Jesus.

Alright, I admit. For the people of Israel living under constant threat of attack, perhaps that comment isn't fair, or even a misguided cheap shot. Alright. Point taken. Thing is, the heavy-handed approach does more to strengthen Islamic extremism than curb it, or "teach it a lesson". The Soviets found this out in Afghanistan, the U.S. is finding it out in Iraq, and Israel knows this (or should) from decades of pointless vicious circle/cycle. There has to be a better way. My gut tells me that much. I wish I had more to suggest, beyond that.

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Post by jimboloco » July 24th, 2006, 8:10 am

ya don't need a zygote in yer coffee.
the sangha coffee group iis wired.

Anyhow, mnaz, I agree, sef defense is important for the Israelies.
I have no qualms about Israel going after Hezbollah, but am in disagreement with the air war that is causing so much suffering, extended throughout Lebanon. I would have been in favor of a tactical air support of ground operations, what is going on now in the immediate frontier zone, against Hezbollah specifically. Israel does not care how many Lebanese civilians are killed, they become collateral damage. Hezbollah does not care how many Lebanese civilians are killed, they become martyrs, and it is a rabid hate-filled entity with no sane basis for existence. Nor do they care how many Israeli civilians are killed. Unfortunately, the mass air war campaign throughout Lebanon and especially the southern half of the country evokes more rage and resilience, as is seen by the feirceness of the Hezbollah combatants.

Does anybody think that these people will simply give up now and say, "we've had enough?"? So the most Israel can hope for is a reprieve, perhaps. Once they withdraw their troops, the Hezziez will simply dig in again, with ever-improving technologies tuned into guerilla warfare.
While it may seem a contradiction to some, using restraint in the air war and spefically targeting the Hezbollah strongholds would have been a more efective effort. As it is, Israel has asked for assurances that the supply of weapons from the USofA continues as aggressively as needed to help them maintain their high level of militarism.

more of the same to follow, i ain't got nothing else to say. hope somebody else has a comment to offer, I really appreciate the time and energy that went through this scroll. I do note there has been a diversity of opinions expressed in the readers' letters to the St Pete Times, including many who have expressed concerns about the heavy-handed air barrage that Israel took out on the people of Lebanon.
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Post by jimboloco » July 24th, 2006, 10:41 am

ah well have this morning for time and linked intoo the democracy now audio clip with the interview posted prior page by electric canine, with the israeli pilot with "combatants for peace." i was unable to stream or download the video, tho, their posted url link to he video stream is incorrect, so i emailed them to let them know, hopefully, i will get to see it.
ah monday's video stream is not up either, just the sound.

i want to connect with the israeli pilots for peace, was searching, they are in the arabic news and israeli news as well, but have found no home website. i'll change my search.
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Post by mtmynd » July 24th, 2006, 11:01 am

If anyone has an answer for the madness going on, (Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Korea... for example), let me know.

It's difficult for me to stand up for any one side amidst all the confusion. My head has been bombed out from all the media exposure, all the different sides speaking out in their own favor, all the lame excuses to kill and destroy.

Hezbollah, (which reminds me of Hitler's SS, with their black outfits and un-human-like marching in strict obedience to... something), claims something akin to defending Arabs and Muslims while in Iraq this same collective Arab-ness is destroying each other with car/human bombs. They're all liars.

The Israeli government retaliates against the 'Hez' for kidnapping 2 soldiers and killing 3 by first dropping leaflets in what is (was?) known as the Hezbollah area of Beirut, as if the only people that would leave would be the non-Hez (why would any Hez-type stay there to be bombed..?). Semi-understandable, but still a bit over the top. But to bomb the airport, bridges and hiways leading out of Lebanon (so everyone has to get stressed out..?), and to ignore the thousands of non-Lebanese who are vacationing there (25.000 U.S., untold numbers of Swedes, Italians, Spanish, Brits, etc... how do they safely evacuate the dangers presented?), and the latest news of the U.S. rushing smart missiles to Israel (to more smartly destroy Beirut... maybe level all of Lebanon..?), to my simple mind, makes little logical sense. As most of us know, this fuels what the Bush Regime loves to call 'terrorism', as if being bombed, maimed and killed, knowing you are totally innocent, is not terror itself.

And this sense of Arab Nationalism is just not evident anywhere in the region, which puts Osama Bin Laden (remember him?) in the ranks of the Clueless Dreamer. If the entire Arab world were truly united for one cause (whose would that be!?!?), then all the countries/emirates would obviously ban together in a collective mass and give the non-Arab world absolute Hell, beginning with destroying every oil well in the entire region. Talk of world-wide havoc... But the Arab world is not quite so united in their agreements (like the divided U.S. politcally..?), as easliy witnessed thru at least the civil war in Iraq against Sunni, Shiites, Kurds and who knows who else.

This idea of unification is nothing more than a bad idea. The current Neo-Con-contolled U.S. Regime feels that their ideology of uniting the world through forced democratic ideals mixed with the U.S. controlling all power worldwide, beginning with the Mid-East (Venezuela: next target), is preposterous. The One World goal of Neo-Cons has to begin with fear tactics which in turn allows them to build a larger and larger military might and along with total control of the power reserves of the world pretty much sows up their agenda... but it must be propagandized over and over to those that (unwillingly) support the effort. There will always be a bad element somewhere on the planet that threatens stability - the Bad Guy has to exist in order to justify the continued escalation of might, which in turn subjugates all within its forceful boundaries. The scenario for this is being played out right now with BushCo and began as an exericise with the (first) Gulf War under Bush I, and along with the continuation of leadership (Cheney, Runsfield, Wolfowitz, etc) is still growing. Bush has beaten Great Britain into submission and is using Blair as a tool. Could the same be said for Israel? The new PM Olmert being assured of beating the 'terrorists' by feeding his military more sophisticate weaponry, thereby leaving Israel more dependent upon the Neo-Con Regime's future is not unbelievable at this point.

