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Post by Arcadia » October 27th, 2007, 8:59 am

Los debates pendientes de la campaña electoral

Palermo, Cheresky, Giarraca, Campione y Svampa analizan las razones de la apatía.

La sexta elección presidencial desde el retorno a la democracia llega en un clima de apatía.

El que no haya habido elecciones internas en casi ningún partido y que el 85,9 por ciento de las notificaciones para ser autoridad de mesa hayan sido rechazadas son síntomas que alertaron sobre la falta de interés electoral. Si a esto se le suma la ausencia de debate político y la crisis del sistema de representación, el panorama amerita un análisis más profundo. Resulta unánime, lo que caracteriza a esta elección es la apatía.

Para el politólogo Vicente Palermo las razones principales de este fenómeno son dos: “Primero, se da casi por descontado el triunfo de un candidato. Segundo, ninguno de los otros competidores tiene un atractivo importante para el electorado. Por consiguiente, se trata de una elección en la que parece haber poco en juego, y que se efectúa en el marco de una situación política, social y económica muchísimo menos dramática que las anteriores”.

Complementariamente, Palermo sostiene que “la oferta política oficial no es, precisamente, la de un peronismo que vuelve a enamorar como lo fue la de Menem en su campaña de 1989. Es la de un gobierno que administra su capital y trata de mantener un precario equilibrio entre las tribus peronistas y el registro en el que tiene que emitir para retener el respaldo del voto no peronista que es indispensable”.

Así lo ve el politólogo Isidoro Cheresky: “Estamos ante un hecho sorprendente y es que todos los sectores políticos, la oposición y el oficialismo, cada uno desde sus propios argumentos, piensan que estamos frente a una nueva etapa. Esto supondría algún tipo de debate, alguna confrontación, pero no es así. Pese a que Cristina (Kirchner) se postula como el cambio –cuando el único cambio significativo es la candidatura a vice del radical Julio Cobos– la estrategia evidente ha sido el continuismo. Seguramente gane, pero el oficialismo tiene un problema. Es que ha cambiado de manera permanente la relación de los ciudadanos con la política. Entre el 70 y el 80 por ciento dice no pertenecer a un partido, y el problema de la segregación no es que han desaparecido las organizaciones o los militantes, sino la pertenencia. Los líderes expresan proyectos o alternativas políticas. Pero el liderazgo, cuando no está sustentado en una organización, es un problema”.

Este proceso de destrucción del sistema de representación del que habla Cheresky tuvo su apogeo en las jornadas del 19 y 20 de diciembre.“El 2001 fue un gran susto para las clases dominantes. Es que fue puesta en juego la cultura del orden y una idea de sociedad integrada que existe en Argentina. Es por eso que hoy hay mucha necesidad de apoyar a Kirchner, que es un gran generador de hegemonía. En eso tiene mucho de peronista”, asegura la socióloga Norma Giarraca, especialista en el estudio de la protesta social.
Desde el oficialismo, la solución de cara a la descomposición de los partidos sería la “Concertación Plural” de la que tanto habló Cristina Kirchner durante la campaña. Con esta herramienta, el matrimonio K buscaría una rearticulación del sistema político en el que este frente, que incluiría a radicales K, algunos socialistas y muchos peronistas, representaría el centroizquierda.

Agudo observador de la rebelión de diciembre del 2001, el sociólogo Daniel Campione señala que su talón de Aquiles fue el modo organizativo que asumió: “La apelación meramente antipolítica fue la que mostró sus límites. El “que se vayan todos” tenía la carencia fundamental de que no decía que venga quién. Luego, con gran habilidad, la conducción política tradicional fue reabsorbiendo a ese movimiento. Hoy tenemos que esa corriente se ha transformado en un acompañamiento distante, escéptico, no entusiasta del quehacer político, pero que ya no enarbola banderas de impugnación. Hoy que se vayan todos no es consigna de nadie”.

Esto se combina con lo que la socióloga Maristella Svampa observa en torno de la ausencia en la agenda política de reflexión sobre “nuevas formas de democracia directa y participativa, por fuera de los moldes del régimen de dominación, instituido en los ’90. Tanto es así que, desde el campo político como académico, no son pocos los que se resisten a comprender la dimensión de los cambios operados en la concepción misma de participación ciudadana. Creen que la integración de nuevas formas de participación dentro de los moldes del actual régimen de dominación es algo no sólo posible, como los muestran ciertas organizaciones sociales, sino también deseable para la gobernabilidad del país. Otros continúan recitando el decálogo de la democracia representativa, como si la cuestión se redujera al respeto de los canales de mediación o de los procedimientos institucionales”.
Informe: Diego González.

