A question for yous

Go ahead. Talk about it.
Post Reply
User avatar
sooZen
Posts: 1441
Joined: August 20th, 2004, 10:21 pm
Location: phar lepht in Tejas
Contact:

A question for yous

Post by sooZen » May 6th, 2008, 9:24 pm

well, since I pretty blew off today and didn't get a whole lot of what I needed to get done, done, I guess I'll stick to it and do a whole lot more of this pissing off my day and ask you guys a question that I ponder occasionally on days I am pondering... :lol:

I started thinking about this because of my nature to poke my advice in other people's faces whether they asked for it or not. A flaw, probably but it's never stopped me, except to wonder about it and why I do it.

It got to me to thinking (don't fret, be patient...I will get to the question eventually) about our Elders, our mentors, our wise advisor's and who they are. Unfortunately, a lack of mentorship in our youth with the Tribal Elders showing the way is what I believe and see as the basis of our troubled society. Respect is gone. The youth (pardon the expression) don't realize nor do 'we' tell them that the frontal lobes of our brains that determine impulsive behaviors and decisions is not fully developed until the late twenties or early thirties. Until then, 'we' are not playing with a full deck so we NEED absolutely mentors and mentoring.

So, the question(s) is this: Who are your mentors, do you have somebodies that you look to for advice or instructions? Where do you find them, did they find you...stuff like that. Truth is, I have an answer(s) for I have advisors and sages and mentors. Do you?

Oh, and thanks for reading this far and pondering along with me. :D
Freedom's just another word...



http://soozen.livejournal.com/

User avatar
gypsyjoker
Posts: 1458
Joined: May 26th, 2005, 9:01 am
Location: stilltrucking's vanity
Contact:

Post by gypsyjoker » May 6th, 2008, 9:53 pm

Different stages of my life, different ages I guess I should say

One person who had a huge impact on my life was a research chemist.
Not sure if the fact that he was a Hindu is relevant but he was.
He was so different from the people I knew who were mainly jews.

He came a long at a time in my life when I needed to escape from constant suicidal thoughts. I was seeing a pyschiatrist at the time, this was after the death of my father and I could not get to sleep at night with out putting a imaginary shot gun to my chin and imagine my finger on the trigger. I never pulled the trigger in my mind. But I sought professional help. (something the staff at litkicks told me to to do long ago)

What helped me more than the psychiatrist was my boss, he took a job about seven hundred miles away and asked me to come with him.

Leaving my family for a year was good medicine. The thoughts left me.

He was a very cool dude, a double Phd, one from Edenburg in Scotland and one from Lucknow in India..


Maybe I imagined myself a guru, he was just so cool to hang out with and the job was a blast, and I took flying lessons, made love to a woman for the first time. It was a very good year. But the past caught up to me, and I returned to Baltimore.


I am supposing you mean real people Sooze, if you include metaphorical silicon strangers on the internet, I suppose judih would be my first one, but you were not far behind. And that big galoot of yours, that bad old man. Amazing that after all these years yabyum just noticed that side of him.
Wireman, yes yes
ah
Clay my style guru
he reads over my shoulder.

And all those high school kids we watched grow up and graduate college in the last nine years (I think it was 1999 we all met but those LK archives only go back to 2001.

Hope I gave you a relevant answer
I could list every one here and on LK as mentors I think.
D is a mentor, cause she calls me out when she don't get me. That is so helpful to me. I have often pondered aspergers syndrome, but I am a hypochondriac always interested in the brain's malfunctions.

TMI?
spontaneous gibberish probably but
I am editing typos on the fly
Free Rice
Avatar Courtesy of the Baron de Hirsch Fund

'Blessed is he who was not born, Or he, who having been born, has died. But as for us who live, woe unto us, Because we see the afflictions of Zion, And what has befallen Jerusalem." Pseudepigrapha

westcoast
Posts: 798
Joined: March 8th, 2008, 5:53 pm

Post by westcoast » May 6th, 2008, 10:04 pm

this is such a good and timely question SooZen as i am at a tough place and perhaps a crossroads in my life. i can't think of a single mentor and there has to be some. but someone with HUGE impact in my life in a good and positive way. no.... i can't think of a person.

what comes to mind, and what has sustained me in much isolation and loneliness is that force within life that keeps us keeping on despite the hardship(s). the kindness of strangers, the serendipitous and fortuitous and good luck that comes when we most need it. all the free stuff like air, water, the sun and moon. the beautiful colors of the world. the animating forces of art, music, a stranger's smile, laughter on the breeze, the sound of a lawnmower and scent of fresh cut grass.

ahhh, okay, when it comes to people, the few mentors i think of often didn't know i found great inspiration, guidance and solace from their presence in this world. some of them rebuffed me when i let them know of the significance.

writers and poets are sources of constant guidance and renewal for me, including those at this site.

i will continue to ponder your question....

