What am I missing here?

[whimsicaldeb]

Jack (!!!!!) .....
~shaking my head~
(what to do with you...)



me & you
we take turns being light to each other's dark

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Imus deserved to be fired.
So does Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and all the rest ...

I hope it happens soon.

[hester_prynne]

Gee. I'm sorry I asked.
I've never heard of the guy so sue me for asking and there is no reason to lecture me.
I've heard alot of the kind of thing he said, and no one gave a crap then.
Now you are hammering me about respect myself? I don't think so missy.
I respect myself even if someone else is stupid enough not to.
Why have two stupids when one is enough usually. This is the question I often wonder about.....
What about all the murdering bush and cheney are continuing to engage us all in? What good do the perspectives on that do? What good have they done for the last 6 years?
You gotta pick your battles honey, and Imus is low on the list as far as I'm concerned and that is my perspective and I don't feel it necessary to go scrounging around for perspectives on him.
You really hurt my feelings with your tone, you might want to get some perspective on that eh?

H

[mnaz]

"Sorry I asked"... indeed, Hest...

Are you kidding me?... Could we all just for once keep it in perspective? Jesus Christ, what the fuck happened to us? We used to stand side by side, and bravely go enlist to fight the Nazis. The Nazi Germany regime was a real threat, and we kicked the shit out of it, only to turn around for the next sixty years and kick the shit outta ourselves... and this is purportedly the land of the "free", no less. Relatively, I suppose. But even that distinction is eroding quickly.

deb, if the word 'ho' insults you to such (apparently) stratospheric levels, then I hereby dare you to also ask why corporate-sponsored war (and its usual attendant secondary, collateral mass killings) do not seem to stir anywhere near the same level of vitriolic protest in you? Fire Imus? Sure. Why the hell not? Fire the bastard. Shit, who gives a flying F what he says anyway? A slip of the mouth. Stupid, or planned... you decide. Meanwhile, the Bush/Cheney violence-a-thon (ill-legit, or quasi, depending on POV), continues on, largely ignored and without comment. This is just goddamned unacceptable. Priorities, people!, I scream.

And please don't lump Imus in with Limbaugh. Limbaugh is quite simply the devil. There is not one honest, compassionate bone in Limbaugh's body, I hereby speculate, whereas the same cannot be so easily be said for Imus. Not even close. Uhh... no.

You know what? I take it all back. I lose. I'm quite obviously an insensitive oppressor, and I really just don't give a fuck about anything meaningful anymore. I lose this argument. Obviously. There. I'm out.

[whimsicaldeb]

Gee. I'm sorry I asked.
I've never heard of the guy so sue me for asking and there is no reason to lecture me.
I've heard alot of the kind of thing he said, and no one gave a crap then. <> Imus is low on the list as far as I'm concerned and that is my perspective and I don't feel it necessary to go scrounging around for perspectives on him.

You don't know anything about the man, or the subject matter, or what he really said or why, plus you aren't really that interested in learning, and you now you say you don't feel he (it) was ever that important anyway ... and yet you start a thread about it all, and then get upset when someone like myself comes by, sees what you're doing and gets upset.

What where you thinking? That talking about things you don't know anything about and have no genuine interest in would make you ... what? ... intelligent? popular? fun? interesting?

Where I come from, people who talk about things they don't know anything about are considered fools (and I don't mean jesters); further, they are not suffered well.

You're right; you should have kept your mouth shut, or spoken only about that which you personally know and understand. But you didn't ... and ... now you've been caught 'with your pants down' (as the saying goes.)

So I'm not surprised at all that your feelings are smarting over this, but I'm not to blame for the way you're feeling, you are. These are your own words and actions that brought my attention to you and what you're doing to question and speak out about; the same Imus's words and actions brought upon him his own consequences.

Gee ~ you two seem to have a lot in common.

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Are you kidding me?... Could we all just for once keep it in perspective? Jesus Christ, what the fuck happened to us? We used to stand side by side, and bravely go enlist to fight the Nazis. The Nazi Germany regime was a real threat, and we kicked the shit out of it, only to turn around for the next sixty years and kick the shit outta ourselves... and this is purportedly the land of the "free", no less. Relatively, I suppose. But even that distinction is eroding quickly.

"We used to stand side by side, and bravely go enlist to fight the Nazis."

???
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Ahhhh (ummmm) .... mnaz ....
It's not me who's lost the perspective here.

I think you might want to take a break, step back and away for a bit. Get some fresh air.

Just a thought.

[stilltrucking]

I read an interesting column in the local news paper today. About a radio station that refused to play gangsta rap back in the nineties. What was relevant was that the columnist said Sharpton has been fighting against the N word and the denigration of women in rap for years.

Which was suprising to me. I heard he appears with rappers who have lyrics like shoot the bitch in the face.

Obviously I am clueless.

I probably would not have even talked about this if no one had posted about it. Now I got jimboloco calling me a racist on another string about this.

That hurts.