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Post by e_dog » October 27th, 2007, 4:08 pm

i always take apathy
when dee roadie is block'd
i often ride a bikey
when tha train is all shock'd

don't get lost in apathy
when it winds thru the woodsy
don't lose yr way in apathy
trippin' o'er yo shoeslaces
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Post by Arcadia » October 28th, 2007, 8:50 am

s-t: the translation sounds good!!!
thanks e-dog!! I like it!, does it have music?

maybe there is a bright side? of all of this somewhere, who knows :shock:

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Post by jimboloco » October 28th, 2007, 5:00 pm

The pending debates of the electoral campaign
Palermo, Cheresky, Giarraca, Campione and Svampa analyze the reasons of the apathy.

The sixth presidential election since the return to democracy arrives in a climate of apathy.

(note, I translated this article in two steps. First, I downloaded the freetranslation.com web page translation, and then paragraph by paragraph, rewording it using this rather awkward free translation and comparing it with the Spanish article to arrive at a hopefully more effective translation. Cheers!)

That there have not been internal elections in almost any party and that 85.9 percent of the notifications to be authorized on a platform have been rejected are symptoms that alerts to the lack of electoral interest. If to this is added the absence of political debate and the crisis of the system of representation, the panorama merits a deeper analysis. A unanimous result, what characterizes to this election is apathy.


For the political scientist Vicente Palermo the main reasons of this phenomenon are two: "First, it is given almost for granted the triumph of a candidate. Second, none of the other competitors has an important attraction for the electorate. Consequently,
we are treated to an election which seems to have little in play, and that is performed in the framework of an economic, social, and political situation less dramatic than the previous".

Com·pli·men·ta·ri·ly , Palermo maintains that "the official political offering is not, exactly, that of a Peronism that returns to court again like it was that of Menem in his campaign of 1989. It is that of a government that administers its capital and tries to maintain a precarious equilibrium between the Peronist tribes and the registration in which it has to emit to retain the endorsement of the non Peronist vote that is indispensable". :?:

Thus as the political scientist Isidoro Cheresky sees it : "We are before a surprising fact and the fact is that all the political sectors, the opposition and the ruling party, each one from their own arguments, thinks that we are before a new phase. This would suppose some type of debate, some confrontation, but is not thus. /Despite that Cristina (Kirchner) advances as the change –when the only significant change is the candidacy to vice :?: of the radical one Julio Cobos– the evident strategy has been the preservation of the status quo. Securely won, but the ruling party has a problem./
It's that what has changed in a permanent way is the relationship of the citizens with the politics. Between 70 and the 80 percent says they do not belong to a party,/ and the problem of the segregation is not that the organizations or the militants have disappeared , but the ownership. The leaders express projects or political alternatives. But the leadership, when it is not sustained in an organization, is a problem"./

This process of destruction of the system of representation that Cheresky speaks of had its highestpoint in the days of the 19 and 20 of December. "The year 2001 was a great scare for the dominant classes. It is that was put in play the culture of the order and an idea of integrated society that exists in Argentina. That it is why today there is a lot of need to support Kirchner, that is a great generator of hegemony. In that is a lot of Peronism", assures the sociologist Norm Giarraca, specialist in the study of the social protest./

From the ruling party, the solution with a view toward the decomposition of the parties would be the "Plural Coordination" that Cristina Kirchner so much spoke of during the campaign. With this tool, K would seek a rearticulación of the political system in which this front, a marriage that would include radicals K, some socialists and many Peronists, would represent the moderate left./

Sharp observer of the rebellion of December of 2001, the sociologist Daniel Campione indicates that its Achilles heel was the organizing way that assumed: "The only antipolitical appeal was that it showed its limits. The "as it all goes" had the fundamental lack that it did not say who would come. :?:
Then, with great ability, the traditional political conduction was reabsorbing to this movement. Today we have this current that has been transformed into a skeptical, distant accompaniment, not enthusiastic of what happens politically, but one that no longer raises flags of challenge. Today all that goes is an order of nobody"./

This combines with what the sociologist Maristella Svampa observes about an absence in the political agenda of reflection on "new forms of participatory and direct democracy, outside of the molds of the state of domination, instituted in the 90's./ So much it is so, from the political field as in academia, the ones that resist understanding are not few, the dimension of the changes operated in the same conception of civic participation. / They believe that the integration of new forms of participation inside the molds of the current state of domination is something not only possible, /as certain social organizations show, but also desireale for the governability of the country./ Others continue reciting the decalogue of representative democracy, as if the question was reduced to the respect of the channels of mediation or of institutional procedures".

