FARC

[Arcadia]

it´s the algid moment of liberation of prisoners taken by FARC it seems thanks Chavez & cia. Our ex-president is also in the group.
I don´t have a more or less complete idea about Colombia politics and the role of FARC. I´ll search information about it and try to think after that...

[jimboloco]

we got the FART here in Amerika\
where is jesse jackson when we need him?

[Arcadia]

I googled it.... it´s complex. Besides I also googled Pakistan at the same time. It´s seems it´s also the EPL and the ELN and the narcos and the forever pression of USA in the area and the oligarquia and the people and the paramilitares. Also our political-pariente that was part of the army there and come here to fix dientes and talk like a dark-humorous-communist. And the odd idea of Chavez as a CIA agent crossed my mind (only) for a second.

[e_dog]

yeah, maybe Chavez was put up to the whole presidency thing by the Central Idiocy Agency CIA even to call Bush tha devil, escalate war and U.S. interventions in S'America.

Sure.

[Arcadia]

mmm... information can be confusing, it was a second-idea, I´m only sure of that!!

[jimboloco]

well, from what I know, the FARC is the leftist revolution in Comumbia
and that the level of polarisation there is intense, uncivil, war between the lefties and the righhties, and extreme tactics taken which i do not agree with, like kidnappings
so if Chavez as a leftie within a legal realm can possibly persuade the Columbian leftists to let go their hostages, so much the better

I don't agree with killings or kidnappings no matter the source or the reason

for instance I would not kidnap edog on the way to the forum, man

[Arcadia]

the FARC sucks. Uribe sucks. But I like the vitality of colombian poets! And things are as they are (I like them or not !) . But change is always possible!!! (and the place of the emoticons can inter-change at any moment ).

some weekend articles:

Multilateralidad

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 12-29.html

In the global selva

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 12-30.html

To live with what we have/ to live with our own

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 12-30.html

Rehenes, valijas & trash

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 12-30.html

the andante paradox

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/socie ... 12-30.html

lo latinoamericano

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contr ... 12-29.html

felices fiestas

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contr ... 12-30.html


And I´ll light a candle for the rehenes while I re-read the notes.

[jimboloco]

El solo hecho de poder leer y comprender lo que se lee es un síntoma de pertenecer. Amigos, la posmodernidad trajo consigo esta paradoja: la alfabetización, la verdadera alfabetización, que implica no sólo lectura y escritura sino básicamente la comprensión de un texto, es la principal herramienta con la que se corta en dos la sociedad. El desalfabetizado queda afuera, no entiende, no simboliza, no hace dobles lecturas. La posmodernidad implica la desalfabetización de la mayor parte del planeta, y la neurosis aguda del resto

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contr ... 12-29.html

The alone fact to be able to read and to understand what is read is itself a symptom of pertinence. Friends, posmodernity brought this paradox: the alphabetization, the true alphabetisation, that implies not only lecturing and writing but basically the comprehension of a text, is the main tool with which society is cut in two . The disalphabetization remains outside, does not understand, does not symbolize, does not do double readings. Posmodernity implies the desalfabetización of most of the planet, and the sharp neurosis of the remainder.

I think that desalfabetizacion is a key word here to understanding this little text.

I am not sure of it's meaning, but I get the idea that a straight linear attitude is what controls society, constructed existence, which makes people more easily controlled with conventional dogma and conformity.

[e_dog]

farc aint no leftists anymorethan bush is a democrat.

theys just drug dealas, yo.

viva Chavez!

[Arcadia]

jimbo: it seems so. I like Russo´s articles (sometimes). They make objective some subjective atmospheres and viceversa.

e-dog: farc are leftists. And it seems they have aprovisionamiento and contacts beyond the colombia-venezuela frontera in venezuela land. I find something odd in a big multinational militar-politics operative in the jungle to talk with terrorists that also kidnapped Betancourt when she was about to talk with them... I don´t know. They are waiting that the farc drop the "coordenadas" for the liberation-place...mmmm. Or is a dangerous game, or is a good representation, or is a good business or they have really faith that they are liberating human lives.

[jimboloco]

subjective objective
i know th difference
altho sometiomes
it takes a while to discern how one
is shaded
by the other

hasn't there been a better time of peace in Columbia
since Uribe became presidente?
Has the FARC ever liberated anyone?
Maybe they have protested and protected against the ultra-rightists,
but have they ever helped anybody?
They need to legitimatize their process if they are ever to gain influence nationwide.

Who is that famous Columbian author who was friends with Neruda?

[e_dog]

what makes them "leftists"? the fact that the mainstream media calls them that?

the fact that they called themselves that?

it's bullshit.

[Arcadia]

yeah, it seems is all shit. But it´s hard to identify the bull. It´s new year day, e-dog... la commedia è finita per oggi. I´ll think later.

[Arcadia]

Maybe they have protested and protected against the ultra-rightists,
but have they ever helped anybody?

well, maybe they consider that the idea of revolution and fifty years of accumulation are not contradictory. It would be something like a long term proyect . And they have the category of enemy very highlighted.

They need to legitimatize their process if they are ever to gain influence nationwide.

maybe

recent news in our newspapers:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 01-04.html

last week I visited the farc page. I could only download the first page but not the internal links. Terribly slow site. But I noticed "partes de guerra" and "farc music threads" . The "partes de guerra" or comunicados bring me bad associations.

[e_dog]

downloafd the farc theme song as a ringtone for your new iphone.