1955 article - Ladies, check this out! OMG!

[Doreen Peri]

I'm crackin' up laughing... but I'm not laughing! How sad is this?

click the image for a larger view so you can read this nonsense!

Comments?

[stilltrucking]

I am no gentleman and fools rush in but I got to ask.

What is different now? Do girls not want to be polyester brides anymore?

[Doreen Peri]

oh fuck

my son said the same thing almost... he said, "it's sad, yeah, but it's pretty much the same way now"


ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!


I am wayyyyy disturbed by both of your responses.

You're KIDDING, right?

I should move this to the Humor board?



I can't believe you both answered that way.

And that's 2 outa 2 who have replied.

......

Where AM I?

This is the Twilight Zone?

......

Life needs a new screenwriter.

It CAN'T be so?

"What's different now?"....



This is the "Stilltruckin' Comedy Hour"?

i need a drink..

lol

[stilltrucking]

I am serious as a fart in a space suit. I see these girls that want to get married. They have it all planned it seems, all they need is a little statue of a groom to put on the wedding cake.

Spiderwoman told me that a woman can make a man do anything she wants him to. At what cost to herself I used to wonder?

[Doreen Peri]

I'm about to have to shake myself HARD until I wake up.

YOu're saying that these ladies or girls who want to get married want a so-called relationship where their entire purpose of being is to please a man, act like his slave, treat him like a cartoon and lose their humanness by belittling themselves in order to cater to his every whim?

What CENTURY is this?

Frankly, I couldn't even BELIEVE this article was published in the 1950's in a REAL magazine!!!!

I've NEVER known a woman like this!!!!

Who wrote this CRAP?

What type of arrogant self-serving asshole thought that his MALENESS was so frigging important that there would be such a FOOL of a woman on this planet?

I was crushed to read that in the 1950's such ridiculous garbage was being published but NOW? It's the 21st century, for crissake and you truly BELIEVE there are women out there who would even read this nonsense seriously!

You think this is how it is NOW? or EVER? or???

i am sitting here wondering why I'm bothering asking you these questions. You're probably fucking with my head, right?

Because this article sets the human race, relationships, the sexes... back at LEAST a century!!!!

at least!

You're joking with me, right?

Tell me I'm being foolish 'cause you're calling me with a bluff!

lol!!!!

[mnaz]

Uhh, no, not really, ST....

I'd say it's not "pretty much the same"....

I mean yeah, women still want to get married and all, and yes, some women still stake too much of their own identity in landing a certain type of man, but seriously.... did you read that thing?.... a guide to perpetual indentured servitude.... how to be a domestic robot, devoid of any human individuality and partnership.... I guess we have made some progress in 50 years....

[stilltrucking]

I am sure there has been progress, I was just asking what is difference in marriage. I hear a lot of talk from the Christian Right about a man is boss of the woman and stuff like that.

I can think of one difference. In 1956 it was very cheap to get auto insurance for a teen age daughter compared to a son. Now the rates are about the same for a boy or girl. Does that mean girls have become just as much risk takers as boys when it comes to driving?

More jobs formerly exclusive male jobs are open to women, that is progress. Birth control, reproductive rights, that is all better for the time being. More women in college than men these days, that must be good. Yeah I can think of a lot of changes, but has marriage changed that much? Does a woman still have two jobs. Housekeeping and working for a living?


I am asking a question. Glad doreen got such a kick out of it. Truly.

[Doreen Peri]

Uhh, no, not really, ST....

I'd say it's not "pretty much the same"....

I mean yeah, women still want to get married and all, and yes, some women still stake too much of their own identity in landing a certain type of man, but seriously.... did you read that thing?.... a guide to perpetual indentured servitude.... how to be a domestic robot, devoid of any human individuality and partnership.... I guess we have made some progress in 50 years....

"landing a certain type of man" ... bolded by me

Just wanted to emphasize that phrase, mnaz...

No offense or anything but I think that's an odd way of putting it. Why would a woman want to "land" a certain type of man any more than a man would want to "land" a certain type of woman?

Does a man give up some of his identity in order to "land" the woman who is beautiful, accomplished, smart, successful, charming, talented, wealthy?

I don't think so.

Why would a woman want to give up any of her identity in order to "land" a man who is handsome, accomplished. smart, successful, charming, talented, wealthy?

She wouldn't. *shrug*... Why? Because there's no need to AND it would be demeaning to her to sell out like that just like it would be demeaning to a man to sell out like that.

As I said.. what century is this?

I'm so glad you see that there has been progress during the past 50 years but yanno what?

I posted this article because I couldn't believe it was published since I truly believe that there were NO women, not only in this country, but in this WORLD who EVER believed like this!

This is pure propaganda written by a man who thought at the time that he could manipulate his rank as an executive on staff for a magazine to take the truth about relationships and publish his fantasy.

Out of this nonsense was born "The Stepford Wives" where some smart filmmaker at least had the balls to show what a ridiculous concept turning women into robots really is.

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truckin'...

The "Christian Right" doesn't support slavery for women.

Their concept puts the man as "the head of the house as Christ is the head of the church." I studied this for a very long time. The concept is an organizational concept. It puts women up on a pedastal because she is the "bride" as the church is the "bride of Christ." She is worshipped, not enslaved.

Now, I don't believe in this concept since I believe both partners are equal but it's definitely not about male domination. Their belief is more about valuing a female to the point of worshipping her since the analogy of the "bride of Christ" (being the Church itself) is often used.

I'm sure many misinterpret the concepts, however. There are also those who strap bombs to their backs in the name of God. There are a lotta nuts in this world.

About auto insurance...

