What am I missing here?

[Doreen Peri]

*doreen peri rises to applaud*

Thank you, SooZ!

[jimboloco]

south of the border down mexico way
ciudad tijuana on a sunday afternoon
park with balloons, kids and strollers,
musicians,
art vendors,
peaceful

at night the cantina
musicians
alive in tijuana

i watched don imus plenty
i always get up early
his bit about what kind of hat montgomery gentry wears
(or somebody)
phoner calls in and says, "white"
an ol don says,
"no. you dummy
they don't wear a hat"
an hangs up

it is interesting how so many folks feel as tho their personal integrity has been querstioned,
or taken for something more shallow
and certainly has spawned flourishing
rococo
and should be so
embellished positive resumees
the one i made before is a bit tawdry
i think it's time to rewrite it.
I keep it at my bedpost
a list po good qualities
good characteristics
to which i might the devil's advocate
a spit of arrogance
surely my ocifer's training
it was kool being a hot shot lieutenant
man i made it with the proletariat
did not play the man's game
instead became
jimbolocorococo
i ain't smirkin
i ain't jerkin nobody's tailbone

Enlightenment is not something you can proclaim...it is an ongoing process on a slippery slope.

my deal with that slipperty slope
it's actual
it's metter of factual
when i was getting out of the air farce
i had a moment of great doubt
5 months into my period of in-service resistance
i realised what i was giving up
it sorely tryed me
i wanted to take it back
so went into the base chapel
thru the back door
found a large bible at the pulpit
opened it to the psalms
it sang about the slippery slopes
and how he almost fell
but was encouraged to carry on,
and so i reaffirmed within myself
within that military chapel
that i was gonna go ahead and get out
and i did
without a doubt.

then i went to guadalajara for the summer
then i hit the street in miami beach

so maybe this subject touches, reverbates,
resonates within us
did i say i watched don imus plenty
peace out

[mtmynd]

Hi, Deb-

Seems as tho Soo and I have missed quite a bit while we've been busy on our pulpits, traveling around the country 'guru-ing' to the masses about our bigotry and racism, not to mention our undying support for our leader, Don Imus.

Seriously tho, Deb, I ask that you explain your statement that Soo & I are racists and bigots due to the fact that we enjoyed (most of the time) the Don Imus show? In case you are unaware of this, if we enjoyed his show your comments would point the finger of racism and bigotry towards anyone who watched/listened to his show, would it not..?

During the times we watched his show Imus had guests such as Aaron Neville, various black athletes (many who were awarded by their profession) and several black musical groups including The Blind Boys of Alabama, and several acts that included black back-up musicians such as Harry Connick, jr. Would any racist ever invite blacks (or any race that he looked down upon) on their shows?

Don Imus also had as welcomed guests people in government including Joe Biden, Joe Liberman (Jewish) and Harold Ford (a black, who he gave complete support to), among many others that respected this man's show and influence to get things done. He had Donald Trump. He had various anchor news people (examples: Charlie Gibson, Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams) and various other news organizations. He had numerous political news reporters and columnists from Newsweek, Time, Washington Times, Washington Post, New York Times... the list is very, very long.

If I 'supported' Don Imus by watching his program, surely the huge list of his invited guests would, (by your definition), also be racists and bigots, would they not? Would you personally attack any of these people that came on his show as being what you have accused me and Soo of? I think not.

If Don Imus were truly a racist would he have picked up a black teenager with cancer from Phoenix and brought him to Atlanta on his jet? If Imus were truly a racist would he and his wife attended the funeral of a black teenager who had died from cancer (one that attended his Ranch for Kids with cancer)? Of course not. Racists would go out of their way to avoid assistance to any race that they hated.

As far as your calling Soo & I 'bigots'... allow me to paste the definition of such:

bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

As you can read, this is actually quite an ambiguous definition, given some serious thought. Are proud, loyal, flag-waving Americans 'bigots' because they are partial to their own nation and intolerant of any nation that may disagree? Are blacks or hispanics, for example, 'bigots' because they may be intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them and their culture?

By loosely using the word, 'bigot' in describing Soo & I, you infer that since we are Texans and live in a 'small town' that we are bigots... that and we enjoyed the Don Imus show. This would seem to me to be an action from "one who is strongly partial to one's own group or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

Deb... Soo & I have refrained from eating any meat from mammals for nearly 20 years. But if we attend a dinner party that serves beef or pork, we don't call the people eating those meats names and stomp out of the party. We respect their differences as we respect their friendship. When Imus said some things that made us uncomfortable, we stayed with the show because that was his part of his 'dinner offering,' something we knew he would do on occasion. We stuck with him for the many other wonderful attributes he had, much as perhaps you stay with your husband or close friends, even tho there may be one thing that really disturbs you within their character.

The Imus Ranch is a very expensive operation. In part it is funded by the Imus Ranch products, including cleaning products that are 100% environmentally green. All his products are sold with 100% of the profits going into the Ranch. There may be some other people/corporations doing that, but I'll bet they could be counted on one hand. Imus's wife, Diedre, is a spokeswoman for autism... spending a great deal of time with the cause, even though neither she nor her husband have an autistic child. With his encouragement, his wife has launched a program of 'greening up' hospitals, even to the point of having one in New Jersey(?) having gone completely green. His wife is also a vegetarian and has Imus himself eating the same way. This in itself is rather unusual as they both are Republicans, but this is in part why I find/found him to be a pretty interesting fellow to tune in to. Despite his grumpy attitude obviously lies a great big and generous heart, a person, and couple that care a great deal about children, about our veterans, our environment and our political future.

