Question of the Day - Fit vs Smart

[Doreen Peri]

OK.. I'm still here.. for now... was going to come back to this but I think it's best that I answer both Lightning Rod and eugene now since both have referenced Paris Hilton. Who? I mean come ON! No, dear friends, she is not even close to an example of health and physical fitness.

If you want to use Hawking as an example of a person who has no physical health... who is a prisoner in his own body..... fine.

But if you'd like to use examples of people we know of, in order to be in keeping with the original question, we'd need another example of a well-known person for the physically fit, healthy, yet not too bright person.

[stilltrucking]

doreen said

But if you'd like to use examples of people we know of, in order to be in keeping with the original question, we'd need another example of a well-known person for the physically fit, healthy, yet not too bright person.

I was thinking George W Bush but according to Yale University he has an IQ of 120 which is higher than John Kerry's IQ according to Yale also.

I think this is a reincarnation kind of question. I mean you could be smart and choose to be fit. But not sure if you could choose your IQ. But IQ is just a reification. And there is emotional smartness which I think is much better to have than intellectual smartness. Someone wrote a book about your Emotional IQ.

Not sure if I am begging the question. If I had a choice it would be to be both fit and smart.

But I am choosing to be happy. I think that is the key.

My niece was crying to her mother about how unfair it was that her ex boy friend who dumped her was happy and she was not. Her mother said,he is happy because he chooses to be happy.
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Hawkins has a disease that resulted in his handicap
diabetes is a disease too but in my case it is self inflicted, I could cure myself if I wanted too. But I prefer not too. I am as stupid as Sylvia Plath's father. He was a very smart man who commited suicide by jelly donuts.

[Lightning Rod]

I think you nailed it, truck

happy is best

[eugeneherman]

Gosh Doreen, This is really hard to answer correctly, but i thought there weren't any right or wrong answers. Ahhh... a moot question with moot answers!

[Doreen Peri]

My father was a very smart man.

He died of Lou Gehrig's Disease (aka ALS, Amyotropic Lateral Sclerosis) ... pardon the spelling if I didn't spell it right ... in 1996. He was also a physicist like Hawking. My dad was a brilliant man... like Hawking. But he was smarter in that he decided he wouldn't want to continue living a life when his body gave out and his mind was alert. Believe me, he lived in this condition for quite a while (about a year) but he was NOT willing to prolong the situation to be kept alive by artificial means and have someone wipe his butt. He was smarter than that.

Not to put Hawking down or anything but hey, you have to admit it's a ridiculous position to put yourself in to have someone wipe your ass just so you can exist.

eugene - there is no moot question or moot answer. It's straight-forward philosophy, isn't it? I still don't get your answer because you used Paris Hilton as the example of the person who was fit but stupid. Select an Olympic athlete instead as an example. Just an idea. I mean, Paris Hilton is NOT known for her physical fitness. She's known for being a slut. Anybody can be a slut. You can be fat and ugly and be a slut. So using her as an example of the person who is physically fit but stupid doesn't make sense to me. There are no right or wrong answers, that's true. If that's your answer, that's your answer. Thank you! I'm just talking about the question at hand, that's all.

truckin -
Bush could be considered an idiot, yes. But could he be considered physically fit? I don't think so. He DOES jog around the issues a lot and performs a few leaps over hurdles. I don't think this has anything to do with IQ, though. They made me read the book "Emotional Intelligence" at work. We had a book club to talk about it. I was too weak and upset to participate fully, frankly. That was a joke. Seriously "emotional intelligence" was just a silly marketing phrase translating into MATURITY. Somebody sold a book.

Arcadia - healthy mind and body is a good idea! I'll vote for that option if that were an option in this question! YES!

mousey1 - I agree totally. Completely. I knew you were my sister.

[mnaz]

it all seems to be intertwined, the smart and fit thing.

not to mention intuition of spirit, which delves into both, hungrily at times.

[mousey1]

It's insidious when your body gives up on your mind.

It's insidious when your mind gives up on your body.

Either way it's best not to be aware of it.

If you don't know the difference...

therein is peace.

