Al Sharpton speech

[Totenkopf]

Brown WAS a nut--and like a baptist preacher-mystic of some sort--- regardless if some of the abolitionists admired him . RW Emerson himself made fun of him (if memory serves us right). General R.E. Lee was one of the gents in charge of the execution.....................

[stilltrucking]

I'm wasted
I was going to try and edit the one above so many typos I am amazed you could read it.

e-dog don't seem to mind the trail of blood in Al Sharpton's wake either.

It was a fiasco the raid on Harper's ferry
Bush and Cheney could not have planned it any better
It was going to be a cake walk


All the hell I know about John Brown I got from Burn's Civil War Show. Not exactly a scholarly work I dont suppose

I know I post too much
compulsive scribler
sorry

[Totenkopf]

the "meritocracy" is a pipedream. It's called totalitarianism.

Yass, and it's under the control of DNC-o-crats and corporate liberals--even multicultural ones. Chairgals Feinstein and Pelosia--with some help from Rangel, and Obama supporters, and Gore-bots. Fear liberals more than hicks.

[e_dog]

John Brown was one of the first American heros. true liberatory revolution'y.

LEE led a company of fed trooops to quash the rebellion.

Virginy still celebrates Roberte e. lee day wit Martin LU. king. Should be a Johny Brown Day.

fanatical, yes. But he was a true antislavery leada.

[stilltrucking]

His zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine... Mine was as the taper light; his was as the burning sun. I could live for the slave; John Brown could die for him.
Frederick Douglas speaking of John Brown

H*tler modeled his eugenics laws after Virginia's they say
They just retired this song a couple of years ago

The Virginia Official Song Emeritus
Carry Me Back to Old Virginny
words and music by James Bland

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where the old darkey's heart am long'd to go,
There's where I labor'd so hard for old massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn,
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.

CHORUS:
Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where this old darkey's heart am long'd to go.

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There let me live 'till I wither and decay,
Long by the old Dismal Swamp have I wander'd,
There's where this old darkey's life will pass away.
Massa and missis have long gone before me,
Soon we will meet on that bright and golden shore,
There we'll be happy and free from all sorrow,
There's where we'll meet and we'll

[Totenkopf]

Kinda catchy: sets da toes a tappin'

Hey Mao-dawg: everythin's relative, right dewd? . General Lee himself (ok, he had some issues--nonetheless 3 times the man that Abe L. wuz) was not completely opposed to abolition, though admittedly his solution was not as swift as some abolitionists wanted. Some of the southerners also favored something like Liberia (started by that "petit-booj-wah" jackal Madison). Anyway, the C.W. was not solely defined by the slavery issue. It was about agricultural and mercantile economies vs. the finance and industry of the North. (Some of the rebel generals, like Beauregard, were in fact of French and creole descent, and opposed to the rightist baptists, like J. Davis) You siding with the Capitalist Oppressor, Mao-pup! Fer shame.

[e_dog]

Not quite. Remember John Broiwn was pre-CivieWar. He was makin' revolu while honest Abe was still playin with words and laws. And Johny boy attacked the govt. Sure the feds was hypocrit.

But i don't give a shit whether Roby Lee was n't totally against abolition. Thats like just a little bit pregnant?

All wars about sadomasochism and profits. But the effect can sometime be liberation (for some).

[Totenkopf]

Not quite what? values are not relative? On occasion I could swear ye were either papist, platonique, or possibly mooslim: either way, even more mo' moralistick than most marxistas (Marx sounds damn near behaviorist when discussing history--rarely offers ethical statements or judgments). Brown was a psycho and murdered people as well--you will note however that comment had nothing to do with Brown.

[stilltrucking]

But i don't give a shit whether Roby Lee was n't totally against abolition. Thats like just a little bit pregnant?

The Private Thoughts of a Southern Icon
Lee's Real Feelings about the Confederacy and Slavery


By Diane Cole
Posted 6/24/07
Can there possibly be any secrets left to discover about the life of Confederate icon Robert E. Lee? Yes—and the source is the general himself.