Report: Diego González
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Post by Arcadia » October 28th, 2007, 6:18 pm

good jimbo!! I supposed it´s translated well. I can tell you if something translated to spanish from english sounds good or not but viceversa it´s more difficult for me.

I voted for Pino Solanas and Del Frade. In the dark-room where I voted there were three votes available of the list I vote. I told the mesa president that there weren´t enough votes from all the lists... I came home and listened to the radio... big problems for lack of votes at the moment to vote all along the country... the opposition is talking about "a mano negra", the officialism talk about a "clear election" so maybe next time we´ll have digital vote and have a digital "mano negra"... also big delays because the people went to vote later than usually because they were afraid to vote first and become presidente de mesa.... and it seems Cristina already won according the festejos in the Frente para la Victoria sedes.

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Post by jimboloco » October 28th, 2007, 7:52 pm

well i have not completely finished the translation,
but i will tomorrow morning, then i will do a little bit of research into the basic political structure of argentina.

It is a relief, thinking about a placewhere Bush and his cronies, aficionados, do not live. :wink:
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Post by Arcadia » October 29th, 2007, 12:16 pm

Cristina ya sumaba el 44,88 por ciento de los votos

La presidenta electa, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, se imponía este mediodía con el 44,88 por ciento (8.175.456 votos) luego de ser escrutadas 70.714 mesas sobre un total de 73.444 de todo el país, correspondientes al 96,28% por ciento del total, de acuerdo a los datos oficiales.

Según datos brindados a las 11.15 por el Correo Central, detrás del binomio integrado por Cristina Fernández y Julio Cobos se ubicaban los candidatos de la Coalición Cívica, Elisa Carrió y Rubén Giustiniani.


Cristina Fernández (Frente para Victoria): 44,88% (8.175.456 votos)


Elisa Carrió (Coalición Cívica): 22,97% (4.184.843)


Roberto Lavagna (Concertación Una Nación Avanzada): 16,90% (3.078.349)


Alberto Rodríguez Saá (Frente Justicialista Unión y Libertad): 7,72% (1.406.113)


Fernando Pino Solanas (Partido Socialista Auténtico): 1,60% (292.321)

Jorge Sobisch (Movimiento Provincias Unidas): 1,56% (283.486)


Ricardo López Murphy (Recrear para el Crecimiento): 1,45% (264.205)


Vilma Ripoll (Movimiento Socialista de los Trabajadores): 0,71% (104.301)


Néstor Pitrola (Partido Obrero): 0,59% (85.974)


José Montes (MAS Izquierda Socialista): 0,48% (69.732)


Luis Amman (Frente Amplio Hacia la Unidad): 0,42% (61.733)


Raúl Castells (MIJD): 0,27% (40.208)


Gustavo Breide Obeid (Partido Popular de la Reconstrucción): 0,25% (36.692)


Juan R. Mussa (Confederación Lealtad Popular): 0,05% (7.760)


Pocos votantes
El número de votantes es el más bajo desde 1928, al registrarse menos del 80 por ciento de participación del electorado.

Esto se refleja en los datos que marcan que sobre un padrón electoral de 27.090.236 de ciudadanos habilitados para elegir, sólo se presentaron a los comicios 19.400.504 personas, lo que significa un 71,61%.

Del total de votos emitidos son votos positivos 18.217.355, un 93,90% del total, en blanco hubo 931.025, un 4,80%, nulos 217.196, un 1,12% y recurridos e impugnados 34.928, lo que significa un 0,18%.

wow!!! Cristina K is the new president and my candidate reached the 1,6 % of the votes!!!!!!!!! :roll:

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Post by Arcadia » October 29th, 2007, 12:35 pm

here she is:

http://www.lacapital.com.ar/2007/10/29/ ... 806_0.html

here´s her first declarations. My co-workers (mostly voters of Lilita Carrió)thinks she was medicated and not in her habitual mood when she said that :shock: ... well... maybe she was only reading the rest of the 44 % thing... . Her audience in vivo, a bit frightening... as usual. Also she played the victim and the loyal wife a little... I think it was ok or at least it could be worst...