~westcoast

User avatar
gypsyjoker
Posts: 1458
Joined: May 26th, 2005, 9:01 am
Location: stilltrucking's vanity
Contact:

Post by gypsyjoker » May 6th, 2008, 10:27 pm

SooZen are we talking flesh and blood people here, or is it okay to mention people you never met in the flesh? As in cyber pals
books, poems, music, art etc?

Religious figures long dead?



George Fox a mentor, got to admire that Friend. any body the CIA was running a file on during the Viet Nam war who had been dead for three hundred years is a hero to me. Is a mentor and a hero the same? Probably not.
Free Rice
Avatar Courtesy of the Baron de Hirsch Fund

'Blessed is he who was not born, Or he, who having been born, has died. But as for us who live, woe unto us, Because we see the afflictions of Zion, And what has befallen Jerusalem." Pseudepigrapha

User avatar
Lightning Rod
Posts: 5211
Joined: August 15th, 2004, 6:57 pm
Location: between my ears
Contact:

Post by Lightning Rod » May 6th, 2008, 10:35 pm

jack, if I'm your style guru, then you are in deep trouble

my mentors are many
my grandfathers, who taught me to be a gentleman.
There was Pinto Beene, my best friend in childhood who taught me that a skinny kid can do almost anything with enough ingenuity and mischief.
There was Mrs. Tandy, my highschool journalism teacher. She taught me to have confidence in my writing.
Alan Watts taught me that no matter how brilliant you are, you can't take yourself too seriously and you owe your existence to others.
Red Garland taught me how to be generous in the rough and tumble world of jazz.
Jaco Pastorias taught me that you can learn technique but you can't learn attitude.
I have too many mentors to count.
"These words don't make me a poet, these Eyes make me a poet."

The Poet's Eye

westcoast
Posts: 798
Joined: March 8th, 2008, 5:53 pm

Post by westcoast » May 6th, 2008, 10:36 pm

you LRod are a lucky man :)

~westie

User avatar
gypsyjoker
Posts: 1458
Joined: May 26th, 2005, 9:01 am
Location: stilltrucking's vanity
Contact:

Post by gypsyjoker » May 6th, 2008, 10:48 pm

Clay wrote:
jack, if I'm your style guru, then you are in deep trouble
Urine more trouble than me bro
If anyone reads that and looks at my writing and thinks you had anything to do with it.

I can understand why you would not want your impeccable style associated with this scribbling of mine.

It would be ten times worse if I did not think about you when I edit sometimes.

Yes teachers
Mr Waskow history
Instilled a love for American History
Ms Reese math, I love math but I was so lazy, she had such a fine sense of humor, I still did well. But dam I wish i had taken the calculus. But I copped out on that in college.
Dr McCall classic Greek and Latin writers.
Man when I finally got to read the birth of tragedy from the spirit of music I had the background to enjoy it.
And my French professor whose name I forgot
Instilled my love for Camus,

You are a gentleman Clay, a gentle man.
Free Rice
Avatar Courtesy of the Baron de Hirsch Fund

'Blessed is he who was not born, Or he, who having been born, has died. But as for us who live, woe unto us, Because we see the afflictions of Zion, And what has befallen Jerusalem." Pseudepigrapha

User avatar
Lightning Rod
Posts: 5211
Joined: August 15th, 2004, 6:57 pm
Location: between my ears
Contact:

Post by Lightning Rod » May 6th, 2008, 11:15 pm

the relationship between a mentor and a protege is a very special one
both have to agree with the notion that there is learning going on
'when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive.' is a very apt statement
I have both students and teachers
'What do you teach, Lightning Rod?' someone asked me one time
My unhesitant reply was, "Bad habits."
"These words don't make me a poet, these Eyes make me a poet."

The Poet's Eye

User avatar
gypsyjoker
Posts: 1458
Joined: May 26th, 2005, 9:01 am
Location: stilltrucking's vanity
Contact:

Post by gypsyjoker » May 6th, 2008, 11:28 pm

feral used to say he enjoyed being a bad example.

Thinking about my bad habits, seems like I am an autodidact when it comes to bad habits. Never needed a mentor.

Force of habit, I alway liked that phrase, rolls so nicely of a glib tongue like mine.
Free Rice
Avatar Courtesy of the Baron de Hirsch Fund

'Blessed is he who was not born, Or he, who having been born, has died. But as for us who live, woe unto us, Because we see the afflictions of Zion, And what has befallen Jerusalem." Pseudepigrapha

User avatar
WIREMAN
Posts: 7576
Joined: August 15th, 2004, 7:52 pm
Location: Frederick, Md.
Contact:

Post by WIREMAN » May 7th, 2008, 12:10 am

it all starts with jumpin' jack coburn
he taught me to give it all you got
and to swing to the waltz (golf swing)
guitarist jeff aug who got me into the puter world
and on the road with my wireman performance show
"think BIG"
jack durham who kept me working for 36 years
'let it go!" brush yerself off and get back on the horse
henry miller....never met him, but he lit my fire
lady day who soothed me as a child....thanks mom
the youth of fredrock md. who made my hair start growing again
Elyse Harrison for believing in my wire sculptures
jamie wilson who believed in my words and music enough to
finance a cd project
carole jean for polishing the edges
damn i could go on and on and on
judih
D
ST
LRod
cecil
sooz
jimbo
all of you cybernauts
i love ya's