It STILL is much more expensive to buy auto insurance for a boy under the age of 25 than it is for a girl under the age of 25. It always will be, probably. Nothing has changed. Beause testosterone hasn't changed and it won't. Young men are higher risks because they take more risks. Statistics prove they get into more accidents.

The job market is improved vastly, yes, but there's still a glass ceiling. A male who holds the same position as me can make double what I make but most of the time makes at least 1-1/2 times what I make. Why? I donno. It's not right. I think the standard was set when decisions were made about "investing" in a woman who "might" quit on you to go have a family. That's my guess.

But what about women my age? I've already had my family. No more babies coming my way except grand babys like my baby grand.

More women aren't in college than men are, as far as I know and men should take more responsibility for birth control. Why should a woman be the one responsible?

And yeah, a woman still has at least two jobs. Honestly, I have at least 3. Make that 4 if you want to consider my "real" work (this website and my art endeavors). The other 3 are my job that pays me, taking care of the house and kids, and doing the yardwork & finances. I don't do household maintenance work, though. I can't do it. I'm too tired.

Greet a man at the door with a cocktail and make sure the kids are quiet so he can think after his long day? Hell. Forget about it.

I tell you what! I'll greet him in the bedroom if he'll help me cook, clean, take care of the kids and allow them to sing LOUD if they want!

And we both should greet each other with a cocktail.


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I typed this straight into the box. No edits.

I rambled.. sorry. Had a lot to say.

[mnaz]

"landing a certain type of man" ... bolded by me

Just wanted to emphasize that phrase, mnaz...

No offense or anything but I think that's an odd way of putting it. Why would a woman want to "land" a certain type of man any more than a man would want to "land" a certain type of woman?

If one puts "landing" anything above their own human identity, or if they make their identity conditional upon this "landing", then it amounts to "selling out"-- placing preprogrammed, short-lived material obsession over deeper human concerns of "spiritual" sustenance and growth.

Does a man give up some of his identity in order to "land" the woman who is beautiful, accomplished, smart, successful, charming, talented, wealthy?

I don't think so.

.

Why do you say this? It's possible that a man could "sell out" his identity for some worldly pursuit or prize as much as a woman, I imagine.

[stilltrucking]

More women aren't in college than men are, as far as I know and men should take more responsibility for birth control. Why should a woman be the one responsible?

Why becouse men head the pharmaceutical companies, they control congress, that is why. I would bet you a dollar to a donut that there are more women then men in college. Maybe it was more women in graduate school then men. too pooped to google

Yeah the magazine article was a peckerhead fantascy just like Men Are From Mars Women from venus.

I know nothing about marriage, except for what I have seen around me. I have never been married myself. I was engaged for about five years, my fault, you know as many times I broke my mother's heart she only broke mine twice. Once when I was twenty two, and again at 33.

I just witnessed a teen age marriage and divorce. I really like that Liz Pharr song, not sure I get it but I had a crush on the college senior who gave me that CD.

Yep I let this one scroll too.

I may have aspergers syndrome, but I am sure I am a hypochondriac

No man ever more stupid about women then me. It took me a long time to convince Abstroint of that. (big smile)

[Doreen Peri]

mnaz...

Yes, that's what I meant. That men do it too. Sorry I didn't state it in a way that it could be understood. I'm a lousy writer sometimes. I really am.



I'm just wondering why it's approached as a given that women do it and yet you say you suppose it *could* happen for a man to do it, maybe. Yanno? I don't understand. It happens all the time for both sexes? There's equal selling out.

[stilltrucking]

it is a sell out to the meat

it all ways comes down to the flow of power between the groom and bride

Don't get no more lousy writer than me, but I aspire, persist and perspire trying.

I am speaking of the economic basis of marriage, which is what I think the article was about, I could not read much of it but I remember when homeboy went into the air force they gave his wife a book on being a good air force wife. Sounded pretty similar to the article. This late fifties or eary sixties.

No sense me trying to say anymore. Obviously I am clueless. I just don't get the joke.

Fifties was a cool time to be a kid, or so it seemed, but maybe not for girls, the Bell Jar is nothing if not a novel of a woman's place in america during the fifties.

Ted and Sylvia
Now there is a marriage that interests me strangely. Like a Greek Tradgedy, she goes for the one man who she could not control and he turns out to be Agemenon. But his daughter loved him deeply.

[Doreen Peri]

I was calling myself a lousy writer because my sarcasm didn't come through. Maybe I shoulda used an emoticon.

[stilltrucking]

I was calling myself a lousy writer cause I am. But I am working on getting better I hope.

I don't get it Doreen. Marriage I mean. It seems to work great for some people, for others it don't work at all. My sister the raging feminist at 15 saying she never wanted to be under any man's thumb. Now that is where she has put herself. I ramble, that has nothing to do with this.

I am glad my stupidity amuses you. No sarcasm, I mean I am glad it does some good.

[Doreen Peri]

I haven't been amused at all, really. And I don't think you're stupid, either.

I don't understand marriage either, jack. It never worked for me. And I don't think it ever could. Not that I don't believe in the fact that it's a "good" instution for some people. I just don't get it for me.

No, I haven't been amused. I've been bigtime surprised... make that shocked... that anybody could reply to this article even suggesting that nothing much has changed.

As I said, I was appalled to see the article to begin with. I had no idea people promoted an effort to force women to be non-human subservients to men's whims.

Sure, I knew there was bigotry against women (and still is... that hasn't changed a whole lot since we are considered by some to be "less" then men... less intelligent, less talented, less important).

We are definitely less powerful. I'll go along with that.

But I just can't believe that in the 21st century anybody could read this article and reply that "nothing much has changed."

I'm shaking my head.

That's very sad, jack....

I'm so sorry you feel that way.

I mean... jesus.... does this article represent the ideal women's role to you? If not, WHERE has "nothing much changed"? To whom?