For her newly published biography, Reading the Man: A Portrait of Robert E. Lee Through His Private Letters, historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor draws on a cache of previously unknown Lee family papers, discovered in 2002 in two sturdy wooden trunks that Lee's daughter stored in a Virginia bank about a century ago. Quoting from these and other overlooked letters, Pryor presents a multifaceted man, more accessible and at the same time more puzzling than ever. He was an irrepressible flirt, and, contrary to popular belief, Lee not only believed in slavery; he was capable of treating his own slaves cruelly.

What were his views on slavery?

These papers are filled with information about slavery. This is not something you have to read between the lines; Lee really tells us how he feels. He saw slaves as property, that he owned them and their labor. Now you can say he wasn't worse than anyone; he was reflecting the values of the society that he lived in. I would say, he wasn't any better than anyone else, either.


It is shocking how he treated his father-in-law's slaves.

Lee's wife inherited 196 slaves upon her father's death in 1857. The will stated that the slaves were to be freed within five years, and at the same time large legacies—raised from selling property—should be given to the Lee children. But as the executor of the will, Lee decided that instead of freeing the slaves right away—as they expected—he could continue to own and work them for five years in an effort to make the estates profitable and not have to sell the property.


What happened after that?

Lee was considered a hard taskmaster. He also started hiring slaves to other families, sending them away, and breaking up families that had been together on the estate for generations. The slaves resented him, were terrified they would never be freed, and they lost all respect for him. There were many runaways, and at one point several slaves jumped him, claiming they were as free as he. Lee ordered these men to be severely whipped. He also petitioned the court to extend their servitude, but the court ruled against him and Lee did grant them their freedom on Jan. 1, 1863—ironically, the same day that Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation went into effect


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/artic ... 2lee_2.htm

The main drag in Richmond Virginia is lined with statues of confederate heroes. Tying to be fair and balanced they erected one to Author Ashe a few years ago. Over the objections of the Sons of the Confedaracy.


"so long and thanks for all the fish"

[e_dog]

All geniuses are nuts. Brown was a rebel artist.

Lee is the oppressor. Just like the Distrt Attourney in Looseyanna.

[Totenkopf]

Lincoln and his eastcoast financiers were the oppressors. Ivy league liberals are oppressors. marxist chandala-- the union of oppressors.

Don't quote Heidegger . epup

[e_dog]

don't think i've quoted Heidegger, the nazi jackass.

The plantation was pretty oppressive methinks even more so than finance capital, tho you wont here me defending the capitalist none neither.

wave slagery is based on tha real thing. Lee is on the side of the slaveowner's rebellion as Senor Marx call'd it.

He ain't no hero even if Kerouac wrote some line implyin so. Lee is incahoots wit the devil.

[jimboloco]

i have to correct a prior post, i was maced, not tear gassed by a black kid in Detroit while driving a taxi, owned by the NASCAR family of driver Bennie Parsons,
the kid called up a fake address in a neighborhood I'd been to many times before, was standing there smiling, gestured to me, I had my driver's window open, trusting as 99% of the people in Detroit were good passengers, and he sprayed me in the face

I drove off and he yelled "shit", and I stopped a ways off, fellow cabbie brought some water and I washed off my eyes and parked it.

90% of our customers were black and the overwhelming quantity of golden people were good and decent. as a per capita percent, the whites were more arrogant, more likely to skip a fare, puked in the cab, etc,
and if I were a black kid in Jim Crow America, I would have a time not getting pissed. It's amazing that not more angry violencehas happenned against rascist whites.

So while moralists like Phil Lee Bob call for blacks to not get violent in reAction to "pranks" like hanging nooses, I would say that they need to stay angry and get their due, and when they do, we need to make sure that they are protected under ju·ris·pru·dence, rather than asking southern blacks to act in restraint, let them get their revenge and protect their legal rights in the aftermath.

[e_dog]

Big Al's goin to Congress to rap abpout the Jena political prisners.

FREE Mikhail Bell. Long Live anarchy!

Free Larry Craig!