1955 article - Ladies, check this out! OMG!

[stilltrucking]

I did not mean to say nothing has changed. I was asking what has changed? A question not a statement. You know I am pretty out of touch.

Yes there are more women in college than men.

USATODAY.com - College gender gap widens: 57% are womenLast year, the school admitted more women than men, but it admitted a greater ... if any, the gender composition of a college has on men and women. ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/ ... over_x.htm - 65k - Cached - Similar pages

"she is waiting on tables
waiting for the tables to turn"
Anne Romain, song about a waitress in Nashville TN.

So many cultrual differences in marriage, it is still pretty macho still in Tejas.

Macho Man From Taco Land, Gary P Nunn
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/mus ... camole.htm

Maybe women never believed that crap in the article, I don't know.

I watched a commercail for a Pizza restaurant, it was interesting how they portrayed the family, dad is just another big kid. Super mom is in charge.

I just don't know Doreen
I should probably have not made any comment to your post. Have you ever read The Awakening by Kate Chopin?

Too bad I had hoped I had amused you.
I remember having a conversation with a friend once and she said she could not believe I was that stupid. I made a believer out of her. She tried to give me good advice but I was too stupid to hear it.

wandering off topic sorry

[Arcadia]

I remember that kind of booklets in my grandmother's kitchen's drawers. Yellow/brown pages, full of graphic publicity, with some cook recetas and full of formulas and advices related with beauty (how to have a more terse skin, how to wash your hair...), social behaviour (how long do you have to wear luto, how to distribute the napkins, forks and knives in the table), house economic tricks (how to get off manchas from ropas, how to make a new soap with little old pieces..), etc... I don't remember the decalogo of the good wife, but maybe it was there too!. I guess the booklets I am refering to are from the late thirties or early forties. I used to read them (I used to read almost everything that was in camino..) and I found them funny.
You can see the same format but with new tecnology in some nowadays women' magazines.

[jimboloco]

My wife had a lot of bad tapes from her first marraige
and maybe also from her family of origin and ancestors, but her family of origin at least had good times and were so conventional that they'd have the priests over for drinks and smokes

the sisters stayed in the convent

Her first marraige was into the church of christ
where the women never spoke at the gathered worshit services
no that was not a typo
the women had their seperatte meetings
but he general meetings were always led by the men

her bad tapes included
"whenever anything goes wrong, it's my fault!"
and
"i always make everything bad for everyone else"
and
"you won't let me do this" (or that)
to which i have to remind her that is not the case

she has gotten over the first tapes
after some therapy and growth

now i gotta go vaccuummm
it sucks

and i bet that good housekeepiong today loves laura bush
and has articles on how to have better sex

but i appreciate that article
my mom has to see this one

[Arcadia]

oh... entonces... where is democracy?

See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contr ... 11-17.html

[hester_prynne]

I hate to tell you this Doreen but I don't see that it's changed much either. I mean it's not as blatent as this article, but this servitude to the male and the preference for male children still really exists in the majority I think. I know many women who give up their identities and dreams just to have that "man" there to serve. They still believe this is the woman's golden place. I mean look at the first lady! There are stark shades of her in this article, and she is the first lady, the presumed "example" of American women today!!!!!
Of course in my opinion she's a creep with a creepy husband whose bidding she is willingly doing under the guise of "love"? Honor? S'cuse me while I puke.

I've accepted the fact too, at this point, that if a women friend of mine has a boyfriend I must automatically put myself in a position of always being reschedulable due to the whim of her "man". He will come first before premade plans with me. I hate this of course, but find it quite common. I accept it because I really like my friends, and am willing to accept them warts and all. Of couse they know I feel this way and that I'm accepting it as their weakness and flaw, not mine. It's out in the open how I feel about it. But I can't stop it. It's not worth burning bridges over. There's not enough opposition to it, maybe there never will be. I just thank my lucky stars I've progressed beyond that old obsolete insecurity. Yuk.

Women have come a long way, but they've got a lot further to go.
This article is embarrassing, for both men and women.
Really embarrassing.

But we sleep on.
Shame on us all!!!!!


H

[jimboloco]

Well, of course, the man should give priority to the woman at times too

We suspend our esthetic and ethical criteria to please and to seduce to that eye of male that looks, he admires, he examines, he stops in the failure, he compares, he decides. That "they been casting" not hard a lot, clear: only until is chosen, and al little time a begins to perceive that had not been so badly to have remained eliminated.

from the pagina posting

A lot of times, women like to doll up for each other

[abcrystcats]

Excuse me for resurrecting this, but I wanted to throw my two cents in ....

I don't see what's so shocking about the article, considering when it was written. Look at any time prior to 1955 and you'll easily find similar unenlightened advice. It isn't so long ago when women were chattel, property.

The article outlines useful survival techniques for dealing with an economically unbalanced relationship.

As for today, it's true -- some women do these things today. Mostly, I think that behavior is based in emotional insecurity. Also values -- some people believe in holding a relationship together no matter what the cost to self.

I am past caring. Let others do what they do. I will do what I do. So many people I know lead others-centered lives. I think it must be very exhausting for them. I know it would be for me. You don't necessarily have to be self-centered, but you do have to have a base of self-respect and identity. That goes for both sexes.

It's fortunate that women are no longer directed into the dependent pathways outlined in the article. If they choose them anyways, it's up to them and they have nobody to blame but themselves for the unhappiness (or happiness) that results.

What's interesting for me is to see how the dependent mentality translates into female workplace behavior. The supervisor next to me -- a career woman -- willingly works 12 hour days. I was told she does work for her employees so they don't have to do it themselves! She has bags under her eyes and her health is suffering, but she still gives, gives, gives.

And that leads me off another tangent -- I have to ask how much of the male/female cultural rhetoric that was prevalent in the 1950s and before has gotten transposed into the modern corporate culture? I wish I had this "partnership" document from work to show you. Some of the suggestions for a "partnership" between employee and employer sound suspiciously like the advice given in Doreen's 1955 article.

Whoever has the economic power makes the rules ....