La presidenta electa festejó temprano y con moderación

Rodolfo Montes / La Capital

Con Néstor ahí, a pocos pasos, muy cerca, apuntalándola, Cristina salió al escenario del Salón Monserrat en el segundo subsuelo del Hotel Intercontinental y se declaró ganadora. Eran casi las 10 de noche de su día más esperado. Fue suave y amigable con los derrotados. “Todos tenemos un lugar”, advirtió, tratando de relativizar la idea de la Argentina monocolor que se viene, en los próximos cuatro años. Sobre las alfombras, enredados entre cámaras, cables, y decenas de cronistas de todo el mundo, hundían sus zapatos un centenar de militantes a puro canto, salto, sudor y lágrimas. “Y los gorilas se quedan sin ballottage”, fue uno de los cantitos preferidos de la barra.
“Ganamos por la mayor diferencia de la historia con el segundo, pero este triunfo nos coloca en un sitio de mayor responsabilidad”, analizó. Luego llegó el primer agradecimiento de la presidenta electa a su marido, y estalló la mayor ovación de la noche: “Olé olé Néstor, Néstor”, retumbó en todo el hotel. Las gargantas rojas, los ojos húmedos, volvieron a tomar protagonismo cuando la presidenta electa agradeció “a los jóvenes”. “Y ya lo ve es la gloriosa jotapé”, fue la respuesta inmediata. “Ustedes saben que esa consigna me conmociona”, contestó Cristina.

Subieron al escenario con Cristina, además de su marido, el gobernador electo en la provincia de Buenos Aires, Daniel Scioli, y el a partir del 10 de diciembre, nuevo vicepresidente de la nación: Julio Cobos. A ellos también alcanzaron las palabras de feliz agradecimiento de Cristina Kirchner. Cobos recibió un respetuoso aplauso con una sonrisa, pero no pudo disfrutar ni una bandera radical que lo saludara desde el público. Cristina ratificó que el proyecto kirchnerista de acumulación política seguirá siendo “a través de la Concertación Plural”, donde caben peronistas, radicales, socialistas y otras variantes de la centroizquierda.
La senadora ahora electa presidenta le pidió a la oposición deponer “odios, convoco a todos, incluso a los que nos agraviaron por las razones que fueran. Ahora es necesario reconstruir”. El corto discurso de apenas unos 15 minutos no entregó ninguna definición política de significación. Tampoco anuncios que pudieran sorprender. Fue una reconfirmación de las líneas discursivas de la campaña electoral: “los argentinos nos merecemos otro relato, y eso lo hacemos entre todos, los dirigentes y también la sociedad”.
Tampoco faltó anoche, en el autoproclamado triunfo del Frente para la Victoria, la mención a la debilidad de inicio de la presidencia Kirchner: “si pudimos hacer todo lo que hicimos con el 22%, cómo no vamos a poder ahora, que somos más”, graficó.

El búnker del FPV vivió todo con distensión, desde temprano. La primera noticia que recibía quien quiera que bajaba las escaleras mecánicas del hotel era “ganamos con más del 45 %, no hay ballottage”. Así lo colocaron en sus pantallas, además, con pequeñas variaciones, todos los canales de televisión, a partir de las siete de la tarde. Por caso, apenas pasadas las seis de la tarde, el jefe de Jóvenes K, y candidato a diputado nacional por la Capital Federal, Nicolás Trota, le comentó a La Capital: “Estamos arriba del 46%, pero en cuanto a los diputados y senadores, hay que esperar”.

A su vez, otro hombre clave en la campaña K, funcionario, politólogo y con apellido peronista-setentista, Juan Manuel Abal Medina, minimizaba las dificultades que se le abren a la democracia a partir de la existencia, en muchos distritos, de un único partido político organizado: el oficialismo. Mientras tanto, por el equipo de sonido del Salón Monserrat sonaba “A brillar mi amor”, de los Redondos de Ricota. Era para amenizar la espera, durante ese limbo temporal, clásico de todo escrutinio, que va desde las bocas de urna hasta los números contantes y sonantes de los votos efectivamente contabilizados.

Antes de que todo empezara a llegar a su fin en el Hotel Intercontinental, la presidenta electa dedicó el final de su discurso, otra vez, al hombre más importante de la política argentina de los últimos cuatro años y medio: Néstor Kirchner. “A él”, dijo, emocionada, “que con sus aciertos y sus errores, mantiene el más profundo compromiso con todos los argentinos”. Lentamente, y sin desbordes, los militantes se alejaron del hotel.

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Post by Arcadia » October 29th, 2007, 12:43 pm

web sites of the people I voted, enjoy them!!

www.pinosolanas.com

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Post by jimboloco » October 29th, 2007, 12:48 pm

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/29/World ... ady_.shtml
Argentine first lady claims win
Cristina Fernandez will succeed her husband as president, exit polls show.
By Washington Post
Published October 29, 2007


Kirchner's government steered the country away from the free-market policies of the 1990s that the couple - along with a large percentage of the population - blame for the economic crisis. Fernandez has vowed to remain defiantly opposed to the advice of global lending institutions such as the International Monetary Fund.

To her supporters, such declarations of economic independence - together with a long history of holding Argentina's 1976-83 military dictatorship responsible for human rights abuses - count as the couple's principle strengths. Fernandez's campaign literature drew parallels between her and Eva Peron, who is revered here as a champion of social justice and defender of the poor.

"Cristina will lead a government that represents all of the people, but the rest of the candidates want to govern just for the elites," said Nestor Arevalo, 38, who cast a ballot for Fernandez in the province of Buenos Aires on Sunday. "She has proven herself to be a fighter for human rights."
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Post by jimboloco » October 29th, 2007, 1:08 pm

I see that you voted for the Socialist Solanas, with 1.6% of the vote.

so you say there was a "black hand" and next time there will be a digital black hand in the election process, and that people were turned away from the polls, also that some candidates were not present on the ballots. "There weren't enough votes from all the lists." what you told the man at the table, the election supervisor at your voting center.

You need to find a way to have a coalition of parties. The article I pasted above from the St Pete Times, the Washington Post, states that Kirchner-Fernandez is new-left centrist, who opposes the International Monetary Fund in Argentinian economics. So it appears that you voted your conscience, knowing that a moderate would get elected.

Unfortunately here in America del Norte, we have an array of candidates within the Democratic Party, with various ideological ideas, but all of whom are opposed to the right-wing Republicans. And yes, after the primaries, which won't even count in Florida and possible some other states, we will be left with two choices, or if lucky, the right wing religious fanatics will break away and split the Republican Party and assure their defeat. However, the choices are easy, to vote against the continuing disaster that occupies the Presidency now. My third party days are over for now, unfortunately.

You say that your co-workers who voted for the runner-up, Elisa Carrió (Coalición Cívica): 22,97% (4.184.843) or Lilita, think that she was medicated! so now I have to try and read her declaraciones primaras. Mecry.
What party ideology was the runner-up?

I see that your candidate Solanas is a visionary, "Latent Argentina" is his film, I viewed the trailer in the website, "lo que hicimos y podemos hacer."

No harm done, La Presidente will continue with a policy that is anti-military dictatorship, anti-IMF, that is good. What else may happen is, as the first article states, probably harmless. So now I will try to read her first sentiments and decide if she seems medicated. Evidently she was more calm than normal.
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Post by jimboloco » October 29th, 2007, 1:34 pm

meanwhile here is a posted link to The Nation's latest edition with an article on La Presidente de Argentina.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=246625
the editor's cut
Katrina vanden Heuvel
In fact, Colley points out that from a global perspective, the state of affairs for women in politics in the United States is in some ways lagging. Only 16 percent of our members of Congress are women, compared to 45 percent in Sweden and 49 percent in Rwanda. 58 women have served as an elected prime minister or president, with only one coming from the Northern Hemisphere (Kim Campbell, prime minister of Canada for less than six months.)

So a win for Hillary in the US – like a win for Cristina in machismo Argentina – would represent a leap forward for women in both countries. But for the world as a whole it is a more measured achievement – no matter what Hillary's campaign would have you believe
with some blogger comments that follow

my meagre post on the second page:
While the road to popularity is similar, between the two female senators, the Argentinian lady is also against the IMF and acutely conscious of the recent history of military dictatorship there.

If I were in Argentina, I would vote for the candidate of my conscience, knowing that the election was already resolved in advance. Here in America, after voting Green-Nader in 2000, I am well aware that my vote was tragic.

Posted by JIM WILLINGHAM 10/29/2007 @ 1:55pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/al ... 6625&rpg=2
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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 2820071029
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Post by jimboloco » October 29th, 2007, 2:25 pm

I am getting brave I searched for the author, in spanish, mercy,
http://www.lacapital.com.ar/2007/10/29/ ... 4776.shtml
and got a translation of his name!

now I have to go thru the same process, using the web translator from www.freetrenslation.com and piece together a better version of it. Gracias.
so is a work in progress, i have to get out now and exercise. anothher day off tomorroow, then a series of long work days.
The chosen president celebrated early and with moderation

Rodolfo "Mount" Montes 8) / The Capital

to be refined, ser refinado, sea mi ambición :wink:

With Néstor there, to few steps, very close, propping up, Cristina left Al setting of the Parlor Monserrat in the second subsoil of the Intercontinental Hotel and winner was declared. They were almost the 10 at night of their more expected day. It was smooth and friendly with them defeated. "All we have a place", notified, trying to relativize the idea of Argentina monochrome that comes itself, in the next four years. On the carpets, entangled among cameras, cables, and scores of columnists of the entire world, they sank their militant a hundred shoes to pure song, leap, sweat and tears. "And the gorillas remain without ballottage", was one of the cantitos they preferred of the bar.

Con Néstor ahí, a pocos pasos, muy cerca, apuntalándola, Cristina salió al escenario del Salón Monserrat en el segundo subsuelo del Hotel Intercontinental y se declaró ganadora. Eran casi las 10 de noche de su día más esperado. Fue suave y amigable con los derrotados. “Todos tenemos un lugar”, advirtió, tratando de relativizar la idea de la Argentina monocolor que se viene, en los próximos cuatro años. Sobre las alfombras, enredados entre cámaras, cables, y decenas de cronistas de todo el mundo, hundían sus zapatos un centenar de militantes a puro canto, salto, sudor y lágrimas. “Y los gorilas se quedan sin ballottage”, fue uno de los cantitos preferidos de la barra./
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"We win for the greater difference of the history with the second, but this triumph places us in a place of greater responsibility", analyzed. Then the first gratitude of the chosen president arrived to its husband, and the greater ovation exploded at night: "Olé olé Néstor, Néstor", resounded in all the hotel. The red throats, the humid eyes, they took again prominence when the chosen president thanked "to the youths". "And already he sees he is it the glorious one jotapé", was the immediate answer. "You know that that order shakes me", answered Cristina.

“Ganamos por la mayor diferencia de la historia con el segundo, pero este triunfo nos coloca en un sitio de mayor responsabilidad”, analizó. Luego llegó el primer agradecimiento de la presidenta electa a su marido, y estalló la mayor ovación de la noche: “Olé olé Néstor, Néstor”, retumbó en todo el hotel. Las gargantas rojas, los ojos húmedos, volvieron a tomar protagonismo cuando la presidenta electa agradeció “a los jóvenes”. “Y ya lo ve es la gloriosa jotapé”, fue la respuesta inmediata. “Ustedes saben que esa consigna me conmociona”, contestó Cristina.
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They rose Al setting with Cristina, besides their husband, the chosen governor in the province of Buenos Aires, Daniel Scioli, and the to leave from December 10, new vice president of the nation: July Snails. To them also they reached the words of happy gratitude of Cristina Kirchner. Snails received a respectful applause with a smile, but could not enjoy neither a radical flag that greeted it since the public. Cristina ratified that the project kirchnerista of political accumulation will continue being "through the Plural Coordination", where fit Peronists, radical, socialist and other variant of the moderate left.
Subieron al escenario con Cristina, además de su marido, el gobernador electo en la provincia de Buenos Aires, Daniel Scioli, y el a partir del 10 de diciembre, nuevo vicepresidente de la nación: Julio Cobos. A ellos también alcanzaron las palabras de feliz agradecimiento de Cristina Kirchner. Cobos recibió un respetuoso aplauso con una sonrisa, pero no pudo disfrutar ni una bandera radical que lo saludara desde el público. Cristina ratificó que el proyecto kirchnerista de acumulación política seguirá siendo “a través de la Concertación Plural”, donde caben peronistas, radicales, socialistas y otras variantes de la centroizquierda.