I would not put Imus in the same category as Limebaugh either. I have listened to limbaugh for a long time I heard Limbaugh a lot back when he was first getting national attention in the eighties I think. He was local out of Sacremento I am pretty sure. Maybe you heard him back then. I Have not listened to him since the 2000 presidential election.

I suppose I have compassion for Imus cause he is an old fool like me.

Apparently I am wrong about sharpton. If that columnist is correct on her facts.

I think I would be just as outraged as you if a stranger said that to my sister.

I could see some good coming out of this. Another weird factoid I heard, the biggest audience for that kind of rap is young white males.

Which is what Imus was sounding like to me a Wigger. They say he is just a goofy old man who is 'so unhip that it is a wonder his/my buns don/t fall off." ALways trying to look into my own heart WD, before I "type" anyone.

Going to take your advice deb
a little hiatus. I was going to do last monday.

Keep on trucking deb
keep the bugs off your glass
and the bears off your a..
keep the shinny side up
the greasy side down
catch you on the flip flop.





done editing

[hester_prynne]

Deb, your righteousness here is sad. Now you call me a fool? I asked the question because I didn't know and now you're calling me a fool for that and you know what? Coming from you that makes sense. You are like a few bad teachers I've had. Judging peoples motives for why they might ask things instead of answering the question sensitively.

I think you are jealous because I am very cool, open and real and you don't know how to do that, it's out of your comfort zone.
What are you really complaining about here, and projecting on to me.
Can you even go there?
I'd like to help......
H

[mnaz]

Yr. right deb.

I do.

Admittedly, I made an over-rambly post here when I was ultra tired that wandered a bit... but not without some valid sentiments I'd say.

I'm just really surprised by your fierce judgmental attitude. You have a tendency to go into attack mode when making your points, making them quite personal at times. Frankly I think that approach and general tone is unnecessary and puts others on the defensive... unfairly in my opinion. This goes for me or anyone else for that matter.

That's really it. That's why I was so pissed off. Well, that and I do think we're losing our freakin' minds when allow dumbass statements of dumbass shock jocks to dominate so much of our ink and air time and energy while the real issues, well.... you know the drill. I won't beat that dead horse anymore.

Like I said.... 'I concede'..... 'Uncle'...
You win. Have a nice day.

[hester_prynne]

Indeed Mnaz, I was only wondering what the big deal was and I got a big old hammerin lecture from whimsy dee.
I did not deserve that and I expect an apology.
Well.
Maybe not.....
Heh heh
hehster the "fool"
(and not the jester kind either!!!!!!!)
Anyway, I repeat, I respect myself even if someone else is stupid enough not to. Understand Deb?

H

"Self doubt is merely the temporary fallout from walking through resistance.."

[whimsicaldeb]

Yr. right deb.

Yes mnaz, I am right and about a great many things... and that's why hester and others like her really get their knickers twisted whenever I post.

It's always much easier to sidetrack an issue by whining about how you don't like how the information was delivered then to take the time to actually look it over, and then admit to 'someone like me' - you know what Deb, you're right; I didn't know; I was acting/posting stupid; and there is more for me to learn.

The idea that 'teachers' should always mollycoddle their 'students' only serves the continuance of ignorance. There are many versions/layers to the lessons we receive and none of them are ever mistakes, or wrongly given. When we 'wake up' to that fact, we wake up to a great many things.

Disavowing all's that come because you don't approve of the way the information was delivered, or because things haven't arrived for you in a manor that you would 'approved' manor has always been an excellently sneaky way of avoid acknowledging truths you'd rather not have to admit to, or learn; about yourself or the real issues at hand in a situation; and that's why it's used so frequently by those determined to avoid, rather than learn.

What really pisses everyone off is I have the gull as well as the ability to post with accuracy and tenaciousness exactly the things that punch holes in all the self-deluding games that people use to avoid the real issues at hand ... and on top of that ... for this board I have the audacity to willfully ignore the unwritten law that all posters are expected to play 'nice' to each other, no matter what.

ha!

Hester, and others here, have a lot to learn. Furthermore she asked, and now she's received. The rest is up to her, not me. My part's done.

How I choose to deliver the message(s) was up to me; and I did, and it might surprise you (or not) go learn that I'm pleased with my delivery method. Of how I like my strength, my directness. What doesn't surprise me is that how people like hester, and you, and certain others on this board can have problems with me and my directness because I understand and see how it's also part of the process (and the value within it). It's all part of that grand "lesson plan" that's being handed down to her, you, me ... others here.

You'll get it. I've got it. Eventually she will as well. A couple others here are already in the process. And perhaps when that happens my 'horrible' method(s) will no longer be viewed as quite so horrible, shocking, and wrong. Or perhaps not... it really doesn't matter. It's not a problem. ~ or~ If it does for you... then know that it's only a temporary problem. Anyway, I'm not concerned.

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Get some rest mnaz.

