after the going of summer

[Doreen Peri]

maybe it's just how
i treat the condition -
inept, amiss by the
virtue of the fall -

lying prone-
faced in
the plagiarism of
pandora ajar -
quaked ripe
by the futility
of autumn coming
too soon after
the going
of summer -

a sip.
a smoke.
a joke misunderstood
by an audience
during intermission.

perhaps it's just the condition
and the treatment of the why -
a growth encrusted
terminally 'round a
garden, dormant,
not yet in remission -

too quick out of eden

covered up by
leaves -
gone,
dropped
off limbs -

arms reaching for
a peace of
the yellowed
half moon.

(2002, i think)

[stilltrucking]

...

[beat_fan]

I like the tone of this poem. It's very soft, or soothing, as stilltrucking said.
It has a similar effect to that of reading 10-12 good haiku in a row.

[perezoso]

"good" and "haiku"? contradictory to say the least

for haiku one could always vomit to some basho

or at least start with the "kana"

[beat_fan]

"for haiku one could always vomit to some basho"

A lot of people really enjoy Basho's work. I don't know if doreen was going for that effect, but it reminded me of reading a bunch of Basho, who I really like.

[perezoso]

And a lot of people like Sharon Olds or Eminem: So?

haiku is pop imagism for amateur hacks--

Try say Wordworths Prelude

or better Gravitys Rainbow

a monkey can write haikus

in fact I shall!

EE aw aw
ee ee aw
monkey vulva fart

[STUPID BOB]

And a lot of people like Sharon Olds or Eminem: So?

haiku is pop imagism for amateur hacks--

Try say Wordworths Prelude

or better Gravitys Rainbow

a monkey can write haikus

in fact I shall!

EE aw aw
ee ee aw
monkey vulva fart

Do I take this as an admission of your Monkeyhood?

[beat_fan]

And a lot of people like Sharon Olds or Eminem: So?

Point taken.
I still really like Basho though, and I write a lot of haiku myself.
Question though: would you consider Kerouac and Ginsberg to be hacks? Though it's not what they were known for, they wrote a lot of haiku.
This is purely curiosity.

[perezoso]

yo STUPID BOB"

its about your mother, hippay..read it a few time n you;ll get it champ


BTW, beat fan: yr the lyricist--anyone who you would write "strollin in the rain" is got to be a minstrel


though a prose writer, I start with Wordsworth and Shelley ( and have taught poetry) and also realize that poetry was dead in about 1917 as u would know if you had read any Pound


re : haiku ..do japanese people write sonnets?

[STUPID BOB]

yo STUPID BOB"

its about your mother, hippay..read it a few time n you;ll get it champ

You poor bastard. That makes you my brother. Feel better now?

[perezoso]

Poor bastard? Naw sunshine, I think that would be thee: Don't you have a cyber-version of Tom Dooley to work on?

[stilltrucking]

Herr Professor:

the question was about Haiku Hacks

beat_fan wrote

Question though: would you consider Kerouac and Ginsberg to be hacks?

[STUPID BOB]

Poor bastard? Naw sunshine, I think that would be thee: Don't you have a cyber-version of Tom Dooley to work on?

I note you do not deny our brotherhood while denying your own tacit admission in the post to _FAN. Pity.

Nothing quite so fun I fear. Only interesting work right now is a sub contract on a film about celestial discovery work done by NASA in the last 5 years.

[perezoso]

The beats could write sometimes: I read On the Road, Dharma Bums and Howl, etc. years ago; did anyone else around here read 'em?: Kerouac though too subjective for moi did write some effective sections, especially when his attention was directed outwards. Ginsburg whatever his failings ( and he did have some) could do the Whitmanesque thing--so if you have read say Song of Myself wiht appeciation (dangerous) then you might appreciate Ginsburg....beats were arrogant and too irrational,,,anyways finish SOng of Myself and then read Howl and see what ya think dearies

[beat_fan]

perezoso, are you implying that pound killed poetry?
I've read a few of his pieces, and don't particularly mind them. he certainly had an ear for dialect.