The Mid-East has to be the main thrust of any notion of global superiority for any country. The oil is still in abundance which fuels not just the automobile, but virtually anything anymore - electricity, pharmaceutical industries, chemical industries (plastics, agricultural products, for examples). Remember the close alliance Bush 1 had (has?) with Saudi Arabia (where the Bin Laden family hails from... and, btw, the Twin Tower/Pentagon 'kamakazis' were mostly Saudi), whose relations have been extended by Dubya. Saudi Arabia never gets called down for their human rights violations, their non-democratic 'government', and is even a place where some 'evil terrorists' have been sent for interrogation (extreme brutalism, that might make Saddam look ... well, you get the drift).

It seems I'm placing all blame on America here, but let me assure you that America is not directly to blame, but rather the power elite that currently reigns supreme now. It also seems rather crazy to think a man like George W. Bush could have such influence across our lands... but he does. Hurricane Katrina was an eye-opener for the country due to the response of our current adminstration - we know and have heard the many stories, but the way I see it is BushCo would rather spend the government's (our) monies in a continuation of his (their) Iraq policies for one main reason - Iraq has the 2d largest (known) oil reserve, something we should not forget in the turmoil of the situation in the Mid-East.

What I am bringing up here is our world's madness. It's growing exponentially across the earth. Add to all the political concerns we are facing globally, the global warming also brings enormous concerns... and quite possibly even to the Neo-Con agenda, something they never even considered... indeed! would not want to consider (note the several acts of disclosure on the subject thru our current government actions). Could global warming have anything to do with the political situation in the world? Could the world's leaders be somehow mentally affected by the stress this earth is experiencing...? I'll leave that one for others more interested. But one thing I'll stand by - the world leaders are all liars, deceivers and cheats that have their own agendas, most at the mercy of their public and we all have to pay their price one way or another...

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Post by firsty » July 24th, 2006, 11:02 am

the US is rushing (additional) bombs to israel:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._expedi ... slim_world

at some point, americans need to let the govt know how it wants to fight the "war on terror". because, get this: bush isnt stopping in iraq. we all knew that. syria was next and has been next for a while, despite the iran nucular "crisis".

before long, there will be american troops on the ground in lebanon expressly aiding israel.

lets get our elementary kids to sign those bombs first! we can have preschools write death threats to little syrian children. hi my name is billy and i'm american and my CEO of america says we dont get fooled again so fuck you, little kids of syria, i hope u die lol love, billy.
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Post by the flaming ace » July 24th, 2006, 11:05 am

Reality in Lebanon a slide show of air war damage in Lebanon from youtune.com, becAUSE SAYING THE iSRAELI'S WENT BEZERK INTO lEBANON is more than just some done deal.

continued israeli bloodshed ...

BBC Travels into Southern Lebanon as Attacks Increase

Exit Hezbollah! for a pro-israeli air war video
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Post by firsty » July 24th, 2006, 1:37 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html

hello, lebanon. hey, it's me, condi. i'm a woman but fuck it anyway, i wanted to swing by to say hey, before, you know, well, honestly, we're sending a whole shitload of laser-guided bombs over here to kill and maim your citizens, not sure how many so far, what, like 400, give or take? eh. well, anyway, before all that comes down i wanted to swing by for a photo op. shake my hand, bitch. look at my teeth. look, deeply, into the wildly hypnotic glow of my teeth. ok, outta here. get back in your bomb shelter. peace out. ha. i love irony.
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Post by firsty » July 24th, 2006, 1:38 pm

do you realize that hezbollah has already done more for the people of southern lebanon than our govt has yet to do for the people of new orleans?

gotta love it. gotta fuckin love it.
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Post by Arcadia » July 24th, 2006, 1:41 pm

the last link... first sight clean video: only planes a flag and people with suits... where are the israeli soldiers?. Videos in war times ... (I still remember the inmaculate soldiers marching below the flag during the seventies). The audio was bad, it sounded like Erasure, but I'm not sure.

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Post by jimboloco » July 24th, 2006, 2:22 pm

http://www.combatantsforpeace.org/

Parts from the personal story of Suliman al-Chatib as told in the "Combatants for Peace" gathering in Beit Jala, 16.06.2005

Parts from the personal story of Chen Alon as told in the "Combatants for Peace" gathering in Beit Jala, 16.06.2005

democracy now today, Monday, 24 july, has more interviewing with the israeli pilot for peace who helped start the combatants for peace
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... 24/1439247
Combatants For Peace: Former Israeli and Palestinian Fighters Talk About Why Dialogue, Not War, Will Solve the Middle East Crisis

yes condi riice, the great humanitarian

it is obviously a charade and a twisting about of events
the Usa supplies Israel with most of its armaments which they use on Lebanon, meanwhile the Usofa says that it will not call for a cease-fire until "conditions are right", but hey, when it's all over, she says relief supplies will be sent. Looks like a charade to me, and to many others elsewhere, I am sure, but hey, the USA media has the storybook version.

thanks for your essay, If anyone has an answer for the madness going on mtmynd, very clear and encompassing. the neo-con quagmire

a page of videos from cnn, it has a diversity of stories
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/mideast.crisis/video/
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