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Post by whimsicaldeb » December 13th, 2006, 2:17 pm

This is crap! The only people this bill helps are the criminals: sexual predators and crooked politicians equally. The internet has done more to catch these cockroaches - bring their means and ways to light; then help them continue. Now they want to take it all away.

"Slippery Slope" indeed ...
Senator : Illegal images must be reported
update John McCain proposes law to force Web sites to report unlawful activity and delete posts by sex offenders.

By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: December 8, 2006, 6:40 PM PST
Last modified: December 11, 2006, 3:25 PM PST

update Millions of commercial Web sites and personal blogs would be required to report illegal images or videos posted by their users or pay fines of up to $300,000, if a new proposal in the U.S. Senate came into law.

The legislation, drafted by Sen. John McCain and obtained by CNET News.com, would also require Web sites that offer user profiles to delete pages posted by sex offenders.

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After child pornography or some forms of "obscenity" are found and reported, the Web site must retain any "information relating to the facts or circumstances" of the incident for at least six months. Webmasters would be immune from civil and criminal liability if they followed the specified procedures exactly.

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"I am concerned that there is a slippery slope here," said Kevin Bankston, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "Once you start creating categories of industries that must report suspicious or criminal behavior, when does that stop?"

According to the proposed legislation, these types of individuals or businesses would be required to file reports: any Web site with a message board; any chat room; any social-networking site; any e-mail service; any instant-messaging service; any Internet content hosting service; any domain name registration service; any Internet search service; any electronic communication service; and any image or video-sharing service.
Who gets to decide what's obscene? What could be called obscene in North Dakota wouldn't even cause a blip in California. In addition, the internet has HELPED catch sexual predators - quicker - as well as helping education our children on what to watch out for.

And what about the forms you'd need to fill out just to keep your website and board and blog. Red-tapped messes - like IRS income tax forms, I'd bet. Get you so frustrated you'll quit fromt he stress.

This is crap!

Censorship ... plain & simple.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 13th, 2006, 4:49 pm

The Manchurian Candidate, some times I wonder about him.

I don;t know what the answer is.

I think theft of childhood is as obscene as it gets.

Sexual predators on children, as far as I am concerned they would make good organ donors.

They say there is no cure, no healing them. Maybe somebody should wack them up sides the head with a crow bar, kind of an attitude adjustment. Electro convulsive shock treatment, a mega dose of that drug they were experimenting with at Johns Hopkins Medical School. Before the congress of the united snakes stepped in and band it. God save us from these protectors/improvers of man kind.

I would like to keep this miracle called the world wide web as free as possible. I think we can police it as well as Congress. If they let corporations do their own self regulation why not cyber citizens of the world.

Children as commercial sex objects to be bought and sold, that's obscene I say.

Organ donors.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 14th, 2006, 10:39 am

Harper's Mag November 2006, Children of The Revolution. Subtitled THe sexual revolution hits junior high

issue not available online below is some random quotes I had to type in

please pardon typos


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to refer to those who are 'persons barely eligible to vote' and
furnish our gossip -- with their tumultuously flings, bootleg sex videos, and accidental breast exposures on the red carpet. They are broadcast, examined, emulated, desired. These 'sex children' are repositories of fresh sexuality, not, say, of intellect or even beauty. As their age goes up to seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen, the culture quickly awards them its highest sexual adulation. Yet as their age goes down from some indefinate point, to sixteen, fifteen, fourteen, and so on, the sexual appeal of childhood quickly reaches out culture's zone of absolute evil.


We examine children sexually with magnifying glasses to make sure they don’t appeal to us and we hunt down those who can’t make such distinctions. Worse than the murdrer, worse than the person who physically and emotionally abuses children, is the one who sexually tampers with a child in any degree---who can then never be reintegrated into society except as a sex offinder. This the pedophile. Since the two zones ---maximum value of sex, and maximum evil for sex---are right next to each other, shouldn’t we wonder if there’s some relation between our super-good and absolute evil?

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Post by mtmynd » December 14th, 2006, 1:27 pm

Although we lump pedophiles into any adult who is sexually attracted to anyone not legally an adult (which varies from state to state), that word itself (pedophile) by definition is -

pedophile: an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children (prepubescent).

There are adults, including some female teachers, that have had sexual relations with 13-14+ olds. These adults, by definition, fall into a rather unknown word category -

ephebophile: an adult who is attracted to youths who are post-pubescent.