Once, in a state of semi-sleep I guess, I semi-awoke and felt my mind active, aware, yet locked inside my body which I could not, try as I might, get to move. Christ, how terrifying.

[stilltrucking]

Most of your dreams occur during the REM stage when your body is immobilized (only your eyes are rapidly moving) but your brain is active.
http://www4.nau.edu/fronske/healthycamp ... xSleep.htm

"They" say there is some kind of 'neuronal switch' that turns off movement during sleep, "they" think the body is immobilized during sleep as a protective measure. We would not want people doing dangerous things when they are asleep, like driving a car.


I been there mousey1, wow could I ramble on this, going not to though, not here.
Post it somewhere else later. Nightmares a hobby of mine.

[Doreen Peri]

i added a poll

[stilltrucking]

Sister Doreen wrote:

or have physical challenges (obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.) but be intelligent & mentally sharp?

I got a problem that question.

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I hear "challenged" a lot from the militrary high command, "we are challenged with this mission blah blah." But I don't see how obesity and hig blood pressure are "challenges" they are self inflicted in many cases.

Even so they can be treated. So if someone is smart and overweight and has blood pressure, how is that a challenge? It is a lack of maturity it seems to me.

I have not voted yet.

[Doreen Peri]

sorry truckin... i'm having a hard time phrasing it so everybody understands.. i truly thought my initial post phrased it correctly but now after all these responses, i'm not sure...


geesh.. go back to the top of the thread and answer the first question i posted in my initial response

i was stupid to try to qualify it based on all the other responses since

i'm not all that fit for this, yanno?

.....

Seriously, if you could go back to the first post of this thread and answer that post, I'd be honored...

Here it is...

Would you rather be physically fit and not too bright... or have physical challenges (obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.) but be intelligent & mentally sharp?

And why?

[stilltrucking]

Listen sister I thought I was a word kook, (jimboloco called me that, said I was his favorite word kook, I was very honored}

But you a kookier word kook than me sometimes I think. Not an insult please don't take it that way.

Ok here we go again

Would you rather be physically fit and not too bright... or have physical challenges (obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.) but be intelligent & mentally sharp?

there you are, the C word again, maybe a trigger word for me cause I hear it every where now a days, nobody is crippled anymore, we are challenged

Presidunce bushallenged to protect the american people by trashing our constitution.

As I said I am having a problem with challenge, I suppose I am challenging you over the word challenge how am I challenged by my being forty pounds over my high scool wieght. how am I challenged by my self pity. I just don't get the word challenge in that context.

Please pardon me while I look up definition of challenge.
That may be the problem, you have a better idea of what it means than I do. For me these days it is an emotionaly charged word the way adjusted was in the fifties.

be back going to post this because I am worried about losing it while I try to open new window.
be back in a LA second.
Ok here it is
Pick one and I will GO from there.

web definitons for challenge

Definitions of challenge on the Web:

a demanding or stimulating situation; "they reacted irrationally to the challenge of Russian power"
take exception to; "She challenged his claims"
a call to engage in a contest or fight
questioning a statement and demanding an explanation; "his challenge of the assumption that Japan is still our enemy"
issue a challenge to; "Fischer challenged Spassky to a match"
a formal objection to the selection of a particular person as a juror
ask for identification; "The illegal immigrant was challenged by the border guard"
a demand by a sentry for a password or identification
raise a formal objection in a court of law
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Challenge is a British digital TV channel owned by Flextech. Originally starting out as 'The Family Channel' its entire output consists of various game shows taken from a variety of sources, including some they made themselves. Challenge also has interactive features for certain shows of some digital platforms. This enables viewers to "play-along" at home. Shows on Challenge include Takeshi's Castle, Knightmare, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? and Fort Boyard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge

An objection, such as when an attorney objects at a hearing to the seating of a particular person on a civil or criminal jury.
proudfootlaw.com/glossary.html

(chal·lenge) (chal¢[schwa]nj) 1. to administer a chemical substance to a patient for observation of whether the normal physiological response occurs. 2. in immunology, to administer antigen to evoke an immunologic response in a previously sensitized individual. 3. the administration of such a chemical or antigen in order to assess for a response. Called also challenge test, provocative test, and provocation.
http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cn ... c_23zPzhtm

