Three cheers for Bill.....

[hester prynne]

Three cheers and an oom bop de dop for Bill Clinton.....for finally getting mad.....indeed I hope others fall suit, tout suite. I tell you it was a turn on to see him speak so firmly, to get into their fox faces, like Georgie does us, the difference being that Bill is speaking the truth and george speaks his bully lies.....george turns us into deer in the headlights, bill gave me hope yesterday, standing up to their smirking little "i got jesus" faces....Let's face it, it's the fanatics that are the terrorists...and they are running this show.....we, you and me, are the targets for them to use against each other.

I've been absolutely unable to even begin to cope with what's been going on in our leadership. Tongue tied, it's so unbelieveable, the fact that these clowns in charge have not all been booted yet astounds me. It's like we have to sit here and watch them take us all down. Gas prices go up and then down again when they need to smooth over something. Social security is once again being toyed with, because they've spent it all and now need to figure a way to get out of that...... Despite our donations for katrina, we will pay heavy taxes to fix it back up again because our loving donations were spent elsewhere, just like many of our loving sons and daughters have been spent, recklessly, carelessly and for an agenda that is your own continual, eventual demise. Do you feel it yet? Will enough people feel it before it's too late. Is it already to late? Will those of us who have been aware all along always be labeled "crazy" or "potential terrorists"?

I heard an interview on alternative radio with Gore Vidal last week. He said that he's preparing to get out of this country and it's not so much because of the bush admin, but more because the American people have become so incredibly stupid, it's driving him out.
Touche~

It's mind boggling. I sure hope someone saves us....and soon.
I fear it's too late to save ourselves.....
H

[stilltrucking]

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule ."
H. L.Mencken

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.-- Douglas Adams

I am going down with the ship. Too broke to leave town. S.O.S Save ourselves. Oh wait S.O.S. that stands for chipped beef on toast.

The Hopi have a saying for times of trouble. "We are the ones we have been waiting for." paraphrase from memory.

Bush a MBA from Harvard. The only MBA to ever been elected president. Maybe we need a constitutional Amendment . No more stinking MBA's Lets stick to lawyers like old Bill Clinton.

If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it," Bernays argued. He called this scientific technique of opinion molding the "engineering of consent."

People are such got damned sheep, we were not born to lead.
That job is reserved for the wolves among us.

[mtmynd]

i listened to andy rooney on the imus show this a.m.. he said there are those that like clinton and those that hate clinton. that about sums it up. the same pertaining to bush.

when clinton was president, i ran into many that simply hated the man, even before monica. today, i just hate bush no matter what. the other side loves the man... no matter what.

hes', being one that appreciates astrology, you could easily see that no matter what our personal feelings are... things just are what they are.... each moment. in cowboy speak: the good guy always wins. if we didn't have that hope everything would be hopeless. trust in the stars and the forces that created them. the problems of the world are not ours to stress over. (now, if only i could do that. )

[Dave The Dov]

All the presidents were loved and hated that's normal.
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[stilltrucking]

Washington was called a war profiteer back in the days

[mnaz]

Great post, truckin'. much truth.

As for the rest of the mumblin' about 'hate' and such, what gives? Why hate anyone based solely on general ideology, right, left, rich, poor, lawyer, doctor, pauper, preacher? Reject the actions, not the actors. If this nation is in decline, as so many blaring sirens on both the "left" and "right" (what the hell does "left" or "right" mean anymore?) repeatedly decry, blind faith in and acquiescence to our leaders and their deeds done in the name of our untouchable symbols--- lack of collective personal responsibility and integrity-- is at the root of it. Hate? What about it?

Oh, and btw stilltruckin',.... where did you get that bit about how Washington was called a "war profiteer" in his day? Just curious. Did Washington have his own perpetual war machine set up? Did Washington have his own Halliburtons and KBRs?