Whether this type of behavior should hold the same unlawfulness as a strict pedophile is something our laws and culture have not really debated... mostly because of our use of that dreaded word. pedophile, has become all-conclusive.

The reason we refer to teenagers as post-pubescent is because their sexuality is 'in blosssom,' so to speak. Females are able to get pregnant due to their metabolism... the boys experience biological changes that tweak their curiosity beyond simple wonderment, i.e. both genders have been physically awakened by their sexuality.

By law (again, according to state), anyone over, say, 18 years of age that would have sexual relations with a 15 year old would be proven to be, by law's definition, a 'pedophile; which is not quite the case.

Regarding ephebophiles, (ef-FEE-bo-files), this could be a passing interest in most any adult, given the fact that anyone could be attracted to someone of that age. The responsibility of anyone post-pubescent would be that of mutual consent, which is the only condition which could be said to be valid. (But there one could run into sticky problems, legally).

The pedophile on the other hand, (by strict definition), is someone who definitely has major sexual problems, we should all agree on that (unless your a pedophile). It is an act of rape - non-consensual (if only thru coercion) and detrimental to the child on many levels other than physical, i.e., mental and spiritual (if you believe in that word). A pre-pubescent body, (a period of two years immediately prior to the onset of puberty when growth and changes leading to sexual maturity occur), is not yet ready for contact sexuality, especially with an adult (forgiving of same age peer curiosity).

It's been found that pedophiles themselves have been abused as children. Even though, historically this has been going on, when your dealing with a world population of 6,000,000,000 plus people, even a small percentage makes for millions of children falling prey to the pedophile. It takes more than one nation to alleviate to any degree the heinous act of these individuals. But what the answer to this age-old practice is, is baffling to me. John McCain's answer will only force pedophiles into more secrecy than they have now, I fear.

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Post by whimsicaldeb » December 14th, 2006, 7:32 pm

Opps... my bad! Forgot to put the linkback to the entire article. Here it is:
Senator: Illegal images must be reported
mtmynd wrote: wrote good stuff and ended with this:

It's been found that pedophiles themselves have been abused as children. Even though, historically this has been going on, when your dealing with a world population of 6,000,000,000 plus people, even a small percentage makes for millions of children falling prey to the pedophile. It takes more than one nation to alleviate to any degree the heinous act of these individuals. But what the answer to this age-old practice is, is baffling to me. John McCain's answer will only force pedophiles into more secrecy than they have now, I fear.

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Back into secrecy again is where this will lead. If this passes, it moves things backward, into the dark again ... not into the light. To stop pedophiles for good, pedophiles have to stop being made - which means we need to stop adults before they do this to children.

Having them take the risks of exposure and being caught from prowling around on the internet is doing exactly that. Do a google search sometime on sting operations on child predators and see how many newspaper articles from all over this country pop up concerning law enforcement officials have caught these criminals via using the internet. Way more then ever before. Way more than will ever be seen again if this passes.

In addition - parents and children alike are becoming more aware of what to watch out for and why thanks to shows like NBC "Dateline"'s hit "To Catch a Predator":
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/10254349/detail.html
(as an example)

And McCain wants to send us all back to the dark ages “…for our children's safety.”

He's full of shit!

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Post by mtmynd » December 15th, 2006, 3:13 pm

Deb: "And McCain wants to send us all back to the dark ages “…for our children's safety. He's full of shit!"

Yes, I agree. I used to have respect for that man, despite our political differences in parties, but he has become such a fucking slug... I have no respect left for him after hearing him talk within the past year or two. He has become just another politician that cares only about his political future over all else. Too bad.

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Post by whimsicaldeb » December 16th, 2006, 1:10 am

mtmynd wrote:Deb: "And McCain wants to send us all back to the dark ages “…for our children's safety. He's full of shit!"

Yes, I agree. I used to have respect for that man, despite our political differences in parties, but he has become such a fucking slug... I have no respect left for him after hearing him talk within the past year or two. He has become just another politician that cares only about his political future over all else. Too bad.
Cecil, you are 100% correct. Their political careers are the reasons why they are pushing now for bans and controls over the internet; they don’t want to become the next George Allen. They saw and felt the power of genuinely free expressions …. They saw the power of what one single video can do … and this is what they really want to stop:
Salon Person of the Year: S.R. Sidarth
The Virginia native and son of Indian immigrants changed history with a camcorder and introduced Sen. George Allen -- and the rest of us -- to the real America.

