Out of Iraq

[e_dog]

And into Iran!

Just kidding.

[stilltrucking]

Too tired to vote tonight. I will vote tomorrow, but interesting poll questions.Going to sleep on it.

My gut reaction is just lets get the fuck out. I don't see how it can be any worse. I don't see what choice we have.

I don't see us getting out before 2009, Bush has to cover his ass so they can blame the fiasco on the democrats.

You to young to remember "Who Lost China?" I suppose.



Here is another possible poll question, Lets nuke the ungrateful bastards. just joking. but I have actually heard someone say that.

[bohonato]

Lets nuke the ungrateful bastards. just joking. but I have actually heard someone say that.

I've heard that too. But then again, that same person thought that nuking New Orleans after Katrina was a good idea too.

[stilltrucking]

okay I voted


If I was going to think like a machine playing war, as if I was Deep Thought playing chess against Bobby Fisher I would vote for saving face and all that bullshit. I have a feeling that is how I would feel if I was in Iraq. I would hate to see all that blood shed for nothing. But then again I think about that John Prine song "we lost davey in the Korean war, still don't know what for" I wish that the grunts had a say in wether we stay or "advance to the rear"
I suppose I sound like one of those yellow oriental races that place no value on human life.


I heard that bit about nuking them from a world war two vet. It was sad, I wondered what he had done in the war? Was he a stateside hero like Ronald Raygunz or George Bush?

But if I was a better Quacker I would vote for advance to the rear, I would vote with my enteric nervous system, not with this bull shit state of vanity I call my rational mind.

*pretty much a spontaneous Go, don't mean nothing

[e_dog]

really? that saving face thing was a lure for nonsense.

you only haveta save face if it is face down into the shitter.

thats where we's lookin' now in 'raq.

down the toylet w/hole.

Bush can talk all he likes. we aint done nothin but totally fuck up a country an' we gonna continue do jus that.

[stilltrucking]

non sense Speaking of

this non sense, maybe zen sense that sits here and types out of this consciousness that I jokingly call my rational mind, these words, your words. I would say yes saving face, dignity-> yes. Just to play the devil’s advocate, a what if chess game. What ever you meant by the question, whatever I meant by my answer. Just machine talk, cause I am so rational. Just to entertain two contradictory beliefs at the same time.

I am one of those oriental people who don’t place much value on human life. That was common knowledge among us great unwashed during the fifties. I think the Chinese rote the book on war.

I wish the grunts had the final say, I should have voted for advance to the rear, if I got to vote on what to do for real, that is how I would have voted. From my Quacker conscience.

Sorry for the ramble e-dog, I been wacked out on the bitter herbs of exile melancholy wandering lately. I hope you are having a good friday

[jimboloco]

out of iraq
let the neighbors help them with security
iran and syria

[stilltrucking]

I ain't going to study war no mo
but I used to
I been living through every one since 1940
and in the fifties the marines did not retreat from that resovoir in korea
"they advanced to the rear."

only had one buddy back in the fifties that joined the marines.
the coolest hand in our school, varsity lacrosse player, sanest person I knew, a natural leader.

no shame in advancing to the rear.
no loss of face

just a crazy four f hippie jimbo, you know I am certified
but I suppose I have to spin it that way. We took a long time and we still trying to make ammends for vietnam, I hope we can learn something from it if nothing else.

hey
did I tell you I was kicked out of the sanato quacker meeting for speaking too much truth to power, I knnew I should have got stoned before I went.

[stilltrucking]

I never realized what a difference there is between meetings. Nashville such a small meeting ten fifteen people sitting around on folding metal chairs waiting on the spirit.

I only been to san antonio meeting three times, the last time I did not recognize the place. They had moved from the old small meeting house to a huge new one. That's good, more power to them. Maybe I can only ever belong to one meeting, I am sure the clerk had his reasons. It was a very peaceful Quakerish disagreement, Quakers been good to me jim I got no complaint. I am sure it was all for the best.

I am going to join the Religious Society of Ducks, be a Quacker.

qua

Sorry e-dog, I ramble
bad conscience maybe.

[jimboloco]

i am trying to cultivate some sanity
too much confrontation in quaker meeting
too much activity
i like my tai chi class
body first
zen dumb
my next incarnation

[e_dog]

We gotta invade
don't evade,
invade
don't inveigh
or weigh
don't play
like mcveigh
or donald rumsfey
but like dick chen-ey

invade

iraq
on the attack
cut the US some slack
we got tha nack
to preempt and reempt
just don't aks fo' no
post-empt
empty can o oil
will spoil
every iraqi goil
on tha soil

abu ghraib
who let the dogs out?

keroucky-iness
GI Jack in this

[stilltrucking]

I see my little quadrangle before my garden and its three live oak trees as an oasis of green and peaceful order, shelter from the storm in a safe harbor on the lee side of life.

And I think about another small town.

Brook Park, Ohio, a suburb of Cleveland.
The city shot to national attention when at least 19 Marines from the city were killed in combat in Iraq on August 2, 2005 and August 3, 2005. On Friday, August 5, 2005, the city government distributed American flags to every household in the city to display on their windows.
week in 2005.

"No your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore. They are already over crowded from your dirty little war"

Vietnam still a mystery to me, why why why, dirty old white men playing cold war games. And in 1960 I loved JFK, but he was in it too.

At least Iraq I can see what is on the end of their oily fork.

Kerouacky a patriot sure and proud of his old man for shoving that jew around.

Kerouac had nothing but contempt for flag-burners, and one of the many points of contention at his infamous meeting with Ken Kesey (depicted in Tom Wolfe's Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test) was the fact that one of Kesey's Merry Pranksters had draped an American flag ingloriously over a chair. Kerouac quietly folded the flag and handed it to Kesey.

The only man to ever give Timothy Leary a bad trip.
But that sum bitch sure could type.

another rambe
another day
another appology e-dog

[stilltrucking]

as if it was up to me

lets just bug out
who wants to be the last man to die in Iraq?


Orderly Departure Program

[eyelidlessness]

America cares more about Tom and Nicole (I know they broke up, but I can't be bothered to look up the hot couple of the week because I'm lazy) than about the wellbeing of Iraqis. The US will withdraw when Iraqis and sane Americans make the cost of occupation too high to continue, and the US will not and cannot do anything to improve Iraqis' station in life (except to stop making it worse).

We owe Iraqis far more than a stable state, but the US military is incapable of delivering that payment. It is a machine of destruction and mayhem. Even the best intentions can't change that. And the folks running it don't have the best intentions.

The best we can offer, for now, is to stop inciting the conflict by forcing the powers that be to recognize the stalemate and cut their losses as soon as physically possible.

If Americans really cared about Iraqis, they would do not just that, but they would also organize grassroots relief efforts to follow up after the withdrawal, the way a few such relief efforts were organized for New Orleans following Katrina. But Americans largely don't care. The Bush/Clinton/Bush sanctions regime that killed more than 1.5 million Iraqis without even an utterance of protest by Americans is all the proof you need.

If we don't reassess our priorities soon, I'm certain we'll be getting another wake up call like we got in 2001. Somehow I doubt even that would be heeded.

[stilltrucking]

If we don't reassess our priorities soon, I'm certain we'll be getting another wake up call like we got in 2001. Somehow I doubt even that would be heeded.

I don't get you
What wake up call are you talking about?

Do you mean 9/11?

Was that what it was, a wake up call?


"Things ain't never what they seem
when you find you been living in your own dreams"
--Robert Earl Keen