[Dave The Dov]

War is profit and that prophet is death.
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[stilltrucking]

The bit about the some of the news papers in that period calling Washington a war profiteer goes back to my high school history class. Also where I first heard of the small pox tainted blankets given to native americans. Mr Waskow taught that class. He taught american history, the good, bad, and ugly. This was 1958-1959.

God bless teachers who love to teach.

I am still trying to think of something good that came out of the revolutionary war.

I think the war profiteer label goes back to war bonds he owned or something. , Mr. Waskow never said that the charges were true.. He only mentioned that the newspapers in that period called him that. Hard to google because you get so many hits for "washington" and "war profits"
these days.

Edit
I found this one.

She uncritically accepted the charges against Jefferson by a disappointed office holder and scurrilous political journalist who called John Adams a British spy and George Washington a Revolutionary War profiteer.

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gg ... 18&er=deny

[mnaz]

I am still trying to think of something good that came out of the revolutionary war.

the colonies threw off those imperialist brits and became the fledgling U. S. of A, right?

....then again, much of the rest of the world has been trying to throw off the U.S. of A (along with the brits) at numerous points in time ever since....so.... go figure....

[stilltrucking]

Mnaz I deleted a long rambling reply I will send it to in a PM if you don't mind.

Mr Waskow left me with a love of history. I read every Greek and Latin history I could lay my hands on. Herodotus, Polybius, Seutonious, Thucydides, Josephus, that is all I can think of right now. I also read a thousand pages of Gibbons Decline and Fall..

How modern Thucydides sounded to me, like right out of the pages of the NY Times op ed page.

I think of Thucydides' Peloponnesian War and what it did to Athens.

Santayana said that those who forget, repeat the past. I am getting so got dam cynical I think that those who remember the past are doomed to repeat. Sorry about the deletion.

Damn damn there I go again another mindless ramble

[stilltrucking]

One last comment.

Hester there is one thing that sets George above Clinton. Old george is such a moral upright guy. you know he would never have to pick any pubic hair out of his teeth. And he would never get a blow job in the oval office from Harriet Myers.

You have no idea how offended truck drivers were about that blow job. Truck drivers are among the most sexaully pure people on this earth.

My brother in law (sung to the tune of mother in law) drove me crazy during the 2004 campaign. He kept going on about clinton and his morals. I tried to explain to him that Bush was not running against Clinton. But that blow job was an idea fixed in his mind. But of course he is married to my married my sister (twice) so I have to cut him some slack

Now somebody shoot me if I mention politics again.

[stilltrucking]

shit

I can't leave it there Hester.

It sounds so phalo-centric of me.

That smirky smile of clinton's annoyed me. He says he has come clean about it (was that a pun ) That he felt sorry for doing it just because he could.

Jimmy Carter may have been one of our worst presidents but his heart was true. I can't even remember his wife's name Jocelyn?

Have I ever told you about my three scarlet letters?

Ok that's it
done.
really
done.

[mtmynd]

Both Carter and Clinton used dialogue. Bush is incapable. Maybe Bush is our worst president. Much of the rest of the world seems to think so.

Have you read the full transcript of Chavez' speech to the U.N.? Our media concentrated on his devil remark and left it there. They're good at doing that. Ever read a transcript of Castro's speeches at the U.N.? The media avoids him, too. These men aren't in their positions solely because they're stupid.

[stilltrucking]

No have not read it, I will try to find it.

Speaking of the media``

Did you read Michael's latest sound off about this?

Threat Against Olbermann Exposed

Vietnam was our longest war uptil now. That lasted twenty seven years. Now they are talking generations with this one. So the bottom line for me sounds like this:

Yes it was a bad idea, yes they lied, yes they got everything wrong, yes in has increased the threat, but but but but

Now that we are in the shit we can't back out now.

Hell I don't know Cecil I am full of politcal opinions, well I am full of something. I hardly have enough Orifices to express all my opinions.

[stilltrucking]

I just remembered another history I liked --Tacitus

"They make a wilderness and call it peace" From memory