By Michael Scherer
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/20 ... index.html

Dec. 16, 2006 | Sometimes, for just a moment, nothing makes sense. The senator who would be president stands on the dais. It is a bright summer day. The branches of trees, still green, sway gently in the breeze. Republican George Allen is feeling good, and the crowd likes him. Almost everyone thinks he will win reelection. Then he says something. "Let's give a welcome to macaca here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." No one knows what has happened.

But the confusion does not last long. Over the next week, people consult dictionaries in several languages. They find that the word "macaca" is a term for monkey, used in some places around the world as a racial epithet. At first, the senator recoils from the claims of insensitivity, refusing to apologize. Then he apologizes hesitantly, then profusely. At first, the senator's advisors say the word was a nickname for a mohawk haircut. Then they say the word meant nothing at all.


As days stretch into weeks, a video of that moment, with the senator onstage, spreads over the Internet like a sickness, entering popular culture and political history. Months later in the fall, when the votes are counted, it becomes clear that a successful politician has stumbled badly over a 20-year-old with a camcorder. The career of George Allen, the former front-runner for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, is in shambles. And when he finally concedes defeat two days after the 2006 election, he has not only lost a seat that was considered safe but also handed Democrats control of the Senate, completing their takeover of both houses of Congress.

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This law he’s trying to get passed has nothing to do with sexual predators and protecting our kids, it’s all about protecting themselves and their careers – stopping this type of freedom of expression where people exposes themselves as they really are - stopping the chance of their own exposures.

That's what he's really after, his own protection - not 'our kids.'

And yet the disguises they are using continue to wear thinner and thinner every time they use it. “You can’t fool all the people all the time” (Abe Lincoln)

The last thing Michael Scherer writes in this article is this …
Macaca and all the missteps that followed helped convince voters in these affluent, well-educated and increasingly diverse zip codes outside Washington that they had grown tired of George Allen. But the same voters may also have recognized Sidarth, born and raised in northern Virginia, a straight-A student at a state college and a member of the local Hindu temple, as their neighbor. Allen was just a California transplant with dip and cowboy boots who had glommed on to the ancient racial quirks of his adopted home. Sidarth was the kid next door. He, not Allen, was the real Virginian. He was proof that every hour his native commonwealth drifts further from the orbit of the GOP's solid South and toward a day when Allen's act will be a tacky antique. Allen was the past, Sidarth is the wired, diverse future -- of Virginia, the political process and the country.
He’s accurate, Cecil … The people are tired of this crap; tired of these old ways of doing things; they see that people like Allen and his ways really are the past, not what they want … and that people like Sidarth and the rest who do things these new ways - their own kids and grandkids - are the future.

When people actually get to see and hear what happens, not just read about it in print – the truth of the of their intention of the moment are obvious and no amount of spinning can change it once it’s been seen and heard. And that’s what McCain and the others are trying to prevent - not sexual predators. He's not working to protect ‘our kids’ –– but as you say, to protect his own and others like him political careers.

And people are able to see this, and are tired of it all.

It’s sad (for them) really - but it is of their own doing.

The idea of leaving behind their old ways is given to them daily, but they choose to ignore it. The facts that others have already left it behind, long since left it behind is in their face daily, but they ignor that as well. The baton that they think was just recently passed actually passed a long while back … but only now are the effects beginning to be felt by those like Allen; and they scared – and what do they do when they're sacred ... they same crap that put them in this mess in the first place.

ummmm...

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“… every hour (America) drifts further from the orbit of the GOP's solid South (old ways/views) and toward a day when Allen's act will be a tacky antique. Allen (is) the past, Sidarth is the wired, diverse future -- of Virginia, the political process and the country.

Yes it is.

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Post by Dave The Dov » December 16th, 2006, 11:29 am

Senator John McCain proof that he really does know how to stand aside from all of it and call himself a "maverick." Sorry Senator but you're in the same boat with all the other rats and you'll go down with the ship with all of them as well.
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Post by jimboloco » December 17th, 2006, 3:24 pm

whimzy ya looks good in red with wings
oops!
we ain't got no preverts here
but as long as we are nice and considerate
self policing and all, why i can say that
mccain can kiss his own ass as far as i can tell
still
he is on the horizon
and wants to be the next dumbass prez.
i for one helped him to come home from pow prizon in hanoi
when i got home from nam,
(my college afrotc amigo was there too,
spoke with him at breakfast at the occiferz mess in cam ranh bay,
he said "I want to get into the action,"
got shot down in his OV 10 Bronco over the trail on his second mission)
tho he would be unwilling to say thanks.
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