User avatar
gypsyjoker
Posts: 1458
Joined: May 26th, 2005, 9:01 am
Location: stilltrucking's vanity
Contact:

Post by gypsyjoker » May 7th, 2008, 2:05 am

ten four
on jimbo
for me
showed me he way through despair
no buddha on the road
no need to kill jimbo
he of the compassionate bee hive heart dripping honey
Free Rice
Avatar Courtesy of the Baron de Hirsch Fund

'Blessed is he who was not born, Or he, who having been born, has died. But as for us who live, woe unto us, Because we see the afflictions of Zion, And what has befallen Jerusalem." Pseudepigrapha

User avatar
Arcadia
Posts: 7964
Joined: August 22nd, 2004, 6:20 pm
Location: Rosario

Post by Arcadia » May 7th, 2008, 1:39 pm

let´s say first that I´m not an easy person to mentor :roll: and that around me (in my family & friends) is the opposite... the elder ones seek mentoring in me & the more younger than them most of the time... sometimes was/is not fun. But friends are great listeners, great potential and surprising mentors. In the job I´m one of the eldest :lol: ... Even though when I most need it I recived (always momentary, punctual) mentoring from someone, not necessarily someone very close or near myself, not necessarily elder than me. Sometimes is weird but beautiful. Thinking more, I could call non-directive mentors to my grandparents (specially my grandmothers) and some of my uncles and aunts when I was a kid and still now , why not, even when some of them they are not phisically around.
Life & death in general and in particular. Including art, yeah!
You all here, in some way or another, too!!!! :D

User avatar
bennie2
Posts: 483
Joined: May 26th, 2007, 8:57 pm
Location: Scotland

Post by bennie2 » May 7th, 2008, 2:05 pm

i can't think of any. I think fondly of a primary school teacher I had but I wouldn't call her a mentor or inspiration. she just had big eyes and could play piano. she didn't play piano with her eyes though. that would be weird.

I'm un instructed.

YABYUM
Posts: 671
Joined: August 30th, 2004, 7:35 pm
Location: in love
Contact:

...

Post by YABYUM » May 8th, 2008, 7:38 am

great question.

13 years on the road. so many people. no family. no one who cared. so much self inflicted gutter sleep.

my mentor has been all of them. those fuckin souls met along a long winding road.

i think of so many women. christ, i could cry. so many great women.
took me in and did try their best to tame.

my answer, soozen, is the women.

god o god the women.

and all the dudes who i came to blows with.

the women.
the women.

they made me realize. they made me real lies. they made me real eyes.

all the girls inspired and kept me aware to do it my way.
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lXVSnGkuibU&hl ... ram><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lXVSnGkuibU&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
http://frombeerstobabies.blogspot.com/

User avatar
sooZen
Posts: 1441
Joined: August 20th, 2004, 10:21 pm
Location: phar lepht in Tejas
Contact:

Post by sooZen » May 8th, 2008, 1:13 pm

Wonderful answers! All of them, mentored or not. Since I posted this, I have given it a great deal of thought as to who my mentors, my advisers and my sages have been and are.

First, I must credit my most incredible parents Alma and Bob also known as Sugar and Spicey in clown garb. My Dad was the most positive person I have ever known, bar none. Things would always work out as they should was his motto, learn from your mistakes, enjoy life and make music. My Mom was the pragmatist but she taught me manners, a love of nature (she was a bird whisperer) and 'learned' me about the value of thrift. Both of them were honest and outspoken and never afraid of the truth.

My grandparents Roy and Hettie, he taught me how to get pecans out of the top branches of the trees, how to ride (he gave me my first steed, Dandy) and she was crafty and taught me how to make something outta nada.

My mate and best friend Cecil who was the best man at my brief first marriage (no kidding.) He showed me the world beyond my protected childhood...expanded my horizons, gave me his all and showed me that there was such a thing as love without conditions. I couldn't begin to tell you the gifts he gave me but a few are a love of zen and what that entailed, haiku and Basho and Reps, the Shambala and City Lights book stores, a love of gardening, art and design and poetry, he shared it all and I am still learning from him each and every day.

There are influences that guide me such as Tarot and Astrology (here's a grain of salt) but I have learned much about myself from these things and it is a personal experience from 38 years of study.
Naw, I will not try to convince anyone of my 'belief' but it works for me.

Other influences, people I have never met but admire have been gurus: Jane Goodall, Paul Reps, Osho, Molly Ivins, Lincoln Karim (photographer, documenter, protector of the red-tailed hawk Pale Male) and others I'm sure, that don't come to mind right now.

I think we either are here to learn or to teach...I am still doing both, thanks to a long list of influences.
Freedom's just another word...



http://soozen.livejournal.com/

Post Reply

Return to “General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests