ideas about apathy

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Post by Arcadia » October 29th, 2007, 6:33 pm

jimbo, you did a great refinated job!!! :D and with your article you became something like an specialist-in-argentine-politics!!! :wink:
thanks for the time to co-think!!, I really appreciate it, friend!!!

I didn´t thought that there was a "mano negra" with the votes, at least in Rosario. The opposition says that. But... it´s not the first time in the dark-room I spent I little more time than the desired one searching for the "boletas" I want to vote (or there are very little or there are covered by others of the oficialism... little "jokes" that if there are not massive or that not make you to wait hours for the boletas to be available (as some voter´s denuncias in Buenos Aires) is not so dramatic.

The lack of civic interest and compromise in this elections and the problems that caused that is also something to read... Some kind of participation (at least to say yes when you are convocated to be a mesa´s president) is necessary for an electoral system to work. Specially here, were the votation process is a very artesanal thing.


You need to find a way to have a coalition of parties I see it very difficult (at least in the left field). The only sign of coalition until now it seemed to be the antiperonism. And I don´t know if the term "coalition of parties" is right for K´s "Frente para la victoria".

What party ideology was the runner-up?
what´s runner-up? Carrió? K? Carrió flirted dangerously with the right (Lopez Murphy) in the meantime. Her discourse is mostly "ethic and moral" but in a way it doesn´t seduce me too much.

I see that your candidate Solanas is a visionary, "Latent Argentina" is his film, I viewed the trailer in the website, "lo que hicimos y podemos hacer."
He was one of the most clear voices I remember agaist Menem´s policies. I liked very much some of his documentary films, his fiction-films more or less... K´s couple weren´t a clear voice in Menem times... extreme loyalty to whatever is one of the big problems of peronism and also their ticket to won. Nevertheless I agree with the revisionist effort of K´s government in relation with the last dictadura, human rights (in theory...), international politics (somehow...). I prefer K´s version of peronismo to others already known and suffered already (cfr old Juan Perón, López Rega, Isabel, Menem, Duhalde, Sáa, etc...only to name big fishes with national relevance...).

Evidently she was more calm than normal. I agree with that.

However, the choices are easy, to vote against the continuing disaster that occupies the Presidency now. My third party days are over for now, unfortunately.

If I were you, I think I would vote the democrats also. But with not big hopes and being alert. :wink:

thanks again! :)

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Post by jimboloco » October 29th, 2007, 9:43 pm

thankyou too, amiga, it's good to get connected, and now your quotes are included into The Nation blog anout madame presidente written by the publisher
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/al ... #pid246922 down on page two, hot dawg!you make me look intelligente! :P
e dawg took apathy less chosen :roll:

Regarding the discussion of third party candidates, I have a cyber-friend who lives in Rosario, Argentina. She voted for Fernando Pino Solanas [pinosolanas.com] (Partido Socialista Auténtico): 1,60% (292.321votes). He is a visionary and certainly an authentic voice for those who feel an apathy toward Argentinian politics.

She told me that "He was one of the most clear voices I remember agaist Menem´s policies. I liked very much some of his documentary films, his fiction-films more or less... K´s couple weren´t a clear voice in Menem times... extreme loyalty to whatever is one of the big problems of peronism and also their ticket to won. Nevertheless I agree with the revisionist effort of K´s government in relation with the last dictadura, human rights (in theory...), international politics (somehow...). I prefer K´s version of peronismo to others already known and suffered already (cfr old Juan Perón, López Rega, Isabel, Menem, Duhalde, Sáa, etc...only to name big fishes with national relevance...). "

also agreed that "If I were you, I think I would vote the democrats also. But with not big hopes and being alert."

Posted by J W 10/29/2007 @ 9:44pm |
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Post by Arcadia » October 30th, 2007, 1:30 pm

wow...! my quotes in your note!!!. Now someone can call you "you, the one who have a fucking-lefty-argentine-elititist-cyberfriend!!! :roll: . I hope there aren´t CIA agents between the readers... :shock:

you make me look intelligente
sorry... but I doubt politics can make someone look more inteligente friend... only with good luck a bit less stupid... to talk about it with a long term view it´s a good excercise for vanity :)

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Post by jimboloco » October 30th, 2007, 1:32 pm

yes hopefully we will be a little less estupidos :?
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Post by e_dog » October 31st, 2007, 10:40 pm

apathy's good.

bettern enthusiasm.

yey apathy.

boo george bush.
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