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And Hester ... whatever you choose to believe (right or wrong) is what you choose to believe and has nothing to do with me, except in your own mind (way to thinking). That would including 'believing' that 'someone' (anyone) is projecting anything unto you. Fact is; no one can do anything to you against your will. Your will ... not theirs. That means if it's in your life, it's because YOU wanted it there. You worked to make it come to you. When you recognize and accept the power gifted to you in that truth ... you'll never have to face these types of situations again.

If your (wake up and smell the) coffee's bitter - it's not because some is projecting 'their stuff' unto you ... it's because you left your stuff sitting on the back burner for so very long.

[mnaz]

No deb, I still disagree with most of your arguments and your browbeating tactics here. There are indeed such things as firmness and earnest delivery, yes, but then there is also such a thing as being a complete ass. And from where I sit, that's what you continue to do here-- be a complete ass, with personal attacks and the whole bit. I don't think it's worth my time and effort and emotional investment to try and have a reasonable "discussion" in the face of such arrogant attack-dog militance. I think you should step back and take a few deep breaths. Me too, probably. I'm not overly proud of my tired, volatile post from yesterday-- my impatience with this media circus boiled thru, and I went off on some tangents. Yeah, I got it. Yes, you made me think twice about this issue; not that I've substantially changed my mind. Imus is a moron, the statement was idiotic and inappropriate, and the whole damn thing has just been blown way way out of proportion. That's my deal. Sorry if that incenses you so much, but that's it. If there's one thing I can take from this sorry exchange, it's that when I post to a contentious subject like this, I'm well advised to keep it short and focused. Fine. Point noted. And you did make me think again. That's good too. But why such condescending vitriol? What the hell does that accomplish?

[hester_prynne]

Whimsy whimsy wimpsy
there you go, flattering yourself to be a teacher?
You my dear are no teacher.
I'm hearing alot of I'm right or fight from you and it's really ugly.
You in fact, are coming off here like a narcissistic facist bigot know it all and your lessons my dear will come. You are earning them tenfold in this thread.
I'm glad for this thread, it is very enlightening, as many here at studio eight are.
Did you read soozen or mighty mind's comments, look at their perspectives at all? I did. Stupid as his mistake was, he seems alot more generous than sharpton ever dreamed of being. And where is your forgiveness here? I remember you talking more kindly to me once about forgiveness a while back. What happened to that? heh? Like I asked, what are you really mad at and projecting onto Mnaz and I here?
As you mature and get older you will read your posts to this thread, and others, and cringe at your ignorance. At least I hope that happens, I hope that there is that hope for you.
It's funny, how you remind me of both sharpton, and imus.
With a little bush and cheney in the mix.
Best of luck to you! When someone finally kicks you in the butt like you deserve, I hope it doesn't hurt too much dear.
Really, i wish pain on no one.
H

PS It's manner not manor. Manor is a type of house I think.
And I think you mean gall, not gull.

[Doreen Peri]

sometimes the internet totally baffles me.

[mnaz]

Me too. Can't honestly say that I saw this one coming. And if I've offended with my boisterous, determined anti-war, anti-corporate, (or any other type of) comments over the last couple years then that's unfortunate. But I won't be talked down to like in this thread. If deb thinks that in a "debate" she's somehow righteously entitled to basically slur others' character and call them "fools" and such, then she's in error.

And yes, it is time for a break. Jeez. Way past time, apparently.
Wow...

[stilltrucking]

Mnazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yep it's brake time.

[Doreen Peri]

mnaz ... i can't see how you could think you have offended anyone.

Frankly, I didn't read the whole thread... I just got to the part where people started arguing with each other and in my opinion arguing is not debate and I don't think it's a good idea for anybody to call anybody else names.

But you know my opinion on this because I've stated it often.

My post was just to say this...

Do people in real life talk to each other like this?

I think people on the internet are much more likely to say certain things to each other than they would do in person, don't you?

It's because of the anonymity of it or something. I donno what it is. Perhaps this is a topic for another thread.

We all need a break sometimes. As I said to your post about cyber-addicts in the Discussion forum,

spring has sprung,
the grass is riz,
i wonder where the birdies is

hehe... well I didn't say that exactly but I said something like that.

I have physical problems which are the result of years of using a computer for both work and social interaction. When I'm sleeping and sometimes when I'm awake, my pinky goes numb on one hand and my pointer and middle finger go numb on the other. Luckily the numbness goes away eventually as I move around and exercise, etc. One day it may not go away.

Computer usage can be dangerous. I also have pain in the top of my spine sometimes. You really have to be careful about how many hours a day you spend on this machine, ergonomics, etc... and how many years you're here.

It's unnatural.

But back to the topic of how people talk to each other in real life vs how they talk to each other online..... I truly think there's a major difference. If we were all in the same room physically with each other debating a topic such as this, some of these words would have NEVER been said.

I love everybody here. So, just 'cause I was thinking about how much I love everybody here, I put up the LOVE banner for today.

Peace 'n' love to you.... enjoy your break if you decide to take one.

One thing I love about you is how sensitive you are to other people and how much you CARE. I'd love to meet you in person one day.