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The senator now chosen president asked to the opposition to depose "hatreds, I call to all, even to the ones that they wronged us for the reasons that were. Now it is necessary to reconstruct". The short speech of barely some 15 minutes did not deliver any political definition of meaning. Neither announcements that could surprise. Was a reconfirmación of the discursive lines of the electoral campaign: "The Argentines we deserve another story, and that we do it among all, the leaders and also the company"./
La senadora ahora electa presidenta le pidió a la oposición deponer “odios, convoco a todos, incluso a los que nos agraviaron por las razones que fueran. Ahora es necesario reconstruir”. El corto discurso de apenas unos 15 minutos no entregó ninguna definición política de significación. Tampoco anuncios que pudieran sorprender. Fue una reconfirmación de las líneas discursivas de la campaña electoral: “los argentinos nos merecemos otro relato, y eso lo hacemos entre todos, los dirigentes y también la sociedad”.
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Did neither it lack last night, in the self-proclaimed triumph of the Front for the Victory, the mention to the weakness of start of the presidency Kirchner: "If we could do everything that we did with the 22%, how do we be not going to be able now, that we are more", graficó.

Tampoco faltó anoche, en el autoproclamado triunfo del Frente para la Victoria, la mención a la debilidad de inicio de la presidencia Kirchner: “si pudimos hacer todo lo que hicimos con el 22%, cómo no vamos a poder ahora, que somos más”, graficó.

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The bunker of the FPV lived all with distension, since early. The first news that received who want that descended the mechanical stairs of the hotel was "we win with more than the 45%, there is not ballottage". Thus they placed it in their screens, besides, with small variations, all the television channels, from the seven in the afternoon. By case, barely passed the six in the afternoon, the leader of Young K, and candidate to national representative by the Federal Capital, Nicolas Jogs, he commented to The Capital: "We are above the 46%, but as for the representatives and senators, one must expect".

El búnker del FPV vivió todo con distensión, desde temprano. La primera noticia que recibía quien quiera que bajaba las escaleras mecánicas del hotel era “ganamos con más del 45 %, no hay ballottage”. Así lo colocaron en sus pantallas, además, con pequeñas variaciones, todos los canales de televisión, a partir de las siete de la tarde. Por caso, apenas pasadas las seis de la tarde, el jefe de Jóvenes K, y candidato a diputado nacional por la Capital Federal, Nicolás Trota, le comentó a La Capital: “Estamos arriba del 46%, pero en cuanto a los diputados y senadores, hay que esperar”.
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At the same time, another key man in the campaign K, official, political scientist and with surname Peronist-setentista, Juan Manuel Abal Medina, minimized the difficulties that we are opened him to the democracy from the existence, in many districts, of an only political party organized: the ruling party. In the meantime, by the team of sound of the Parlor Monserrat sounded "TO shine my love", of the Round of Ricota. It was to enliven the wait, during that temporary limbo, classic of every scrutiny, that goes since the mouths of ballot box to the ringing and hard numbers of the votes really counted.

A su vez, otro hombre clave en la campaña K, funcionario, politólogo y con apellido peronista-setentista, Juan Manuel Abal Medina, minimizaba las dificultades que se le abren a la democracia a partir de la existencia, en muchos distritos, de un único partido político organizado: el oficialismo. Mientras tanto, por el equipo de sonido del Salón Monserrat sonaba “A brillar mi amor”, de los Redondos de Ricota. Era para amenizar la espera, durante ese limbo temporal, clásico de todo escrutinio, que va desde las bocas de urna hasta los números contantes y sonantes de los votos efectivamente contabilizados.

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Before all began to arrive at her end in the Intercontinental Hotel, the chosen president dedicated the end of her speech, again, Al more important man of the political one Argentina of the last four years and a half: Néstor Kirchner. "To him", he said, touched, "that with its successes and its errors, maintains the deepest commitment with all the Argentines". Slowly, and without overflow, the militants moved away of the hotel.
Antes de que todo empezara a llegar a su fin en el Hotel Intercontinental, la presidenta electa dedicó el final de su discurso, otra vez, al hombre más importante de la política argentina de los últimos cuatro años y medio: Néstor Kirchner. “A él”, dijo, emocionada, “que con sus aciertos y sus errores, mantiene el más profundo compromiso con todos los argentinos”. Lentamente, y sin desbordes, los militantes se alejaron del hotel.

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