Yes, his three words, "nappy-headed ho's,'" got him fired from both MSNBC and CBS... and they were arguably the final straws that broke the proverbial camel's back, but I am most disappointed by the absence of simply knowing there was/is so much good that came from this man. It would be a real shame for all those that could not wait for him to be fired to also know that behind those three words is a man (and his wife and son) that cares deeply about our country, it's politics, it's environment and it's health for it's children. I sometimes sadden at the thought that his wonderful actions mean far less than those three words. But it happened. And I, for one, believe everything happens ultimately for the greater good.

Peace to you, Deb.

Cecil

[whimsicaldeb]

Cecil, Soozen, Read your posts, not surprised by your continued support.

"Anybody who listened to the Imus show, and enjoyed it, were probably bigoted"

~in peace~

[mtmynd]

pretty sad reply, Deb.

goodbye...

[mnaz]

Oh oh OH!!!

All hail Whimsicaldeb, the One True Enlightened One!!

Oh, oh, oh, OHHH!!!

Can I be next on your character assassination list?

Huh?.. Can I?... Can I?

Pleeeeaase???

[hester_prynne]

Gulp.
Helloooooooooooo Soozen, Cecil! So glad to see you both, your really readable and depthful posts were a joy to read.
What a fascinating, place this is. I was thinking that this thread would be an amazing short story or novella....unfortunately, the ending plot totally eludes me right now....

Where do we go from here.
I stand, halfway up a hill,
mossy grasses comfort,
wind textures vary,
face to face,
eye to eye,
little slices,
of ancient
bad dreams,
ingrained as
impossibles,
to forget.
H

[mnaz]

Then again, you know, Imus may have pushed too far when he got deeper and deeper into those racial tags from behind his mic, all high and mighty and in good humor, you understand.

He did suck at times. I'm dead blind if I can't see that side of the argument. Hell, I suck too, only in different ways.

Which is to say, thank you Deb for being such a complete, abusive, caustic sort of asshole. You've opened many eyes.

[stilltrucking]

Yes it is true jimboloco you never know the consequences of these posts. I still remember the time the FBI showed up at the litkick's offices in NYC.



I suppose that is why I don't post anywhere else anymore. I am tolerated here which is a lot for a crazy old fool like me. Still crazy after all these years.

It has been most helpful to me to hear your comments about me on this thread.

Thank you
in the Spirrit of Friendship
jt.

[stilltrucking]

That ain't sarcasm jimbo
I mean it sincerely
most helpful
thank you

If I have any religion left at this late date in my life
it is still Friendship

[jimboloco]

i guess i'm a latent asshole , man

better me than you

don't know what else to say
you a bunch of nappy headed hos
dos deuces an a joker
mnaz you need a trip to the desert
don't like what you wrote at deb the asshole calling
it's just overboard

i admitted i went overboard when i called my buddy jack
a latent rascist
on another thread,

it was supposed to be a critique of the columnist's article
instead it became a ramble about why are we talking about imus
etc
not where i wanted to go

but it was a pulling out of emotion
and then i realised the absurdity of it
the hurt of it
but hey
that's just me



it's something that does not work for me
as i found out

i can't speak for deb
she do get intense
but is she a complete asshole or
partly so

working with jerks
are they complete jerks
or what is it that is jerky
an then what

sometimes it helps to reflect on the emotion that one has conveyed with harsh words
regardless or not if one feels justified

i have fantasies of telling off some folks at work
from time to time
but because of the professional factor
no can do
so i guess we're not professionals here
but i can tell you
the going's getting wierd
so
the weird had better turn pro.

[Doreen Peri]

Cecil, Soozen, Read your posts, not surprised by your continued support.

"Anybody who listened to the Imus show, and enjoyed it, were probably bigoted"

~in peace~

My suggestion was that you use a similar reply rather than have named member names and thrown accusations at people. Perhaps had you said this at first (without saying you thought particular people were bigots, naming them by name, just because they enjoyed a show), the conversation may have not focused on your insults and would have focused on the fact that you think Imus is a bigot and was rightly dismissed.

But since you made this thread much more personal by posting personal attacks about our members who weren't even present to speak to your accusations, then posted this AFTER they finally joined the thread to speak about Imus and list all the evidence that he is not a bigot, essentially dismisses everything they said....

AND continues to call them bigots!

Stop it!

.....

SooZ & Cecil... My apologies that you two have become the brunt of such disrespectful personal attacks. Both of your posts were eloquent. Why am I apologizing? Well, just because I feel bad that it happened here on my site. You two can clearly speak for yourselves and don't need me to come to your defense. I'm just embarrassed. That's all.

[Doreen Peri]

Yes it is true jimboloco you never know the consequences of these posts. I still remember the time the FBI showed up at the litkick's offices in NYC.

There were no litkick's offices in NYC. The mailing address they used was directed to a post office box.

[jimboloco]

now see what doreen did was to address deb's writing behavior in specific terms, about her labeling and re-labeling as bigots anybody who watches iimus, and enjoys the show,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

no name calling an elucidation

is it assenine
or merely na·ïve·té
to think it's worth a laugh
afterall
a laugh was the intended impulse
on the imus comedy show

[Doreen Peri]

A joke is just a joke is just a joke.
Words can be caustic, make you choke.
I've been called worse than asinine and naive.
Better to give than to receive?



Imus may have bad taste in schtick
sometimes his jokes make people sick.
We don't need the votes of a panel
to change the channel.

If he has a fan base, that's great.
Obviously, bad jokes aren't the only thing on his plate.
I was impressed by the list of plusses.
Even if he farts racial slurs and cusses.

Humor is subjective.
Depends on one's objective.
Like Lenny B., maybe he
wants to lighten up the perspective.