An opponent calls "CHALLENGE" when s/he thinks a play is not acceptable (ie not in the OWL or Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition). A Word Judge is called to verify which words are acceptable or not. Whenever there is a challenge, someone loses exactly one turn.
www.scrabble-assoc.com/info/glossary.html

(what we're trying to change or accomplish -- the "pull"),
www.corante.com/ideaflow/20030601.shtml

A formal filing by a third party questioning the eligibility of a certified S/WBE.
www.wbenc.org/certification/standards/standard7.html

The orthopaedic nurse views a challenge as an actual or potential disruption or discontinuity in the integrity of the neuro-muscular and skeletal systems that adversely affects client mobility and function thus impacting on self-care ability and independence.
www.cona-nurse.org/standards/glossary.htm

Persons who have previous experience in a trade and can provide proof of having worked in that field for a minimum of one year can, at the request of the employer, take a placement examination which can enable them to start their technical training at a more advanced level
www.northernopportunities.bc.ca/glossary.html

In vaccine experiments, the deliberate exposure of an immunized animal or person to the infectious agent.
www.sabin.org/vaccine_science_GlossaryB_D.htm

[descriptive: semantics x interpersonal x systemic x move rank] A move in an exchange that challenges the previous move. circumstance. [descriptive: lexicogrammar x experiential x structural x clause rank] Generalized transitivity function in the clause, which consists of a process, participants involved in it, and attendant circumstances. ...
minerva.ling.mq.edu.au/resource/VirtuallLibrary/Glossary/sysglossary.htm

a competition to create a block or quilt using specified fabrics or patterns.
www.reddawn.net/quilt/glossary.htm

Common on fanfic writing lists and websites, someone literally challenges others to write a story with certain ingredients.
www.ralst.com/Definitions.html

A test of a company's ability or resources in a demanding but stimulating undertaking.
orstt.tripod.com/Definitions.htm

a story concept or premise which is presented to potential authors who then attempt to write a story conforming to specific rules and guidelines. For example, a "challenge" may dictate that a story involve a certain location or that certain events take place.
www.blackraptor.net/m7fic/contents/terms.htm

A challenge to write a fan fiction with a certain, theme, line or idea. If someone says, "See if you can write a story starting with the line 'Call me Ishmael'", this is a challenge. Any fiction which answers this is a challenge fic.
expressions.populli.net/dictionary.html

An attempt to take the ball away from the opposing player.
www.pembrokesoccer.org/glossary.htm

mnaz wrote

t all seems to be intertwined, the smart and fit thing.

not to mention intuition of spirit, which delves into both, hungrily at times.

woa dude that's nifty.

[eugeneherman]

Doreen, You are a little confused and frustrated here. The commonly used definition of the term 'moot' as an adjective is 'a debatable or objectively unsolvable question, as your ORIGINAL question is. Your qualification of my referenced Hawkins vs Hilton is incorrect as well. It is a moot point, i.e., subject to interpretation or debate, certainly not a finitely definable dynamic. Chill girl, get a grip, or just get a dictionary! Eugene

[hester_prynne]

Maybe the real challenge is being comfortable with ourselves?
Don't fight weight gain or loss?
Don't resist it, resist instead the self loathing and worry about it. Weight fluctuates, and it sits on us differently as we grow older. It's a beautiful thing!!!!!
H

[stilltrucking]

Ok I am ready to vote.

I am going to go with this one

An opponent calls "CHALLENGE" when s/he thinks a play is not acceptable (ie not in the OWL or Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition). A Word Judge is called to verify which words are acceptable or not. Whenever there is a challenge, someone loses exactly one turn.
www.scrabble-assoc.com/info/glossary.html

I voted for not too bright. Because I yam what I yam.

and I always liked this poem by SP for her new born son.

It is the exception that interests the devil.
It is the exception that climbs his sorrowful hill
Or sits in the desert and hurts his mother's heart.
I will him to be common,
To love me as I love him,

Did I get a double word score.
Or lose a turn?